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Children and Families Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 18 November 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage eleventh day. Clauses 76 to 88 agreed to. New clause under consideration when the Committee adjourned.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

749 cc295-370GC 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Children and Families Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 12 June 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1883
Monday, 18 November 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1884
Monday, 18 November 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Brougham and Vaux | 749 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, welcome to the 11th day of Committee on the Children and Families Bill. The noble Baron...

Baroness Northover | 749 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the Chairman’s leave, I would like to remind everyone taking part in Committee pro...


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Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

Could I just clarify that? I think what has been agreed by the usual channels is that we will sit...

Baroness Northover | 749 c295GC (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the noble Baroness says and I am sure that the usual channels will also have heard wh...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 749 cc295-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to propose that Clause 76 should not stand part of the Bill. I have considerable...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 cc297-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on behalf of my noble friend Lady Jones and myself I oppose the proposition that Clause...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 749 c300GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may respond to the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes. Ofsted’s category of “needing improveme...

Baroness Walmsley | 749 c300GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, have considerable concerns about Clause 76, and my noble friend Lady Tyler expl...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 749 cc300-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, although I had not intended to speak on this section, I would like to raise one particu...

Baroness Northover | 749 cc301-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is an important debate about the role of English local authorities in securing ear...

Countess of Mar | 749 c302GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might ask the noble Baroness to check the dates she gave us for the consultation. It so...

Baroness Northover | 749 c302GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Countess is right. As I read that out, I was thinking, “My goodness, that is a long con...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 749 c303GC (Link to this contribution)

It may be my lack of understanding, but I think that the concern is not that the assessment is be...

Baroness Northover | 749 c303GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may answer the noble Countess, Lady Mar. The consultation went from November 2010 to Fe...

Baroness Northover | 749 c303GC (Link to this contribution)

I am very flattered. I will come back to the noble Countess in a moment very precisely on her poi...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 c303GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the noble Baroness will give way on a point of detail about the consultation. I understoo...

Baroness Northover | 749 c303GC (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the noble Baroness says. I have seen some of the responses and she rightly puts her f...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 c303GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for her clarification. I think there is agreement on that particula...

Baroness Northover | 749 cc304-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to go through some other comments, which may help address those matters. If I do not a...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 749 c306GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am very grateful to my noble friend the Minister for her very helpful responses and t...

Baroness Northover | 749 c307GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Northover

240R: After Clause 76, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Northover | 749 cc308-310GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Northover

241: After Clause 78, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 c310GC (Link to this contribution)

I would be grateful if the Minister could clarify the scope and impact of Amendments 241B, in par...

Baroness Northover | 749 c310GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Northover

241A: After Clause 78, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Northover | 749 cc310-1GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Northover

241B: After Clause 78, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Northover | 749 cc311-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I think that this is the amendment the noble Baroness was thinking about. I shall speak also to A...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 cc312-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister clarify a couple of points about the potential scope and impact of the amendmen...

Baroness Northover | 749 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

As the noble Baroness noted, these powers have been there but have not been used. I want to be ex...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister possibly write to me about this? I am particularly interested in proposed new su...

Baroness Northover | 749 c313GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the best thing would be for me to reiterate that the Secretary of State’s ability to remo...

Lord Nash | 749 c314GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

241BA: After Clause 78, insert the following new Clause—

“Di...

Lord Nash | 749 cc314-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to all the amendments in this group: Amendments 241BA, 241C, 241D, 273B an...

Earl of Listowel | 749 c315GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps the best way I can thank the Minister is by speaking as briefly as possible. Having worke...

Lord Nash | 749 cc315-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Nash

241C: After Clause 78, insert the following new Clause—

“Obj...

Earl of Listowel | 749 c317GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Listowel

242: After Clause 78, insert the following new Clause—<...

Earl of Listowel | 749 cc317-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 242, I wish to speak also to my Amendment 244.

Amendment 242 ...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 749 cc318-320GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendments 247 to 249 in our names. In doing so, I would like to suppor...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 749 cc320-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 242 and 244 in the name of the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, but ask ...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 749 cc321-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 242, to which my name is attached. The noble Earl, Lord Listowel, h...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 749 c322GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for addressing my noble friend Lady Jones as my noble friend Lady Hughes throughout m...

Baroness Northover | 749 cc322-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we all merge into one after a while. I start by emphasising to noble Lords that the Gov...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 749 c323GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister say a little more about the Jo Swinson task-and-finish group? I understand that...

Baroness Northover | 749 c323GC (Link to this contribution)

I think it would be best if I wrote to the noble Baroness with further details and copied the let...

Earl of Listowel | 749 cc323-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who took part in this debate. I particularly thank the Minister...

Baroness Walmsley | 749 c325GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Walmsley

243: After Clause 78, insert the following new Clause—

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Baroness Walmsley | 749 cc325-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 246, which I have agreed should be grouped with Amendme...

Baroness Brinton | 749 cc326-330GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the permission of the Grand Committee, I will speak sitting down. I declare an int...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 749 cc330-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am going to find myself in the difficult position of disagreeing absolutely with the ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 749 cc331-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 243 because it throws into the ring just how absurd this situation ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 749 c332GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak very briefly in support of Amendment 246.

I cannot see any justifica...

Lord Storey | 749 c332GC (Link to this contribution)

I will speak to Amendment 246, which I have also put my name to, and I thank my noble friend Baro...

Baroness Benjamin | 749 cc332-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, strongly support the amendments of my noble friend Lady Walmsley.

I will ...

Baroness Northover | 749 cc333-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments both relate to safeguarding specific groups of children. I will turn f...

Lord Storey | 749 c336GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand the point my noble friend makes about the reluctance of parents to report abuses. Do...

Baroness Northover | 749 c336GC (Link to this contribution)

As I mentioned, this is a voluntary code. We are developing it and taking it forward. I am well a...

Baroness Walmsley | 749 cc336-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her comprehensive reply to all noble Lords who have spoken in the debate...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 749 c337GC (Link to this contribution)

That is absolutely right, but it is not the law that will change what is happening; it is having ...

Baroness Walmsley | 749 c337GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her additional comments. I am not saying that training is not a go...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 749 c338GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Massey of Darwen

245: After Clause 78, insert the following new Cla...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 749 cc338-340GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 245, I will speak to Amendments 257 and 260 in this group and kick ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 749 cc340-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to speak to Amendment 262, which has my name on it. I am speaking on behalf of t...

Lord Ramsbotham | 749 cc342-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 245 in particular. In doing so, I hope that the Committee will allo...

Countess of Mar | 749 c343GC (Link to this contribution)

I support the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, in his contention. We have a Minister for Children, an...

Baroness Walmsley | 749 cc343-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not speak in detail about the amendments but I should like to express my general...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 749 c344GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be reasonably brief on the three amendments to which I have added my name, altho...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 749 cc344-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have also put my name to three amendments and support the others in this group. It is...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 cc345-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have heard some very powerful arguments in favour of strengthening the process of ap...

Viscount Eccles | 749 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be leading on another group of amendments and will try not to duplicate anything...

Lord Nash | 749 cc347-350GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 245, 255A and 257 through to 262 deal with issues related to the Children’s ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 749 c349GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to interrupt but perhaps the Minister can say what he considers to be the appropriate ...

Lord Nash | 749 c349GC (Link to this contribution)

We will provide an update on Report but the appropriate time is after Royal Assent.

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 749 c349GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but the point is that the devil is in the detail, as I said, and Report, or possibly T...

Lord Nash | 749 c349GC (Link to this contribution)

We will take this away and consider it further. As regards the point made by the noble Baroness, ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 749 cc349-351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that response. This has been an incredibly perceptive debate a...

Viscount Eccles | 749 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Eccles

249A: Clause 79, page 52, line 11, leave out from “promoting...

Viscount Eccles | 749 cc351-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to continue to probe the question: what is the Government’s true opinion o...

Baroness Walmsley | 749 cc352-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have some amendments in this group, but before I speak to them, I will say a word abo...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 749 c355GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 252 in a group of amendments that are largely designed to str...

Viscount Eccles | 749 c355GC (Link to this contribution)

Nothing in the 2004 Act would prevent the commissioner saying anything that she wants to say, or ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 749 cc355-7GC (Link to this contribution)

But because it was not an explicitly children’s rights-based institution, it did not have the sta...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 749 cc356-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in this varied and lengthy group, I want to focus on Amendment 266A, although I support...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 749 cc358-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 251. It would allow the Children’s Commissioner to conduct a...

Viscount Eccles | 749 c359GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a third amendment in this group, to Schedule 6 and on a very different subject. ...

Lord Nash | 749 cc359-363GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 249A to 256, 266A and 266AZZA.

Amendment 249A was tab...

Lord Mawson | 749 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have not been able to sit through the passage of this Bill, so I am not in a position...

Lord Nash | 749 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

I will write to the noble Lord on this matter.

Viscount Eccles | 749 c360GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all those who took part and to the Minister for his reply. At the risk...

Baroness Northover | 749 c364GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have been given permission to go on until 8 pm, as I announced at the beginning of t...

Lord Haskel | 749 c365GC (Link to this contribution)

I have to remind your Lordships that the usual channels have agreed that the next two groups will...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 749 c365GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff

263: After Clause 88, insert the following new C...

Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 749 cc365-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be as brief as I can, and my noble friend—as I must say for the purposes of thes...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 749 cc366-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it will not escape the Committee’s notice that Amendments 263 and 264 are cross-party a...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 749 cc367-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I know that other noble Lords want to speak, but perhaps because my noble friend and I ...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 749 cc368-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to Amendments 263 and 264. I want briefly to say why I feel so stro...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 749 cc369-370GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is on Amendment 263 and I shall be very brief indeed. We have just been discuss...

Lord Ribeiro | 749 c370GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hear my name mentioned and I think I ought to say something very briefly. Your Lordsh...

Baroness Northover | 749 c370GC (Link to this contribution)

My words in front of me say that this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn. I ...

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