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Children and Families Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 16 October 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage third day. New clauses (Lords amendments 40, and 42 to 44) debated and withdrawn. Clauses 10 and 11 debated and agreed. Committee adjourned.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

748 cc227-284GC 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Children and Families Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 12 June 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Legislative Scrutiny: Children and Families Bill; Energy Bill. Human Rights Joint Committee third report with formal minutes and written evidence.
Tuesday, 18 June 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee seventh report.
Wednesday, 24 July 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Ninth Report.
Wednesday, 9 October 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Colwyn | 748 c227GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn ...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c227GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch

40: After Clause 9, insert the following new Cl...


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Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 cc227-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 40 focuses on the impact of the underoccupancy charge on would-be adopters, s...

Lord Nash | 748 c228GC (Link to this contribution)

I understand that the purpose of this amendment is to ask us to conduct this review. As I know th...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c228GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that clarification. I was coming to that point. The clarification I was ...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c228GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am most grateful to the mover of this amendment but also to the Minister for this ver...

Lord Wigley | 748 c229GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will intervene very briefly if I may. Whereas Part 1 of the Bill largely did not appl...

Lord Nash | 748 cc229-230GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I should like to reassure noble Lords that the Government are committed to helping peop...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c230GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for the information that he has given about the fact that there wi...

Lord McColl of Dulwich | 748 cc230-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord McColl of Dulwich)

42: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—...

Lord McColl of Dulwich | 748 cc232-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, human trafficking is a brutal and shocking business. Trafficked people are modern-day s...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc236-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we are all aware of the passionate concern of the noble Lord, Lord McColl, for victims ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc237-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I intended to put my name to this amendment but failed to do so. I have supported each ...

Baroness Lister of Burtersett | 748 c238GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord McColl, made a very powerful case and referred to the Joint Commit...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c238GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I recall the noble Lord’s Private Member’s Bill, his previous amendment and so on. I re...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree with the comments of the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, as a volunteer who has wo...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

Thank you so much. That is extraordinary. I do apologise.

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Earl is too young, much too young.

Earl of Listowel | 748 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

I re-emphasise the point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, that there needs to be training...

Baroness Benjamin | 748 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. Anything we can do to make young people feel worthy is ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 748 c240GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I cannot think of anybody in this room who would not be in favour of the amendment move...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 c240GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to delay proceedings further. I want to say a couple of sentences. First, I thank the ...

Baroness Northover | 748 cc240-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we share the concerns of my noble friend Lord McColl for the victims of the terrible cr...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 c242GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may ask two questions. First, I cannot accept that a guardian or advocate would add an ...

Baroness Northover | 748 c242GC (Link to this contribution)

I heard what noble Lords said about feeling that the guardian would cut through those layers; my ...

Lord McColl of Dulwich | 748 cc242-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister very much for her very careful speech, and I am reassured that she is going ...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 c243GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Howarth of Breckland

43: After Clause 9, insert the following new C...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 cc243-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 43 concerns another very specific group of children—those who are privately f...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc244-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to ask a brief question of the Minister, related to this matter. My noble friend...

Countess of Mar | 748 c245GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Howarth of Breckland. For many years, I was a lay member...

Baroness Northover | 748 cc245-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, here we are addressing another group of potentially vulnerable children, as the noble B...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 c246GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the noble Baroness’s full reply. The only point that I would pick up ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc247-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Massey of Darwen

44: After Clause 9, insert the following new Claus...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc248-250GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my amendments in this group address the issue of kinship care. Amendment 44 concerns:

Lord Geddes | 748 c250GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with apologies to the noble Baroness, a Division has been called in the Chamber. The Gr...

Lord Geddes | 748 c250GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it is now 5.12 pm. I apologise again to the noble Baroness for interrupting her mid-flo...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc250-2GC (Link to this contribution)

It was quite a welcome break in this long speech. I am moving Amendment 44 and speaking to Amendm...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc252-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support these two amendments. I am either patron or president of the Grandparents’ As...

Lord Northbourne | 748 c253GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, and my noble and learned friend Lady Butler-...

Baroness Drake | 748 cc253-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Massey’s amendments because it is worth restating that w...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc255-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise briefly to support these amendments and to make three points. First, above all, children w...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 748 cc256-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wanted to speak briefly in support of these amendments. My noble friend Lady Massey h...

Baroness Northover | 748 cc257-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, for her amendments, which cover support and se...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for her response. The case has been made by all the speakers, and I thank th...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Butler-Sloss

46: Clause 10, page 9, line 23, leave out “mediation”<...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc259-260GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 47 to 52. Despite the number of amendments, this is ab...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 cc260-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have Amendments 47, 50 and 52 in this group. I have listened carefully to what the n...

Lord Wigley | 748 c262GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 50 and 52, tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes of Str...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 cc262-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to a number of these amendments. I would like to raise some issues ...

Lord McColl of Dulwich | 748 c263GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. We need to take notice of what the noble and learned Baroness...

Lord McNally | 748 cc263-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, when Rupert Murdoch appeared before a committee down the corridor, he said it was the h...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before the noble and learned Baroness responds, as I understand it her amendments are n...

Lord McNally | 748 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

That is the very interesting nature of this debate—whether removing the term will mean that it is...

Lord Geddes | 748 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with great respect to the noble Lord, a Division has been called in the Chamber. The Gr...

Lord McNally | 748 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, before I was so rudely interrupted, I was about to prompt withdrawal of the amendment b...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 cc266-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I apologise but just before the Division Bell rang the Minister talked about knowing what was on ...

Lord McNally | 748 c267GC (Link to this contribution)

My approach to this Committee is that I genuinely do listen and take back its findings not only t...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc267-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I say to the Minister that I am perfectly prepared to be wrong; I often am. However, I ...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 c268GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hughes of Stretford

53: Clause 11, page 10, line 15, leave out subs...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 cc268-271GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 11 would require a court, in considering arrangements to promote a child’s futur...

Lord Haskel | 748 c270GC (Link to this contribution)

If Amendment 53 is agreed, I cannot call Amendments 54 and 55 because of pre-emption.

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc270-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I assume that I am allowed to speak to Amendment 54. I agree with, particularly, Amendment 55. It...

Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 748 cc273-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to speak to Amendments 54 and 55. I have a lot of sympathy with both of ...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc275-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I support my noble and learned friend’s amendment and that of the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes. Li...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 cc276-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to intervene briefly to say two things. All this is about perception as against ...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c277GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble and learned Baroness says that the judges would cope with Section 1 of the 19...

Baroness Meacher | 748 cc277-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise with some trepidation to speak very briefly to Amendments 54 and 55. I welcome t...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 748 c279GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to say a word or two about this problem because I had the responsibility, ...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 748 cc279-280GC (Link to this contribution)

I was simply making the fundamental point that adherence to the paramountcy of the welfare of the...

Baroness Meacher | 748 c280GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble and learned Lord referred to the clause possibly generating parental attempts to downgr...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 748 c280GC (Link to this contribution)

It is the job of the judge to do his or her best to lower that. As I say, it is some time since I...

Lord Northbourne | 748 c280GC (Link to this contribution)

I seek guidance on one small issue. It is probably very stupid of me not to know about this but I...

Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 748 c281GC (Link to this contribution)

If that is addressed to me, the answer is certainly yes. I have a distinct recollection of a case...

Lord McNally | 748 cc281-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an extremely important and high-quality debate. I am not a lawyer but I h...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 cc283-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, whatever I do, I hope that I will do it gracefully. We have had an excellent debate bec...

Baroness Northover | 748 c284GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.

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