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Children and Families Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 14 October 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage second day. Clauses 7-9 and Schedule 1 agreed to. Committee adjourned.

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748 cc129-194GC 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Children and Families Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 12 June 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee seventh report.
Wednesday, 24 July 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Ninth Report.
Wednesday, 9 October 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Bichard | 748 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

Welcome. If there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn a...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c129GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Listowel

26: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause—


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Earl of Listowel | 748 cc129-131GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 26 is in my name and that of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey of Darwen. Our two amendme...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc131-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 26 and 29, in my name and that of the noble Earl, Lord Listowel. I...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 c133GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak only briefly to the amendment because I presume that the Minister’s respo...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c133GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what the noble Baroness has just said about special guardianship. It is a par...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 748 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, sadly, I was not able to go to the gathering of young people. However, what one has see...

Baroness Walmsley | 748 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I make the point that if you want to know what a child needs, you should ask the child....

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is Committee: I was rather carried away by reading the notes and I meant to ask th...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c134GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness. She makes a very good point and I shall look at that. We are trying t...

Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 748 cc134-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to intervene briefly. We know that many children want to maintain contact with t...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 cc135-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, briefly, I particularly support the points made by the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth, in...

Viscount Eccles | 748 c136GC (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes, will tackle the question that she has just refe...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 c136GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, no doubt the Minister will enlighten us but what I am saying is that where local author...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 c136GC (Link to this contribution)

I shall comment briefly on what the noble Viscount said. One of the main issues is that the child...

Baroness Northover | 748 c136GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, noble Lords have highlighted some key areas on support of children, particularly those ...

Lord Northbourne | 748 c136GC (Link to this contribution)

I confess to being one of those who finds it difficult.

Baroness Northover | 748 cc136-8GC (Link to this contribution)

Okay, I shall shout loudly.

I shall speak first to Amendments 26 and 29 on the issue of ass...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c137GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her very careful reply. It is very welcome that the expert gro...

Baroness Northover | 748 c137GC (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to write to the noble Earl, and to copy it to other noble Lords who have contributed t...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister and I also thank my noble friend Lady Massey of Darwen for her elo...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c139GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Listowel

27: After Clause 6, insert the following new Clause—

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc139-142GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 28 standing in my name. Both amendments relate to advoc...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 748 cc142-3GC (Link to this contribution)

Amendment 65A seeks to appeal restrictions to Section 8 orders for children in local authority ca...

Lord Nash | 748 cc143-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in responding to Amendments 27 and 28, I pay tribute to the long-running commitment of ...

Countess of Mar | 748 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I listened to the noble Lord very carefully. I note that the amendment of my noble frie...

Lord Nash | 748 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

I hear what the noble Countess, Lady Mar, says. They should be consulted and Ofsted should inspec...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 748 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his response to my amendment and I am delighted that he acknowledges the...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c145GC (Link to this contribution)

I also thank the Minister for his response. It seemed to me very sympathetic and reflected the ve...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 c147GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hughes of Stretford

32: Clause 7, page 5, line 30, at end insert—

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 cc147-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sure that Members of the Committee will recall that last week we debated the impor...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c148GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the amendment. As I think I said at our previous sitting, when I cha...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c148GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much agree with all that has been said. I remember being struck by the strength ...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c148GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would also like briefly to support the amendment and give an example of how passionat...

Baroness Perry of Southwark | 748 c148GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I ask the Minister: why is this not already happening? It seems crystal clear that at l...

Baroness Walmsley | 748 c149GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much agree. As we have talked about the last three groups of amendments, it has ...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 c149GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this very strongly. We should not have reached the position we have, but I ha...

Baroness Benjamin | 748 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment because as a child I was separated from my siblings for a whil...

Lord May of Oxford | 748 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

I turned up explicitly to support the amendment and am reassured that I need not have done. I hop...

Baroness Eaton | 748 c150GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, at the moment considerable consultation is taking place with local authorities on child...

Lord Nash | 748 cc150-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baronesses, Lady Hughes and Lady Jones, for raising this extremely im...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether the Minister could develop his argument and try to convince us. First, what was ...

Lord Nash | 748 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the noble Baroness’s further question. We consulted a number of experts, includ...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 748 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

I wonder whether I could pursue something that has been said. On the question of whether the chil...

Lord Nash | 748 c151GC (Link to this contribution)

It is something that we can ask the Children’s Commissioner to look at. We will talk to her about...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c152GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness does so, it occurs to me that the matter of staying put might be helpfu...

Lord Nash | 748 c152GC (Link to this contribution)

We will note the noble Earl’s question and feed it into the considerations to which I referred.

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 cc152-3GC (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank all colleagues who have contributed to this debate, because their contributions ad...

Baroness Young of Hornsey | 748 c153GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Young of Hornsey

33: After Clause 7, insert the following new Claus...

Baroness Young of Hornsey | 748 cc153-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by declaring an interest as someone who has had direct experience of the childc...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc156-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Young. This is a very impo...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc157-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise to strongly support the amendment moved by the noble Baroness and to speak to my Amendment...

Lord Northbourne | 748 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am not going to make a speech but I strongly support the noble Baroness, Lady Young. ...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 748 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 45, which has three parts.

Countess of Mar | 748 c159GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt the noble Baroness, but may I suggest that she does not move it...

Baroness Stedman-Scott | 748 cc159-161GC (Link to this contribution)

Thank you. This is the first time I have done this. Forgive me, I will start again.

I will ...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c160GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may briefly put on record my support for the amendments, in particular for that of the ...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 cc160-2GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may say something briefly, going back to the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Youn...

Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 748 c162GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Young, on her brilliant exposition of her amend...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc162-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I omitted to comment on the amendments of the noble Baroness, Lady Stedman-Scott. I sup...

Baroness Benjamin | 748 c163GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment of the noble Baroness, Lady Young. I would like to draw the Com...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 cc163-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we have had a good debate and I do not intend to talk at any length. However, I wish to...

Lord Nash | 748 cc164-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, so far as concerns accessing information for looked-after children and care leavers, I ...

Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 748 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Minister but a Division has been called in the Chamber, so the Commi...

Lord Nash | 748 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am pleased to inform noble Lords that the department is also funding Catch22 to deliv...

Lord Northbourne | 748 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord has said many times that local authorities should do this, that and the ...

Lord Nash | 748 c166GC (Link to this contribution)

If the local authority has a poor Ofsted inspection on this matter, we can and will intervene. Th...

Baroness Young of Hornsey | 748 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I start by thanking the Minister for his response and for his offer for me to meet with...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c167GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Hamwee

34: Clause 8, page 6, line 44, at end insert—

“( ) the...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 cc167-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Clause 8 is also about contact: contact post-adoption. Subsection (5) sets out the poin...

Baroness Walmsley | 748 c168GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am happy to support my noble friend Lady Hamwee’s amendment, because it is never a ba...

Baroness Northover | 748 c168GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that I can reassure my noble friends Lady Hamwee and Lady Walmsley on this point...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c168GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend. I agree that contact is important and frequently bene...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 c169GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Massey of Darwen

35: Clause 9, page 9, line 15, at end insert “and ...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 cc169-170GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendment 37 in my name. Amendment 35 is about the effectiveness ...

Lord Touhig | 748 cc170-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support my noble friend Lady Massey’s Amendments 35 and 37. I will also speak to Amen...

Baroness Morris of Yardley | 748 cc171-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendments in this group—in particular my noble friend Lord Touhig’s amen...

Lord Nash | 748 cc172-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted by the cross-party support which Clause 9 has attracted. In spite of the...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have contributed to this short debate, and the Minister for...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c174GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

The Earl of Listowel

38: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc174-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment would allow young people in care to remain with their foster carers unti...

Baroness Young of Hornsey | 748 cc177-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support this amendment. As I said earlier, it is part of a suite of amendmen...

Lord Storey | 748 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support what the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, has said. I remember him stalking in the ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c178GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. It is so obviously a good idea. I have a suspicion that ...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 cc178-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the meeting arranged by the noble Earl brought a number of comments about Staying Put. ...

Baroness Walmsley | 748 cc179-180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, have my name on the amendment and support it wholeheartedly. The noble Earl, in...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 c180GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support this amendment. I have heard the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, talk...

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 cc180-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not repeat all the arguments that have been made, but of course, I want to suppo...

Lord Ponsonby of Shulbrede | 748 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this important amendment, which I knew was coming up today. I was sitting as ...

Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 748 c181GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Young, made a point about the age of 21. Noble Lords are shari...

Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 748 c182GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not want to delay the Committee but I want to make a few quick comments in support...

Lord Nash | 748 cc182-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome the opportunity to debate the important subject of how local authorities supp...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his reply. Before thanking colleagues, perhaps I may put a few questions...

Lord Nash | 748 c184GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the noble Earl for his further questions. We expect to see an increase to 10% in...

Earl of Listowel | 748 cc184-5GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. I thank all colleagues for their support for the amendment. It is heartenin...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c185GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Butler-Sloss

39: After Clause 9, insert the following new Clause—

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc185-7GC (Link to this contribution)

This amendment deals with a totally different subject. There are three amendments in this group b...

Lord Northbourne | 748 cc187-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to reinforce, in a way, what the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, ...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

The local authority has the obligation under the 1989 Act to accommodate children, so there are n...

Lord Northbourne | 748 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

How are they supposed to pay for this?

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

They do it already. There is no difference. They have a requirement under the Act to accommodate....

Earl of Listowel | 748 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope it will be helpful to the Committee—

Earl of Listowel | 748 c188GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend may want to do the same thing.

Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 748 cc188-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I am asking that Amendment 43 be decoupled from this amendment because it deals with a quite diff...

Baroness Massey of Darwen | 748 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, an issue that is not directly relevant to this amendment, but which is akin to it, is t...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I advise the Committee that I wish to decouple my Amendment 234 from this grouping. I a...

Baroness Hamwee | 748 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have put my name to the amendment. I think that I could sum it up by saying that it w...

Lord Storey | 748 c189GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to explore this in a bit more detail. Perhaps the Minister, if he is not a...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c190GC (Link to this contribution)

I am reminded of the report by my noble friend Lord Laming on the death of Victoria Climbié. One ...

Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 748 cc190-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am extremely grateful to the noble and learned Baroness for tabling this amendment. W...

Baroness Northover | 748 cc191-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the noble and learned Baroness, Lady Butler-Sloss, for her tribute to th...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank all noble Lords for their contributions. Perhaps I should have said earlier that this was...

Baroness Northover | 748 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I should clarify my comments to the noble Earl, Lord Listowel. He suggested that local au...

Earl of Listowel | 748 c193GC (Link to this contribution)

Just to clarify my position, I was simply using that as an example: that occasionally local autho...

Baroness Butler-Sloss | 748 cc193-4GC (Link to this contribution)

I am talking about a very specific group of children. Some trafficked children may seek asylum, b...

Subjects

Children
Adoption
Families

Legislation

Children and Families Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14

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