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Energy Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 16 July 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (fifth day). Amendments debated and withdrawn. Clauses 47-51 and Schedule 4 and 5 agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

747 cc221-282GC 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Energy Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 5 June 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1315
Wednesday, 17 July 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Oxburgh | 747 c221GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Oxburgh

51B: After Clause 136, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Oxburgh | 747 cc221-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I think we can all agree that our energy system is a vital part of our infrastructure. ...


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Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 cc223-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, who moved his amendment with great clarity and force, has...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 747 cc225-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment. I will not repeat the much more eloquently phrased words of m...

Lord Crickhowell | 747 cc226-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this is the first occasion on which I have spoken on this Bill, although during the Que...

Lord Deben | 747 cc228-230GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to the Committee for missing the first couple of sentences of the introduce...

Lord Teverson | 747 c230GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I must first apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, for also having arrived a minut...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 747 c230GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may remind the noble Lord of the regional advisory committees. Certainly, the North Sea...

Lord Teverson | 747 c231GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but I did not quite hear that.

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 747 c231GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord was talking about the common fisheries policy. The North Sea regional advisory com...

Lord Teverson | 747 cc231-2GC (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree that there are places for advisory boards. There are examples of where that wo...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 c232GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Lord sits down, I am not clear from what he said whether or not thinks there is ...

Lord Teverson | 747 c232GC (Link to this contribution)

No, absolutely. First, this will not solve the problem that we have. There is not time to solve t...

Lord Roper | 747 c232GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend knows that I do not agree with all the views that he has just put forwa...

Lord Dixon-Smith | 747 c233GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not take very long. I do not have the remotest idea what the Minister is going t...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 747 cc233-4GC (Link to this contribution)

As I was so impressed by the speech of the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, on this issue at Second Read...

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc234-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, for tabling this amendment and to the ot...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc237-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, thank the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, and all noble Lords who have spoken to the ...

Lord Crickhowell | 747 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

With great respect, I do not believe that I said anything of the kind. However, I will read the t...

Baroness Verma | 747 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

I stand corrected by my noble friend. I would, however, reassure my noble friend that decisions o...

Lord Crickhowell | 747 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

That was the point that I dealt with in my speech, based on my own experience. I was going to int...

Baroness Verma | 747 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if I choose to slightly disagree with my noble friend, that is perhaps a position that ...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

It is just a small point, which is that part of the problem is the plethora of advisory boards. P...

Baroness Verma | 747 c239GC (Link to this contribution)

The important thing is that noble Lords know how the governance of existing structures works as a...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 c240GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I add my thanks to all who have taken part in this debate. I shall reply very briefly i...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 c240GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Oxburgh

51C: After Clause 136, insert the following new Clause—

G...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 cc240-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hope that we can deal with this amendment a little more expeditiously, and that it wi...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 cc242-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I was happy to add my name to the amendment. I see it more as a vehicle for promoting a...

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc243-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lords, Lord Oxburgh and Lord Jenkin, for tabling this amendm...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc244-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, and my noble friend Lord Jenkin for prom...

Earl of Caithness | 747 cc245-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I waited to intervene until I heard the Minister’s reply because this was a point raise...

Baroness Verma | 747 c246GC (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to my noble friend for allowing me to write to him and to the Committee, ...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 c246GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank noble Lords who have spoken on this. I am certainly gratified to hear from the ...

Lord Teverson | 747 cc246-7GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Teverson

51J: After Clause 136, insert the following new Clause—

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Lord Teverson | 747 cc247-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have a sense of déjà vu about this amendment. With every energy Bill in which I have ...

Lord Grantchester | 747 c248GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, is to be congratulated on his persistence in tabling ame...

Baroness Verma | 747 cc248-250GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as my noble friend Lord Teverson has said, he has a longstanding interest in geothermal...

Lord Teverson | 747 c250GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for that very positive response. There are two things that I would...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c250GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

51JA*: Clause 47, page 46, line 27, at end insert—

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Baroness Worthington | 747 cc250-1GC (Link to this contribution)

We are now discussing the part of the Bill that concerns the emissions performance standard. By w...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 c251GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I declare an interest as honorary president of the Carbon Capture and Storage Associati...

Lord Deben | 747 cc251-2GC (Link to this contribution)

The Committee on Climate Change has made it clear that CCS is an essential part of the matters th...

Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 747 c252GC (Link to this contribution)

It is comforting to know that the tweets are flowing. The trouble is that CCS has not yet been ma...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 cc252-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I say this with some hesitation and with great respect to the noble Lord who has just spoken. It ...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 747 c253GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the amendment. CCS is very important. While most of us here—I am happy to not...

Lord Deben | 747 c253GC (Link to this contribution)

Did the noble Lord notice today’s announcement by the Chinese that they were considerably upping ...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 747 c253GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Deben, for endorsing my point. I was going to say that, unfortunatel...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc253-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Worthington, for introducing this chapter of the Bill....

Baroness Worthington | 747 c255GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his encouraging response and for saying that he will take the amendment ...

Lord Teverson | 747 c255GC (Link to this contribution)

Before the noble Baroness does so, the Minister mentioned 2020 in terms of commercialisation. Giv...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c255GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank my noble friend. My understanding is that we may be working on this as early as 2015.

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Baroness Worthington | 747 c255GC (Link to this contribution)

I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.

Baroness Worthington | 747 c256GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

51JB: Clause 47, page 46, line 28, leave out “2044” and...

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc256-7GC (Link to this contribution)

This amendment would also amend the EPS regulations. The consultation document issued on the EPS ...

Lord Deben | 747 cc257-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank the Minister for his response to the previous debate, which was measured...

Lord Oxburgh | 747 c258GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support this amendment and the points made by the noble Lord, Lord Deben. It would be...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 747 cc258-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, support this amendment. I will not repeat all the arguments that I and others h...

Lord Teverson | 747 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, have great concern about the very late date here. It seems that this, perhaps i...

Lord Deben | 747 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

Does my noble friend find it rather curious that we are prepared to put a date 31 years from now ...

Lord Teverson | 747 c259GC (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, although we have the situation, as I understand it—my noble friend will be closer to this...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc259-260GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for tabling this amendment, which has prompted a fu...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 747 c260GC (Link to this contribution)

A gas power station produces emissions of 300 grams per kilowatt hour, coal 600 grams. Hence we h...

Lord Teverson | 747 c260GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps there is something I misunderstand here in the argument. This is not just about grandfath...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c260GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank noble Lords for their interventions. I think all will be revealed in due course.

I ...

Lord Deben | 747 cc260-1GC (Link to this contribution)

On that point, will my noble friend give way? I still do not understand the difference of view. T...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c261GC (Link to this contribution)

Let me quote the CBI, which is particularly supportive of the Bill’s proposals:

“The curren...

Lord Deben | 747 c261GC (Link to this contribution)

Most of the members of the CBI have also asked for that on the question of carbon intensity in 20...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc261-2GC (Link to this contribution)

As I say, I am quoting the CBI specifically on this matter, and it cites the year 2045. Although ...

Lord Teverson | 747 c262GC (Link to this contribution)

I know that I am stretching the patience of my noble friend but I want to get this clear in my mi...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c262GC (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that the answer to that is yes.

Lord Deben | 747 c262GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might suggest to my noble friend that there is a way out of this, which is that we put ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c262GC (Link to this contribution)

I have said that I will study everything that all noble Lords have said. The point is that you wo...

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc262-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for his comments. It is incorrect to say that this amendment would introduce...

Viscount Hanworth | 747 c263GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Viscount Hanworth

51JC: Clause 47, page 46, line 28, leave out “450” and ins...

Viscount Hanworth | 747 cc263-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with the leave of the Committee, I will also speak to Amendment 51KA and to the other p...

Lord Deben | 747 cc264-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I suggest that there is much here for the Government to think about seriously. We need ...

Lord Dixon-Smith | 747 c266GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have hesitated to intervene in this section for some time, but I feel that I should f...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c267GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in speaking to the amendments tabled by the noble Viscount, Lord Hanworth, I will not g...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc267-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Viscount, Lord Hanworth, for his amendments, which have give...

Viscount Hanworth | 747 cc268-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I regret that the Minister has been placed in a position of having to defend the indefensible. Ne...

Lord Teverson | 747 c269GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Teverson

51K: Clause 47, page 47, line 30, at end insert—

“( ) fo...

Lord Teverson | 747 cc269-270GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I move into an area that on the whole is pretty contentious. I do so almost reluctantly...

Lord Deben | 747 cc270-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I should say to my noble friend Lord Teverson that having not been perhaps been easy in my commen...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 747 cc271-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, have been following this issue carefully. Before my noble friend Lord Ridley ha...

Baroness Maddock | 747 c273GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my name is attached to the amendment. I was not going to speak because of time, but the...

Lord Grantchester | 747 cc273-4GC (Link to this contribution)

Like the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, we agree that biomass could make a significant and important ...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 cc274-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, first, I thank my noble friend for tabling the amendment, and all noble Lords who have ...

Lord Teverson | 747 c275GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I very much agree with the noble Lord, Lord Deben. I have often said that this is the o...

Lord Teverson | 747 c275GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Teverson

51M: Schedule 4, page 125, line 3, at end insert—

“(iii)...

Lord Teverson | 747 c276GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I take the emissions performance standard very seriously, as I did at Second Reading. A...

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc276-7GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord, Lord Teverson, for tabling this amendment, to which I have added my name....

Lord Deben | 747 c277GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Baroness agree that the reporting of the dangers of the lights not being kept on i...

Baroness Worthington | 747 cc277-280GC (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. These dirty dozen plants have very low efficiency and very high carbon in...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c279GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope the noble Baroness knows that I do not like anyone being disappointed, bur it is the reali...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c279GC (Link to this contribution)

I tried to cut that off that in my comments to stop the Minister using it. It is illogical to say...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 747 c281GC (Link to this contribution)

Surely, even if a few coal plants carried on until 2025 or 2030, would it not be a good idea to r...

Baroness Worthington | 747 c281GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister mentioned in his reply that under the gas strategy only two plants would b...

Lord Teverson | 747 c282GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for her expert comments on this amendment. I admit I am perplexed by m...

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