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Care Bill [HL]

Lords committee stage (sixth day) (part one). Clauses 12-15 agreed to.

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Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber
Care Bill (HL) 2013-14
Thursday, 9 May 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee first report.
Wednesday, 22 May 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 c665 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Low of Dalston

88M: Clause 12, page 10, line 38, leave out from “which”...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 cc665-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in moving Amendment 88M, I will speak also to Amendment 92ZZN, both of which are in my ...


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Lord Touhig | 747 c668 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 88M and 92ZZM in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Low of Dalston, ...

Baroness Wilkins | 747 c668 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support this group of amendments. The consolidation of the care and support ...

Baroness Wheeler | 747 cc668-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not have a great deal further to add on this issue, given that we fully supported ...

Earl Howe | 747 c669 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Lords, Lord Low and Lord Touhig, for bringing forward these amendment...

Baroness Barker | 747 c669 (Link to this contribution)

In Clause 27 it appears that it is only the local authority that has the power to ask for there t...

Earl Howe | 747 c670 (Link to this contribution)

I shall do my best to answer my noble friend in a moment or two, but I am aware that I did not an...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 c670 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful to all those who have spoken in support of these amendments. I am also gr...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 747 cc670-1 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Grey-Thompson

88Q: Clause 13, page 12, line 17, leave out subsectio...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 747 cc671-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 88Q relates to the eligibility for social care. This is a probing amendment i...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 cc673-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am glad to support Amendment 88Q, put forward by the noble Baroness, Lady Grey-Thomps...

Baroness Wilkins | 747 c675 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support this amendment. If the Government do not agree with the intention be...

Baroness Jolly | 747 cc675-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, am delighted that these amendments have given us the opportunity to debate the ...

Lord Rix | 747 c676 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the Minister knows perfectly well where I stand because I already talked about eligibil...

Lord Touhig | 747 cc676-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendment 88Q, which was so powerfully moved by the noble Baroness, Lady Grey...

Baroness Hollins | 747 cc677-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would have added my name to this amendment because it is excellent and necessary. I, ...

Baroness Greengross | 747 c678 (Link to this contribution)

There are vast numbers of older people—for whom this Bill is designed, in terms of quantity—who w...

Lord Warner | 747 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to intervene in the debate on Amendment 88Q but I feel under some obligation...

Lord Rix | 747 c679 (Link to this contribution)

How is it that the commission found that people with disabilities and elderly people helped to ma...

Lord Warner | 747 c679 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think we want to have a debate on our report, but I suggest that the noble Lord reads Ch...

Lord Rix | 747 c680 (Link to this contribution)

I would not necessarily put working-age people at the top of the list. I talked about disabled pe...

Lord Warner | 747 c680 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think that we said that they should fund the deficit. We said how they should be treated...

Lord Lipsey | 747 cc680-1 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise to make two brief points. First, this argument is not really about eligibility c...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 cc681-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendments 88R and 88S take us back to the amendments which I moved last week on eli...

Earl Howe | 747 cc682-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this has been an excellent and very important debate and I thank all noble Lords who ha...

Baroness Browning | 747 c685 (Link to this contribution)

As far as the eligibility criteria are concerned there is another indicator, which I have not hea...

Earl Howe | 747 cc685-6 (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend raises an important point, and I will take her suggestion away with me. As I ment...

Lord Touhig | 747 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Have the Government looked at the Deloitte economic modelling, which shows that support for moder...

Earl Howe | 747 c686 (Link to this contribution)

I know that my officials have looked closely at that modelling. I have not yet had an opportunity...

Baroness Grey-Thompson | 747 cc686-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate, and also the Minister for hi...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 747 c687 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Pitkeathley

89A: Clause 14, page 12, line 35, at end insert—

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Baroness Pitkeathley | 747 cc687-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendment 89B as well as Amendment 89A, as they are both amendments ...

Lord Lipsey | 747 c688 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly—I fear that that will be the last time that I will use the word “briefly...

Baroness Browning | 747 c688 (Link to this contribution)

In the case that the noble Lord has just mentioned, would there be any question of the lady conce...

Lord Lipsey | 747 c690 (Link to this contribution)

That could arise, I suppose, but it has not arisen in this case. I am not even sure—it is very di...

Lord Low of Dalston | 747 cc690-1 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to Amendments 89BA and 92ZZM. I very much welcomed the comments of the Minister at ...

Baroness Barker | 747 cc691-2 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support all the amendments in this group. On these Benches one of our great hopes for...

Lord Warner | 747 c692 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendment of my noble friend Lady Pitkeathley. As someone...

Baroness Wheeler | 747 cc692-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, these amendments under Clause 14 deal with the difficult area of charging for the care ...

Earl Howe | 747 cc694-5 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, not for the first time, I find myself in sympathy with the noble Baroness, Lady Pitkeat...

Lord Lipsey | 747 c695 (Link to this contribution)

I am a bit bemused. I cannot see where my amendment states that local authorities have to prove i...

Earl Howe | 747 cc695-6 (Link to this contribution)

I had rather assumed, perhaps wrongly, that if, for whatever reason, there has been a discrepancy...

Lord Lipsey | 747 c696 (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord has interpreted my amendment one way; I have interpreted it in another way. It may...

Earl Howe | 747 c696 (Link to this contribution)

I am more than happy to discuss this with the noble Lord and I apologise if I have misunderstood ...

Lord Warner | 747 cc696-7 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister clarify his response to my noble friend’s amendment that there would be statutor...

Earl Howe | 747 c697 (Link to this contribution)

My advice is that the guidance that we will issue on this topic will be binding on local authorit...

Baroness Pitkeathley | 747 c697 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in what my noble friend Lord Lipsey called this...

Lord Lipsey | 747 c697 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Lipsey

89C: Clause 15, page 13, line 30, leave out from “is” to end of ...

Lord Lipsey | 747 cc697-9 (Link to this contribution)

Now for something completely different. These amendments hardly deserve the epithet “probing”—mor...

Lord Warner | 747 cc699-700 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend will not be surprised if I gently defend the Dilnot commission’s recomm...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 747 c700 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I totally dissent from the case that my noble friend Lord Warner makes. I have opposed ...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 c701 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to come between my noble friends Lord Warner, Lord Lipsey and Lord Campbell-...

Earl Howe | 747 cc701-3 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Lipsey, explained very clearly, these amendments would mean tha...

Lord Lipsey | 747 c703 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply, which was a miracle of putting very well the point ...

Lord Sharkey | 747 c703 (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Sharkey

89E: Clause 15, page 13, line 46, at end insert—

“( ) The...

Lord Sharkey | 747 cc703-4 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 89E covers the same ground as, and is very similar to, Amendment 90 in thi...

Baroness Greengross | 747 c705 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the noble Lord, Lord Sharkey. A similar amendment in my name is not as strong...

Lord Lipsey | 747 cc705-6 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak to the amendments in this group standing in my name but, before I do so, I...

Lord Warner | 747 cc706-7 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support the comments made by my noble friend, Lord Lipsey. There is a case for settin...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 747 cc707-8 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my noble friend refers to the exhortations in the report to require the Government to c...

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 747 cc708-9 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, my Amendment 90ZA requires the Secretary of State to report to Parliament,

“in ad...

Earl Howe | 747 cc709-712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the clauses on the capped-costs system represent a significant step forward, ending dec...

Lord Campbell-Savours | 747 c712 (Link to this contribution)

If someone is below the £70,000 figure and funding their own care, why would they bring in the lo...

Earl Howe | 747 c712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, potentially, everyone in need of care and support may benefit from these reforms. We wa...

Lord Sharkey | 747 c712 (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who have spoken in favour of a comprehensive, national and cent...

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