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Energy Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 2 July 2013, in the House of Lords.
Lords committee stage (first day). Clauses 1 and 2, as amended, agreed to.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

746 cc347-418GC 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee
Energy Bill 2012-13 to 2013-14. Brought from the Commons.
Wednesday, 5 June 2013
Bills
House of Lords
Deposited Paper DEP2013-1159
Thursday, 4 July 2013
Deposited papers
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Brougham and Vaux | 746 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, good afternoon and welcome to the first day in Grand Committee on the Energy Bill. Ther...

Baroness Verma | 746 c347GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Verma

1: Clause 1, page 1, line 6, leave out “Great Britain” and in...


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Baroness Verma | 746 cc347-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I speak to the government amendments in this group, which I hope noble Lords will welco...

Lord Empey | 746 cc348-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I welcome these amendments but want to ask the Minister about a couple of matters. I ha...

Lord Whitty | 746 cc349-350GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, from these Benches, I, too, support the amendments and much of what the noble Lord, Lor...

Baroness Verma | 746 c350GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am grateful for the noble Lord’s warm welcome of this amendment. I am very keen to ma...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 746 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister answer the very pertinent question asked by my noble friend Lord Whitty as to w...

Baroness Verma | 746 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall write to the noble Lord on that and make the letter available to Members of the...

Lord Empey | 746 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, if the Minister is not in a position to address today my point on the Sewel convention,...

Baroness Verma | 746 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, energy policy is transferred in relation to Northern Ireland. Therefore, it is right th...

Lord Empey | 746 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I understand what the Minister says, but we have had a case recently where the National...

Baroness Verma | 746 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am quite happy to take away the noble Lord’s concerns and, I hope, respond to him in ...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 746 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I may raise a tangential point that came to mind when my noble friend Lord Whitty was spe...

Baroness Verma | 746 c351GC (Link to this contribution)

Rather than give a brief response to that, I would prefer to give a more detailed one. On interna...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 c352GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Oxburgh

2: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, leave out “may” and insert “must”<...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 cc352-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 3, 4, 6, 9 and 14. I begin by declaring my interests a...

Viscount Hanworth | 746 cc353-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I strongly support the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh. Amendments 2 ...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 746 cc355-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have listened to the two speeches on this with great interest. It is with some anxiet...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 c358GC (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps I might ask the noble Lord whether the provisions of the Climate Change Act and in the pr...

Lord Jenkin of Roding | 746 c358GC (Link to this contribution)

I can only reply that if the noble Lord thinks that that is all that is necessary, I cannot think...

Lord Davies of Stamford | 746 cc358-9GC (Link to this contribution)

I regret that I was not able to follow very clearly the logic of the remarks of the noble Lord, L...

Lord Stephen | 746 cc359-362GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I want to follow up on some of the comments made by the noble Lord, Lord Davies, becaus...

Lord Turnbull | 746 c361GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, as noble Lords may be aware, I have strong reservations about the Bill but on this issu...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 746 cc361-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I apologise to colleagues and to the Minister for not being at Second Reading. I had in...

Baroness Worthington | 746 c364GC (Link to this contribution)

Does the noble Lord agree that it is quite clear the reason for those price increases is the high...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 746 c364GC (Link to this contribution)

No, I would not agree at all. I look at my bill, and I do not know whether the noble Baroness has...

Baroness Worthington | 746 c364GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord therefore explain why gas bills have been rising when they do not carry any o...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 746 cc364-5GC (Link to this contribution)

Obviously the bulk of a market price is the price at which gas is purchased: either contract or s...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 746 cc365-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in his meandering tour d’horizon, the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, said that the only appro...

Lord Deben | 746 cc366-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it gives me some concern to disagree with both my former Secretary of State—for whom I ...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 746 cc368-9GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has missed the point. The danger of targets such as the one proposed now is that ...

Lord Deben | 746 c369GC (Link to this contribution)

I find that very difficult to follow. This is not a prescription for the means by which we will m...

Lord Cameron of Dillington | 746 cc369-371GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, like the noble Lord, Lord Deben, I support the amendments in the name of the noble Lord...

Lord Dixon-Smith | 746 cc370-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I hesitate to intervene in a debate between titans but I wish to speak as an innocent c...

Viscount Ridley | 746 c373GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, rise to oppose the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh—although I g...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 746 c373GC (Link to this contribution)

The industries the noble Viscount has cited are wholly dependent on baseload generation. However,...

Viscount Ridley | 746 c373GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, in the United States, shale gas has displaced coal. I should, by the way, declare my in...

Lord Deben | 746 c374GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that the noble Viscount knows this, but in the calculations that the climate change com...

Viscount Ridley | 746 c374GC (Link to this contribution)

Would the noble Lord accept that the figure that came out last week for the amount of shale gas u...

Baroness Worthington | 746 c374GC (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that that is a fascinating discussion and one we will probably return to, but can the n...

Viscount Ridley | 746 cc374-5GC (Link to this contribution)

If we embrace within the next couple of years a decarbonisation target that is stricter than shal...

Baroness Browning | 746 cc375-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak briefly because I realise that it has been a long debate. I want to make ...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 746 c376GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the whole Committee owes a great debt of gratitude to the noble Lord, Lord Oxburgh, for...

Lord Deben | 746 c377GC (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the Committee understands that the “facts” that were presented would be denied by alm...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 746 c377GC (Link to this contribution)

If my noble friend feels that anything that the noble Viscount, Lord Ridley, said was incorrect, ...

Baroness Worthington | 746 c377GC (Link to this contribution)

Will the noble Lord explain, therefore, why there is currently a trade dispute between China and ...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 746 cc377-8GC (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting question, which I will answer. The Chinese felt that the Europeans were so...

Lord Lawson of Blaby | 746 cc378-9GC (Link to this contribution)

No, I have not finished. It is true that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has a warming effect. H...

Earl of Caithness | 746 cc379-380GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I have no financial interest to declare. I suppose my interest to declare is that I now...

Lord Whitty | 746 cc380-1GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the noble Earl has presented a view of the report that he and I were both party to, as ...

Earl of Caithness | 746 c381GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, with regard to the first question that the noble Lord, Lord Whitty, posed to me, yes, o...

Baroness Worthington | 746 cc381-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I am delighted to speak to Amendments 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 10, 11 and 14. If your Lordships w...

Lord Teverson | 746 c382GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Baroness for letting me intervene; I shall not intervene again. I do not want t...

Baroness Worthington | 746 cc382-6GC (Link to this contribution)

I thank the noble Lord for making that comment. I simply say that that is a complaint against the...

Baroness Verma | 746 cc384-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I echo the noble Baroness in saying that this has been an excellent debate and, given t...

Baroness Verma | 746 cc387-9GC (Link to this contribution)

In order to make progress, if the noble Baroness has a question, perhaps I could take it after I ...

Baroness Worthington | 746 c389GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I would like to ask the Minister about her assertion that there are targets post-2020, ...

Baroness Verma | 746 c389GC (Link to this contribution)

Of course, the point is that we have to make sure that this happens against the backdrop of what ...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 cc389-390GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank all those who have taken the time to give us a very interesting and rewarding d...

Lord Howell of Guildford | 746 c390GC (Link to this contribution)

The noble Lord is an enormous expert on this but is he talking about just shale gas itself or abo...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 cc390-1GC (Link to this contribution)

I was restricting my comments to shale gas, and in the interests of time I will continue to do so...

Baroness Verma | 746 c391GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Verma

5: Clause 1, page 1, line 11, leave out “Great Britain” and i...

Baroness Worthington | 746 c391GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Worthington

8: Clause 1, page 2, line 1, leave out from “range” to ...

Baroness Worthington | 746 cc391-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I do not wish to prolong this debate greatly although I am grateful to have this opport...

Baroness Verma | 746 cc392-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 8 raises questions about when a decarbonisation target range should be set. T...

Baroness Worthington | 746 cc394-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for her response. I have to point out that at the moment we ...

Lord Grantchester | 746 c396GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Grantchester

12: Clause 1, page 2, line 17, leave out “5” and insert “5...

Lord Grantchester | 746 cc396-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will speak also to Amendment 25 in this group. Amendment 12 ensures that, on a decarb...

Lord Deben | 746 c397GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I might counsel the Minister to be very careful about accepting these amendment...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 c397GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will not take up much time. The noble Lord, Lord Deben, may be right that this level ...

Baroness Verma | 746 c399GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, on Amendment 12, Clause 1(8) gives the Government the power to repeal the reporting req...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 c400GC (Link to this contribution)

I want to rectify an omission from my previous intervention. I should have declared a non-financi...

Lord Grantchester | 746 c400GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, it has been interesting to hear the comments around the Committee this afternoon. I am ...

Baroness Verma | 746 c400GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Verma

13: Clause 1, page 2, line 27, after “consult” insert “the De...

Earl of Caithness | 746 c400GC (Link to this contribution)

May I check with my noble friend that the inclusion of the words “the Department of Enterprise, T...

Baroness Verma | 746 c400GC (Link to this contribution)

My noble friend has raised the point about Northern Ireland. The relevant department in Northern ...

Baroness Maddock | 746 c400GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Maddock

15: Clause 2, page 2, line 41, at end insert—

“( ) en...

Baroness Maddock | 746 cc400-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, this amendment is in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Teverson. I, too, welcome...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 746 cc402-3GC (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support my fellow vice-president of National Energy Action. I should perhaps have menti...

Baroness Liddell of Coatdyke | 746 cc403-4GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I will be brief because a lot of what needed to be said in this debate has been said by...

Lord Deben | 746 c404GC (Link to this contribution)

The climate change committee raised some very important issues about fuel poverty. We have a comm...

Lord Teverson | 746 c405GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I put my name to the amendment of my noble friend Lady Maddock. In three areas of the d...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 c405GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I, too, am extremely sympathetic to the objective of this amendment. But perhaps I am a...

Lord Whitty | 746 cc405-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, we on these Benches strongly advise the Government to accept something like this wordin...

Baroness Verma | 746 cc406-7GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I agree that fuel poverty is a real and serious problem faced by many households today....

Baroness Maddock | 746 cc407-8GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I thank the Minister for her reply and thank all noble Lords who joined in this short d...

Baroness Verma | 746 c408GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Baroness Verma

16: Clause 2, page 2, line 42, leave out “Great Britain” and ...

Lord Turnbull | 746 c408GC (Link to this contribution)

Moved by

Lord Turnbull

18: Clause 2, page 2, line 44, leave out paragraph (h) and ins...

Lord Turnbull | 746 cc408-410GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I shall speak to Amendment 18, which is related to Amendment 19. I expect the noble Vis...

Lord O'Neill of Clackmannan | 746 c410GC (Link to this contribution)

For the convenience of the Committee, would the noble Lord tell us for how much longer we will go...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 746 c410GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, that is the estimated rising time and we agreed with the opposition whip that we would ...

Viscount Ridley | 746 cc410-2GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I support Amendments 18 and 19 from the noble Lord, Lord Turnbull, but I will mainly ad...

Lord Flight | 746 cc411-3GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendment 21 is in my name. I apologise that I was unable to attend Second Reading. Thi...

Lord Grantchester | 746 cc413-5GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, Amendments 18, 19 and 20 all deal with the way in which the Secretary of State will com...

Lord Oxburgh | 746 c415GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, I had not intended to contribute to this debate but several remarks have been made whic...

Baroness Verma | 746 cc415-6GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, the concern behind Amendment 18, proposed by the noble Viscount, Lord Ridley, and the n...

Lord Turnbull | 746 cc417-8GC (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the Minister’s answer on Amendment 19 as regards the assurance that an adequate...

Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 746 c418GC (Link to this contribution)

My Lords, perhaps I may suggest that this is a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.

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