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Estimates day and Backbench debate on Wednesday, 5 July 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Stephen Crabb. The answering member was Andrew Bowie.
Main estimates (2022-23). Fifth estimates day (part one). Motion that for the year ending with 31 March 2024, for expenditure by the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero: (1) further resources, not exceeding £11,749,854,000, be authorised for use for current purposes as set out in HC 1383 of Session 2022–23, (2) further resources, not exceeding £3,525,935,000, be authorised for use for capital purposes as so set out, and (3) the sum authorised for issue out of the Consolidated Fund be reduced by £3,200,982,000. Question deferred.

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Reference

735 cc900-849 

Session

2022-23

Procedure

Supply estimates

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House of Commons chamber
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 735 c900 (Link to this contribution)

The debate will be opened by the Chair of the Select Committee on Welsh Affairs.

12.53 pm

Stephen Crabb | 735 cc900-806 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to open this afternoon’s debate on energy infrastructure at the start of this e...


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Jim Shannon | 735 c806 (Link to this contribution)

I commend the right hon. Gentleman for bringing this debate forward. As Chair of the Welsh Affair...

Stephen Crabb | 735 cc806-7 (Link to this contribution)

As ever, the hon. Gentleman is correct: we are one United Kingdom. Of course, on energy on the is...

Stephen Crabb | 735 c807 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the Chairman of the Select Committee on Energy Security and Net Zero.

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 735 c807 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes a good point there. One other issue to address is the plethora of ...

Stephen Crabb | 735 cc807-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for bringing that to the House’s attention. There are current...

Caroline Lucas | 735 c808 (Link to this contribution)

Did any of the witnesses point out the eye-wateringly high cost of new nuclear, as well as how pa...

Stephen Crabb | 735 c808 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a good point. Investment in large-scale nuclear, or even small modular reacto...

Alan Brown | 735 c808 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to make a similar point to that made by the hon. Member for Brighton, Pavilion (Carol...

Stephen Crabb | 735 c808 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to disappoint the hon. Gentleman, because I do not have those specific figures in the ...

Wera Hobhouse | 735 c808 (Link to this contribution)

Particularly on estimates day, are we really “putting our heads in the sand” when that technology...

Stephen Crabb | 735 c809 (Link to this contribution)

The evidence we considered took in the entire life cycle of a nuclear power station. Looking at t...

Andrew Bridgen | 735 c809 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman talks about the long-term future for nuclear, and I agree, but surely th...

Stephen Crabb | 735 cc809-811 (Link to this contribution)

We took evidence from Rolls-Royce, and we heard about the £200 million it has already received fr...

Lia Nici | 735 c810 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that contracts for difference have been vital for offshore wind, ...

Stephen Crabb | 735 c810 (Link to this contribution)

I do agree, yes. I made the point earlier that, with fixed-bottom offshore wind, we perhaps misse...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 735 cc810-2 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Chair of the Energy Security and Net Zero Committee—[Interruption.]

1.16 pm

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 735 c812 (Link to this contribution)

That was an unnerving cheer from the Minister on the Front Bench. Luckily, I know him personally....

Matt Rodda | 735 c812 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there is also an important role for further education and univ...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 735 cc812-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is correct: the technical education sector has a lot to offer and Government m...

Caroline Lucas | 735 c814 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way; I was trying to work out where his semicolon was going...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 735 c814 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, one of the Climate Change Committee’s main bullet points has been lack of urgency from the G...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 735 c814 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady says from a sedentary position that there is not perfection either. This is the spa...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 735 c814 (Link to this contribution)

Order. A little reminder to Members that if they intervene on another Member, it is courteous to ...

Nicola Richards | 735 cc814-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this debate. I take this opportunity to thank the Department for its...

Emma Hardy | 735 c816 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for West Bromwich East (Nicola Richards). I particular...

Lia Nici | 735 c816 (Link to this contribution)

The east coast cluster track 1 application, of which the Humber was a part, was perhaps not the b...

Emma Hardy | 735 c818 (Link to this contribution)

It might be worth talking to the companies involved. They are telling me that the indecisiveness ...

Lia Nici | 735 c818 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member is being generous in giving way. I talk with those businesses weekly and that is ...

Emma Hardy | 735 cc818-9 (Link to this contribution)

As it stands, the Government have not approved any of the carbon capture and storage projects for...

Alex Cunningham | 735 c819 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a very powerful and informed speech. She will be aware of the INEOS proj...

Emma Hardy | 735 c819 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. The UK is unique in wishing to have a bidding process. In the USA, if a company says ...

Virginia Crosbie | 735 cc819-822 (Link to this contribution)

Before I begin, I would like to say llongyfarchiadau—congratulations—to my right hon. Friend the ...

Wera Hobhouse | 735 c822 (Link to this contribution)

It has been an interesting debate so far, but there is no doubt that the pace at which we are get...

Andrew Bridgen | 735 c822 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady give way on that point?

Wera Hobhouse | 735 cc822-3 (Link to this contribution)

Let us not make the 2050 target something that we cannot reach. We must reach it—it is an absolut...

Caroline Lucas | 735 c823 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member is making a powerful case, and I thank her for it. The Secretary of State told me...

Wera Hobhouse | 735 c823 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more. This is about creating level playing fields—at least for the renewable se...

Andrew Bridgen | 735 c823 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady give way, please?

Wera Hobhouse | 735 cc823-4 (Link to this contribution)

I have already said that I will not give way, and I stick to what I have said.

The US plan ...

Paul Beresford | 735 cc824-5 (Link to this contribution)

In September last year, I was lucky enough to go back to visit New Zealand, tone up my accent, le...

Andrew Bridgen | 735 c825 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way on that point?

Paul Beresford | 735 c825 (Link to this contribution)

Sorry, but the hon. Gentleman came late to the debate, and I am just about to finish.

This,...

Alex Cunningham | 735 cc825-8 (Link to this contribution)

I draw attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests, as I chair the all-...

Paul Bristow | 735 cc828-830 (Link to this contribution)

On Friday I found myself, rather unusually as the Member of Parliament for Peterborough, on a sit...

Ben Lake | 735 cc830-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Peterborough (Paul Bristow). I very much enjoyed h...

Selaine Saxby | 735 cc833-5 (Link to this contribution)

Net zero by 2050 is not an arbitrary target but a scientific assessment of what is needed to limi...

Andrew Bridgen | 735 cc835-6 (Link to this contribution)

I draw the Chamber’s attention to my entry in the Register of Member’s Financial Interests: my sh...

Ben Lake | 735 c836 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a thought-provoking speech. He makes a point about solar and wind, b...

Andrew Bridgen | 735 c836 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, we have discussed the benefits of potential tidal energy. We have huge tidal ranges in the U...

Siobhan Baillie | 735 c836 (Link to this contribution)

In following the hon. Member for North West Leicestershire (Andrew Bridgen), I want to say that h...

Andrew Bridgen | 735 c837 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady aware that Just Stop Oil protesters are paid up to £500 a day by their sponsors ...

Siobhan Baillie | 735 cc837-9 (Link to this contribution)

I was not aware of that, but to anyone I meet and to schoolchildren when I go to schools, I say, ...

Lia Nici | 735 cc839-840 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great honour to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Stroud (Siobhan Baillie). Who knew a...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 735 c840 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the Scottish National party spokesperson, I must emphasise again how important it i...

Alan Brown | 735 cc840-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure you do not need to remind people to come and listen to me starting the wind-ups, Madam ...

Alan Whitehead | 735 cc842-3 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the right hon. Member for Preseli Pembrokeshire (Stephen Crabb) on securing this a...

Alan Whitehead | 735 c843 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much; I will not even try myself. Among other things, the hon. Member mentioned th...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 735 c843 (Link to this contribution)

We are here in the UK Parliament talking about the UK context, but does the hon. Gentleman agree ...

Alan Whitehead | 735 cc843-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member is absolutely right. We are in global competition for resources that are presentl...

Andrew Bowie | 735 cc844-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to close this debate for the Government. I thank my right hon. Friend the Member...

Emma Hardy | 735 c846 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that informative response. Will he emphasise that although the Viking pr...

Andrew Bowie | 735 cc846-7 (Link to this contribution)

Given the limits on time, I will not. However, I commit to meeting the hon. Lady and other Member...

Andrew Bowie | 735 cc847-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will not, sorry.

My hon. Friend the Member for Mole Valley (Sir Paul Beresford) was right...

Nigel Evans | 735 c848 (Link to this contribution)

With the leave of the House, I call Stephen Crabb to wind up briefly.

3.33 pm

Stephen Crabb | 735 c848 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. With the leave of the House, let me thank the Minister for that sum...

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