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Northern Ireland Budget Bill

Debate on bills on Monday, 23 January 2023, in the House of Commons, led by Steve Baker. The answering member was Peter Kyle.
Allocation of time motion on timetable for second reading, Committee of the Whole House, report, third reading and other proceedings. Ordered. Second reading. Agreed to on question. Bill committed to a Committee of the Whole House.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

726 cc773-821 

Session

2022-23

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Northern Ireland Budget Bill 2022-23
Thursday, 12 January 2023
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Steve Baker | 726 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

I begin by asking the leave of the ...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 726 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way, but I know that he will go down the predictable line that al...


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Steve Baker | 726 cc773-4 (Link to this contribution)

There is no question of admitting any kind of fallacy. What I was saying with the quote the hon. ...

Steve Baker | 726 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I will give to the right hon. Member for East Antrim (Sammy Wilson) and then to my hon. Friend th...

Sammy Wilson | 726 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad the Minister accepts that there is no magic wand, but does he also accept that, given t...

Steve Baker | 726 c774 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes some legitimate points. The particular point about mandatory coali...

Simon Hoare | 726 c774 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will probably know that the Select Committee was in Northern Ireland last week. I ...

Steve Baker | 726 c775 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is spot on in what he says. If the situation in Northern Ireland presented itself ...

Paul Girvan | 726 c775 (Link to this contribution)

There are many aspects of Bengoa that could be implemented, but there is seemingly a reluctance t...

Steve Baker | 726 c775 (Link to this contribution)

The Northern Ireland (Executive Formation etc) Act 2022, which we put through, gives civil servan...

Steve Baker | 726 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I will, but I will then be determined to make progress.

Stephen Farry | 726 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way. He will appreciate that in other circumstances the Executive...

Steve Baker | 726 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I expect the hon. Gentleman knows that clauses 8 and 9 put in place a vote on account for next ye...

Steve Baker | 726 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way once more but then will give a Bill overview in the hope of making progress.

Jim Shannon | 726 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way and respectfully say to him that I have a suggestion for savi...

Steve Baker | 726 cc776-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for raising that point, but I hope he will not mind my saying that tod...

Karin Smyth | 726 cc777-8 (Link to this contribution)

Like many Members of this House, I will be immediately affected, through immediate family, by the...

Steve Baker | 726 c778 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful that the hon. Lady finished with an encouragement to resolve the issues in the prot...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 726 c778 (Link to this contribution)

I call the shadow Secretary of State.

4.59 pm

Peter Kyle | 726 cc778-780 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for setting out the measures in the Bill. It is needed to allow public servi...

Robert Buckland | 726 c780 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right to talk of the inability to set out multi-year plans. We were being t...

Peter Kyle | 726 cc780-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that intervention from the right hon. and learned Gentleman, and I am grateful ...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 726 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I call the Chair of the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee.

5.10 pm

Simon Hoare | 726 cc781-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the shadow Secretary of State, the hon. Member for Hove (Peter Kyle). ...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 726 c784 (Link to this contribution)

At the beginning of 2020, in “New Decade, New Approach”, the UK Government committed to addressin...

Simon Hoare | 726 cc784-5 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree, and I wrote to the PSNI only today, following our visit, asking it to put in w...

Brendan O'Hara | 726 cc785-6 (Link to this contribution)

I will not detain the House very long, because there are many voices from Northern Ireland—those ...

Sammy Wilson | 726 c786 (Link to this contribution)

First, I too join the Minister in expressing sympathy on behalf of my party to Alex Easton, one o...

Stephen Farry | 726 c786 (Link to this contribution)

Alex Easton lives in my North Down constituency and, to echo what the right hon. Gentleman has sa...

Sammy Wilson | 726 cc786-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that feeling will be widespread across the constituency, as Alex—a former member of my ...

Simon Hoare | 726 c787 (Link to this contribution)

I understand why the right hon. Gentleman is trying to say what I said, but I am afraid he is mis...

Sammy Wilson | 726 c787 (Link to this contribution)

For any problem to be resolved, as the hon. Gentleman knows full well, we need a Budget that Depa...

Colum Eastwood | 726 c787 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, the right hon. Gentleman is a former Finance Minister, but we should not go into his r...

Sammy Wilson | 726 cc787-9 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to get into history, but I would point out that in the first year I was Finance Min...

Steve Baker | 726 c789 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman has mentioned this a couple of times and I mean to come to it as I close...

Sammy Wilson | 726 c790 (Link to this contribution)

The point I was making—the Minister knows this, because we have raised it here on a number of occ...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 726 c790 (Link to this contribution)

Surely it is even more serious than that. The reality is that the Northern Ireland Executive and ...

Sammy Wilson | 726 c790 (Link to this contribution)

Until that situation is revolved, we are going to be faced with the kind of situation we are disc...

Simon Hoare | 726 c790 (Link to this contribution)

The point about the democratic deficit is important, as everybody would understand. Does the righ...

Sammy Wilson | 726 cc790-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am amazed at the hon. Gentleman’s intervention. As far as I know, he is a member of the Conserv...

Colum Eastwood | 726 cc791-2 (Link to this contribution)

I promise not to make as many final points as were made in the previous speech. Listening to some...

Paul Girvan | 726 c792 (Link to this contribution)

We would not be where we are today if the DUP had not come out of the Assembly. Europe and everyt...

Colum Eastwood | 726 c792 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right: we would not be where we are today were it not for the ac...

Sammy Wilson | 726 c792 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman continually raises this issue—sometimes taking a whining approach as well—but ...

Sammy Wilson | 726 c792 (Link to this contribution)

I am thinking only of my own experience. Actually, the road was cut because the Irish Government ...

Colum Eastwood | 726 cc792-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is interesting that people in Derry are entitled to some Government funding—thank you very muc...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 726 c793 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member consistently attacks the Democratic Unionist party, but might I remind him about ...

Colum Eastwood | 726 cc793-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is astonishing, given the fact that we had the Sunningdale agreement, where we had people wo...

Colum Eastwood | 726 c794 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am not being childish. The DUP’s argument is that this is a constitutional rupture and the ...

Gavin Robinson | 726 cc794-6 (Link to this contribution)

As you know, Madam Deputy Speaker, it is customary to say that it is a great pleasure to follow t...

Steve Baker | 726 c796 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member makes his point with great force on behalf of his many constituents. Since last w...

Gavin Robinson | 726 cc796-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister. I appreciated the correspondence, which he copied to colleagues as well, an...

Simon Hoare | 726 c798 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Member would like to set out in a short email or letter to the Committee the scope of...

Gavin Robinson | 726 c798 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman.

It is what is known as the Barnett squeeze: it started...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 726 cc798-801 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Belfast East (Gavin Robinson) on this ma...

Gavin Robinson | 726 c801 (Link to this contribution)

To add to that, I outlined the difficulties of the squeeze over the next three financial years, w...

Ian Jnr Paisley | 726 cc801-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for putting that on the record. It is clear that this Budget and the squee...

Stephen Farry | 726 cc802-6 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is essentially about giving legal effect to the Budget policy statements and the allocat...

Carla Lockhart | 726 cc806-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a matter of deep regret that this Budget must be brought through this House and not the Nor...

Paul Girvan | 726 cc807-810 (Link to this contribution)

There is a programme on Radio 4 that I listen to from time to time called “Just a Minute”. To be ...

Claire Hanna | 726 cc808-811 (Link to this contribution)

Like other Members, I regret that we are considering this Bill in this place in this way. I regre...

Nigel Evans | 726 cc811-2 (Link to this contribution)

We come to the last Back-Bench contribution, from Mr Shannon.

7.14 pm

Jim Shannon | 726 cc812-5 (Link to this contribution)

The good book says that the last shall be first and the first shall be last, so I am happy to spe...

Tonia Antoniazzi | 726 cc815-6 (Link to this contribution)

I send prayers and condolences on my behalf and that of the Labour party to Alex Easton MLA, his ...

Steve Baker | 726 cc816-8 (Link to this contribution)

With the leave of the House, I am glad to respond to the debate.

First and foremost, I join...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 726 c818 (Link to this contribution)

I do not dispute the Minister’s figures—my point was not about those figures and I was not challe...

Steve Baker | 726 cc818-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the right hon. Member for clarifying that point. I will write to him o...

Colum Eastwood | 726 c819 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely frustrated, as the Minister knows, because this has been going on since the New De...

Steve Baker | 726 c820 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is reflecting on that very thing right now. I believe he is meeting the pa...

Carla Lockhart | 726 c820 (Link to this contribution)

I associate myself with the remarks about Dáithí’s law and trying to ensure that that proceeds. T...

Steve Baker | 726 c820 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Member well knows and does not like, we were forced under law to bring forward aborti...

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