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Parliamentary Constituencies Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 14 July 2020, in the House of Commons, led by Chloe Smith. The answering member was Cat Smith.
Report stage. New clause 1 (Electorate per constituency), discussed with new clause 2 (Allocation of constituencies), new clause 3(Definition of “electorate”), and an amendment, negatived on division (246 votes to 342). New clause 2 negatived on division (50 votes to 339). Amendment negatived on division (237 votes to 339). Third reading. Agreed to on question. Bill passed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

678 cc1418-1484 

Session

2019-21

Department

Cabinet Office

Legislative stage

Third reading and Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Parliamentary Constituencies Bill 2019-21. As amended in Committee.
Tuesday, 30 June 2020
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Cat Smith | 678 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.

Nigel Evans | 678 c1419 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to consider the following:

New clause 2—Allocation of const...


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Cat Smith | 678 cc1419-1421 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak again on the Bill, as it gives me the opportunity to put on the record ...

Andrew Bowie | 678 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening intently to what the hon. Lady has been saying, and at the very beginning o...

Cat Smith | 678 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

Quite the opposite: I am arguing that under the status quo the only blockage to the passing of a ...

Lord Spellar | 678 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is getting to the nub of the issue. The reason why the Government failed to put th...

Cat Smith | 678 c1421 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend made some thoughtful and interesting contributions in Committee and continue...

Maria Miller | 678 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise for interrupting the shadow Minister’s train of thought, but she keeps repeating this...

Cat Smith | 678 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Lady for her intervention, but I am afraid that I quite simply disagree. T...

Chris Elmore | 678 c1422 (Link to this contribution)

A further point about the need for this 7.5% is that it would particularly help seats in Wales, w...

Cat Smith | 678 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very good point about the particular geography in the Welsh valleys where ...

Andrew Rosindell | 678 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady talks about keeping communities together and about breaking up wards. Why does it m...

Cat Smith | 678 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

I would argue that the wards, which are obviously drawn by the Local Government Boundary Commissi...

Mike Wood | 678 c1423 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady raises the case of Port Talbot in a previous review. Does she not accept that this ...

Cat Smith | 678 cc1423-4 (Link to this contribution)

I think in the case of Port Talbot it was the 5% quota that meant that that decision had to be re...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 678 c1424 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard from the other side a suggestion that we should use polling districts as the buildi...

Cat Smith | 678 cc1424-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about the legal standing of polling districts. Wards that...

Alun Cairns | 678 cc1425-6 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to contribute in this debate and to s...

Mark Tami | 678 c1426 (Link to this contribution)

Could the right hon. Member tell the House whether he argued this case in the past and voted that...

Alun Cairns | 678 cc1426-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the right hon. Member’s intervention. I looked through Hansard to see what the ...

David Linden | 678 cc1427-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Vale of Glamorgan (Alun Cairns). I hav...

Gareth Johnson | 678 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that the primary purpose of this legislation is to ensure that vot...

David Linden | 678 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

I would make two points on that. First, the primary purpose of this Bill is, I suspect, to revers...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 678 c1428 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am sure colleagues can see that there is a lot of time pressure in this debate. I urge M...

Chris Clarkson | 678 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

First, I thank the Minister and her team for their hard work on this Bill. There are a select few...

David Linden | 678 c1430 (Link to this contribution)

This is an argument I considered perhaps in response to the hon. Member for Dartford (Gareth John...

Chris Clarkson | 678 c1431 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an eloquent point, but I disagree with him fundamentally. At the end of ...

James Grundy | 678 c1431 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the solution Labour proposes in new clause 1 is somewhat crude and...

Chris Clarkson | 678 c1431 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention, which is, as always, well-considered and eloquent. I...

Andrew Rosindell | 678 c1431 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree with what my hon. Friend is saying. The absurdity of entire wards making constitu...

Chris Clarkson | 678 c1432 (Link to this contribution)

Certainly, in some of the larger metropolitan boroughs, there is what I call the martini paradox,...

Emma Hardy | 678 c1432 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening to the hon. Gentleman’s speech with great interest. I wonder if he agrees with me,...

Chris Clarkson | 678 c1432 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Lady will bear with me, I will come to that point when I address new clause 3.

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David Linden | 678 c1432 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman knows that I have a lot of time for him, but he will recognise that the rule i...

Chris Clarkson | 678 cc1432-3 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman knows that I have a lot of time for him, too. I am not here to blindly say tha...

Chris Clarkson | 678 c1433 (Link to this contribution)

Shall I wind up, Madam Deputy Speaker?

Chris Clarkson | 678 c1433 (Link to this contribution)

Okay. Somebody else can deal with automaticity.

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 678 c1433 (Link to this contribution)

We are not really doing very well so far, are we? We will have another go at trying to stick to s...

Lord Spellar | 678 cc1433-4 (Link to this contribution)

I shall certainly try, Madam Deputy Speaker.

Can we be frank? Boundary changes are a real n...

Mike Wood | 678 c1434 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Member will remember that the Halesowen and Selly Oak constituency was dropped by ...

Lord Spellar | 678 c1434 (Link to this contribution)

Why did it come up with that in the first place when it was clearly such a dumb proposal? Parliam...

Gareth Johnson | 678 cc1434-5 (Link to this contribution)

I was actually enjoying the speech from the right hon. Member for Warley (John Spellar), and I ag...

Emma Hardy | 678 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way. Since his hon. Friend the Member for Heywood and Middl...

Gareth Johnson | 678 c1435 (Link to this contribution)

People have the option, if they want, to register to vote. That was made a very easy process by t...

Lord Spellar | 678 cc1435-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that the hon. Gentleman read the Committee reports, but I am not sure he read my commen...

Gareth Johnson | 678 c1436 (Link to this contribution)

I did read the right hon. Gentleman’s quote, and I have looked into exactly what that was. It was...

Jamie Stone | 678 c1436 (Link to this contribution)

Madam Deputy Speaker, I do apologise for attending the Chamber late—it takes me a little time to ...

Gareth Johnson | 678 c1436 (Link to this contribution)

This is perhaps one of the arguments behind keeping to 650 so the actual sizes of constituencies ...

Wendy Chamberlain | 678 cc1436-8 (Link to this contribution)

I shall speak to new clause 3, tabled in my name and those of my other Liberal Democrat colleague...

Andrew Bowie | 678 cc1438-9 (Link to this contribution)

It will not surprise anybody that I rise in support of the Bill. The current boundaries of the pa...

Lord Spellar | 678 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Andrew Bowie | 678 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, but I am conscious of the time.

Lord Spellar | 678 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

Is he saying that Parliament has been ridiculous for almost the whole of its existence? What was ...

Andrew Bowie | 678 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

I would never suggest that anybody who was in Parliament for all those years was in any way actin...

David Linden | 678 c1439 (Link to this contribution)

Part of the point that the hon. Gentleman is missing is that it is not just Members of Parliament...

Andrew Bowie | 678 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

I am fully aware of that; I was speaking about the entirety of Parliament. I am going to get back...

Andrew Bowie | 678 c1440 (Link to this contribution)

I will not because of the time.

I am fully aware that SNP Members do not view us as one nat...

Clive Efford | 678 cc1440-1 (Link to this contribution)

Everyone on the Opposition Benches accepts that this parliamentary boundary review is overdue. I ...

Andrew Rosindell | 678 c1441 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with much of what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but does he agree that sometimes a ward i...

Clive Efford | 678 cc1441-2 (Link to this contribution)

I agree, provided it is within a recognisable local government area and a recognisable community,...

Alun Cairns | 678 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Clive Efford | 678 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

No, because I heard Madam Deputy Speaker cough, which is telling me, “Efford, shut up.” I will co...

Cherilyn Mackrory | 678 c1442 (Link to this contribution)

This Bill is all about creating fair and proper representation in this House for everyone in the ...

Lord Spellar | 678 cc1442-3 (Link to this contribution)

Can the hon. Lady see the logical inconsistency? Had the provisions of the Bill about automaticit...

Cherilyn Mackrory | 678 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the right hon. Gentleman for his intervention, but on this review, the mathematics mean t...

Cherilyn Mackrory | 678 c1443 (Link to this contribution)

I will press on, because we need to get other hon. Members this afternoon.

Constituency bou...

Ben Lake | 678 cc1443-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to participate in this debate, and a particular pleasure to follow the hon. Memb...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 678 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

I am a fan of the Kingdom of Sussex and I still sing “Sussex by the Sea” on our national day, but...

Ben Lake | 678 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Member makes a good point in terms of the fact that the protections are temporary, in so...

Cherilyn Mackrory | 678 c1444 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to take this argument when we have further devolution calls; at that point, because ...

Ben Lake | 678 cc1444-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good point well made.

To return to more familiar ground—Wales—let me say in ...

Alun Cairns | 678 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that, for a cohesive society to sustain itself, equal representati...

Ben Lake | 678 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

I completely acknowledge and note the right hon. Gentleman’s arguments, but we fundamentally disa...

Maria Miller | 678 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Ceredigion (Ben Lake). I am pleased to hear ...

Lord Spellar | 678 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady give way?

Maria Miller | 678 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman has had quite a lot of giving way. I am not giving way.

Lord Spellar | 678 c1445 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. The right hon. Member for Basingstoke (Mrs Miller) att...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 678 c1446 (Link to this contribution)

It is up to the right hon. Member for Basingstoke (Mrs Miller) whether she wants to give way.

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Maria Miller | 678 c1446 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I actually wrote it down—perhaps the right hon. Gentleman needs ...

Lord Spellar | 678 c1446 (Link to this contribution)

You got it wrong! I said “a necessary”, not “unnecessary”.

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 678 c1446 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The right hon. Gentleman has put his views on the record, but he really must not interrupt...

Maria Miller | 678 cc1446-7 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

The Bill is all about the quality of our democracy and abo...

Virginia Crosbie | 678 cc1447-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend the Member for Basingstoke (Mrs Miller) for tabling amendment 14, wh...

James Grundy | 678 c1448 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted that my hon. Friend has secured statutory protection for her constituency, alongsi...

Virginia Crosbie | 678 c1448 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his interruption—[Interruption.] Sorry—his intervention. I am a bit of...

Virginia Crosbie | 678 c1448 (Link to this contribution)

Either works. I am delighted that my hon. Friend the Member for Leigh (James Grundy) is present t...

Gavin Robinson | 678 cc1448-1450 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Ynys Môn (Virginia Crosbie). I congratulate her on...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 678 c1450 (Link to this contribution)

Things have perked up enormously on the time front. However, from now on, if Members could stick ...

Shaun Bailey | 678 cc1450-1 (Link to this contribution)

Before I begin, on Black Country Day, I want to pay tribute to the Black Country chartists and su...

Mike Wood | 678 cc1451-2 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, and a very happy Black Country Day to you today. As a proud Blac...

Emma Hardy | 678 cc1453-4 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. I have found the debate a little confusing, because the argument...

Aaron Bell | 678 cc1454-5 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle (Emma Hardy). I...

Jonathan Gullis | 678 c1455 (Link to this contribution)

If my hon. Friend is looking for more of the Newcastle-under-Lyme borough, could he please leave ...

Aaron Bell | 678 cc1455-6 (Link to this contribution)

The point of my hon. Friend and neighbour is well made.

I would also like to say how much d...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 678 c1456 (Link to this contribution)

When I went to the Table Office a few weeks ago to pick up this Bill I picked up the wrong one, a...

Richard Holden | 678 c1456 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 678 c1457 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am afraid that time is very tight.

The predecessor Committee to mine suggested 10%, w...

Alex Davies-Jones | 678 cc1457-8 (Link to this contribution)

Diolch, Madam Deputy Speaker. I welcome the opportunity to speak on this very important Bill; I w...

Richard Holden | 678 cc1458-9 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to speak to new clauses 1 and 3. New clause 1 is perhaps the biggest piece of contention o...

Rachel Hopkins | 678 cc1459-1460 (Link to this contribution)

I speak in this debate with previous experience of the process of making electoral boundaries. As...

Jonathan Gullis | 678 cc1460-1 (Link to this contribution)

New clause 1 is in my opinion about stopping equalisation, because through this Bill we are going...

Jim Shannon | 678 cc1461-3 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Stoke-on-Trent North (Jonathan Gullis). He and I h...

Chloe Smith | 678 cc1463-4 (Link to this contribution)

And what a pleasure it is, as always, to follow the remarks of the sage of Strangford, the hon. M...

Emma Hardy | 678 c1464 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to the Minister’s observations about the need to have equal constituenci...

Chloe Smith | 678 cc1464-5 (Link to this contribution)

I admire the tenacity with which the hon. Lady has made that argument today. It is not the subjec...

Alun Cairns | 678 c1465 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister recognise that new clause 2, tabled by Plaid Cymru and the SNP, almost suggests...

Chloe Smith | 678 cc1465-7 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my right hon. Friend. He knows that the Conservative party and the Government are ab...

Cat Smith | 678 c1467 (Link to this contribution)

I did not think it was possible to have as much fun as we had in Committee, but this afternoon ha...

Chloe Smith | 678 cc1480-1 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

I thank all Members who have contr...

Cat Smith | 678 cc1481-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will keep my comments brief, as I covered the Labour party’s stance in my speech on Report. I p...

Maria Miller | 678 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is all about creating fairness and making sure that every vote counts the same, and I wi...

David Linden | 678 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

I echo the comments made by my colleagues on the Front-Bench about our thanks to those who presid...

Gavin Robinson | 678 c1482 (Link to this contribution)

My name was withdrawn at a quarter past 11 this morning.

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 678 cc1482-3 (Link to this contribution)

Oh, my goodness. I have no Member for North East Fife and although the hon. Member for Strangford...

Chloe Smith | 678 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

Well, Madam Deputy Speaker, let us consider the glory of the United Kingdom. Let us start, alphab...

Maria Miller | 678 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister not agree that the debate has given everybody the opportunity to talk about the...

Chloe Smith | 678 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree on that, and it allows me to do something rarely allowed to a Minister in such...

Chloe Smith | 678 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

Not until I have managed to name all the parishes and towns in Norwich North, which are, of cours...

Chris Clarkson | 678 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

They sound like lovely parishes. I could also mention Norden, Bamford, Castleton, Heywood and Mid...

Chloe Smith | 678 c1483 (Link to this contribution)

May I close this unusual contribution to the end of a Bill’s proceedings by also noting how wonde...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 678 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

I believe York Outer is the last one. Let me now put the Question.

Question put and agreed ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 678 c1484 (Link to this contribution)

I will not suspend the House, because I trust that hon. Members will leave quietly in the right d...

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