Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Bill
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Proceeding contributions
We will begin with new clause 1, but before I call the hon. Member for St Helens North (Conor McG...
I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
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With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:
New clause 2—Pension for victims ...
I rise to speak to new clause 1 in my name and the names of many right hon. and hon. Friends and ...
Is the hon. Member at all concerned that the implication of this could impact on the negotiation ...
I think the hon. Gentleman is posing a question for his own party and other participants in the t...
We are very proud of the introduction of equal marriage in Scotland under an SNP Government, led ...
I thank the hon. and learned Lady for her intervention and pay tribute to her and her colleague t...
I will give way to the hon. Lady and then to the right hon. Gentleman.
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for allowing me to intervene. May I just remind him of t...
I thank the hon. Lady again for the direct way in which she puts the question. I was not old enou...
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way and for giving way so frequently so early...
Regulations would come forward in the usual form, on the basis of a vote tonight approving the me...
No one challenges the hon. Gentleman’s sincerity, both on the point of his desire to see relation...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for what he has said and I will answer him very directly. Far from usu...
The constitutional debate we are hearing this afternoon is very important—no one would deny that....
I think it is. That has always been my contention and I hope to speak on that in my closing remar...
The hon. Gentleman is being very generous. He makes a point about rights. There is the protection...
It is very important that we have a mechanism where sensitive, cultural or constitutional issues ...
I pay tribute to the very pragmatic and careful way the hon. Gentleman has drafted his new clause...
I appreciate the hon. Lady’s remarks and the work she has done in Scotland. I also appreciate her...
My hon. Friend knows his new clause has my full support. As I made clear on Second Reading last n...
Absolutely. I see that my hon. Friend the Member for Rutherglen and Hamilton West (Ged Killen) is...
My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech and I wholeheartedly support his new clause. Does he...
I thank my hon. Friend for what he said and for the work he did as shadow Secretary of State for ...
The hon. Gentleman is being generous in taking interventions. I am very pleased to have added my ...
I very much appreciate the sentiment, but let us get through today first and then we can have a c...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I will, but I am afraid I will then have to close.
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman. I appreciate him taking this intervention. I hope he re...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comments. I have always been clear that I am an MP from Northe...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for St Helens North (Conor McGinn), who made a powerfu...
My right hon. Friend, who chairs the Select Committee, is making an excellent speech. The judgmen...
My hon. Friend gets to the nub of the matter. The human rights organisation in Northern Ireland d...
My right hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. As a member of the Women and Equalities Commi...
I thank my hon. Friend for all her work on the Select Committee, of which she is a valuable and v...
Thank you, Dame Eleanor, for giving me an opportunity to speak briefly about the new clauses and ...
Does my right hon. Friend not find it amazing that when we spent literally hours in the House deb...
My right hon. Friend has made an important point. We are to have four hours of debate on this and...
Does the right hon. Gentleman not accept that there have been instances in the recent past when w...
I think that the hon. Gentleman is mistaken in relation to that issue, but there have been instan...
May I draw the right hon. Gentleman’s attention to his own new clauses 15 and 17, which propose t...
I shall deal with new clauses 15 and 17 when we discuss the second batch of new clauses and amend...
The point my right hon. Friend makes about the late Sir Anthony Hart’s inquiry is all the more po...
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for pointing out that and the role the Select Committee has playe...
I had the opportunity to work very closely with the late Sir Anthony Hart. He conducted the inqui...
Yes, I agree; that is entirely right. This points to where we should be taking things forward in ...
As has been said, it is important for us to be taking forward things that have got agreement. The...
The right hon. Lady will be aware that there are court proceedings in relation to that issue that...
I rise to support new clause 1 and to agree with everything that the hon. Member for St Helens No...
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that this House has been quite patient on this issue, given t...
I agree entirely with the hon. Lady. It was six years ago that this House legislated for equal ma...
The right hon. Gentleman has outlined a history of events that is not correct. The Northern Irela...
The hon. Gentleman has made his points, and I read yesterday’s debate very carefully this morning...
The right hon. Gentleman outlined the problem in Northern Ireland as one in which those in same-s...
I strongly agree with the hon. Lady. This shows that people in Northern Ireland simply do not hav...
I was one of those who stood up and said that they had got it wrong. I got it wrong, and I now su...
I commend my hon. Friend for saying once again that he was wrong in opposing the same-sex marriag...
It is a genuine pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Arundel and South Downs (Nick Herber...
The hon. Lady knows where I stand on this issue, and my position is very different from hers. She...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for raising those issues, which are myths that need to be dispelled, a...
You have said many times, and it has caused distress, that a woman in Northern Ireland who is rap...
Order. You do not directly address another Member but address your comments through the Chair. Th...
Thank you, Dame Rosie.
It is simply not the case that people have not been prosecuted. A mo...
Will the hon. Lady give way?
Forgive me, but I have given way. I am conscious that other people want to speak in this debate. ...
I find myself in agreement with the concerns expressed by the Chair of the Women and Equalities C...
Does my hon. Friend recognise that treaty obligations are a matter for Parliament, so this is not...
I will come on to that point in considerable detail in my speech, if Members will bear with me.
I wish to touch on a point that was raised earlier. Does the hon. Lady agree that things are bein...
I absolutely agree. If Members will permit me, I will go into detail on those concerns.
Las...
Order. Before I call the shadow Minister, colleagues will be aware that a large number of people ...
I shall endeavour to make sure that everyone has time to speak, Dame Rosie.
The Opposition ...
I am grateful to the hon. Lady for allowing me to intervene at this early stage of her contributi...
As the hon. Lady knows, Labour was the architect of much of the devolution throughout the United ...
When we first started to debate these issues, I said to the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Stella C...
I wholeheartedly agree. I commend the hon. Lady and others. Women have travelled here to tell us ...
I am sure that the hon. Lady is aware that some of the people who have been identified as possibl...
The hon. Gentleman raises what is a hugely controversial subject, as he knows. I have met some of...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Bristol South (Karin Smyth). Having given a fairly...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I will not. Having given way many times yesterday, I just want to make my remarks today. The hon....
There is great dismay in Northern Ireland at the way a Bill described by the Chair of the Select ...
It kind of does.
The hon. Lady says from a sedentary position, “It kind of does.” If it kind of does, why are thos...
Looking around the Chamber, it strikes me that there are a number of people present who were not ...
And indeed, it is significant that some of those who are saying that they do not wish to see step...
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Well, the hon. Lady has just wandered into the Chamber, so I am not going to give way.
The ...
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
No. I have told the hon. Lady that I am not giving way. Despite the fact that SNP Members have ra...
In dealing with the overarching issue of the devolution settlement, does my right hon. Friend agr...
Yes, and the danger is that that has an impact on the talks that we are trying to progress to a s...
I believe that decisions regarding the law on abortion in Northern Ireland should be a matter for...
If that is so, why did Lady Hale say in the Supreme Court, when looking at whether this is incomp...
I am going to deal precisely with that point if my hon. Friend will be patient.
The process...
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
I had better keep going to obey your ruling, Madam Deputy Speaker, and I want to reply to this po...
I rise to speak to amendment 9, which has cross-party support. I was very pleased that the Chair ...
Will the hon. Lady give way?
I am going to carry on.
We have heard about the woman who had a self-induced abortion becau...
Will the hon. Lady give way?
I need to finish this point.
It is on that point.
I will give way, then.
I thank the hon. Lady for giving way. On the point about fatal foetal abnormality and the case in...
Today, we are looking at the opportunity we have with this Bill, and I think that most Members of...
I rise to speak in favour of amendment 9, the details of which have just been explained by the ho...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I will take one intervention, given that I have made so many myself.
It is also the case, as we have articulated—we have received thousands of emails from across Nort...
I understand the hon. Lady’s point, because when I visited Northern Ireland I received a few choi...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I said that I would take only one intervention, if the right hon. Gentleman does not mind.
...
It was Lord Palmerston who said that the Schleswig-Holstein question had only ever been understoo...
As Members of Parliament, we often meet people who have suffered deep trauma and have been throug...
Thank you, Dame Rosie, for giving me the opportunity to speak during the Committee stage of this ...
It is fair to say that we have entered into the substance of some of these issues here today, and...
My hon. Friend makes an appropriate point. Either we decide to direct-rule all powers in relation...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
I really do not have time. The hon. Member is a cousin of mine. She knows that I always want to g...
I really cannot.
The hon. Gentleman—
I really cannot. I always give way to you, and I really cannot.
I think the hon. Gentleman needs to—
Please.
Unfortunately, the hon. Member for Walthamstow (Stella Creasy) is not here at the m...
I have been an MP for 27 years and I was here for all the devolution legislation. I sat on the Op...
Thank you, Dame Rosie, for allowing us to make these points. I hope that we will be able to conti...
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak, Dame Rosie. I had intended to speak last night ...
It is not true to say that devolution does not exist in Northern Ireland. There are 11 district c...
I take the right hon. Gentleman’s point. I think he knows what I mean about that layer of governm...
I share the hon. Gentleman’s frustration. Does he agree that, if people in Scotland were then tol...
I would be incredibly frustrated by that. I will come on to the point about cherry-picking, which...
I rise to support new clause 1, along with amendment 9, tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for K...
I commend my hon. Friend on her perseverance over all these years of campaigning for this. Hopefu...
I thank my hon. Friend for those comments.
I want to address some of the comments made by M...
I rise to support new clauses 9, 10, 11 and 12 and to speak in favour of new clause 1 on the issu...
It will come as no surprise that I cannot support these amendments. I say that with respect to al...
I assure my hon. Friend that many people in Northern Ireland will be glad to hear him refer to th...
I thank my hon. Friend for what he says, which is exactly how I and many others feel. I am not af...
I seem to recall a campaign in Northern Ireland suggesting that 100,000 people were alive because...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention, and what he says is true—it is a fact. Those fig...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon), who spoke, as he always ...
On what trumps what and what is more important, issues with cross-party support that the Northern...
Let me agree with the hon. Gentleman partly. As I shall talk about in a moment, I do believe that...
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Let me finish this point then I will gladly give way.
My simple plea is that we must not le...
It should not be beyond the wit of man to devise a system where someone who has actually caused d...
I agree wholeheartedly with the hon. Gentleman. It should not be beyond the wit of man to create ...
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Pontypridd (Owen Smith). I rise to speak in suppor...
My memory might be vague, but my recollection is that the Northern Ireland Assembly itself voted ...
That is the point—at the moment, the legislation cannot be pushed through. The Assembly voted and...
The hon. Lady is of course absolutely right. We do not have a functioning Assembly. We have not h...
I thank the hon. Lady deeply for her intervention, and for her tireless work on this issue.
This has been a difficult debate because it has laid bare some fundamental differences in approac...
For the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever, the position is the same on our side.
That is a rare intervention from an Opposition Whip. I am delighted to hear that, as I am sure La...
I am most grateful to the Minister for giving way so early in his speech. In the light of the unt...
If the hon. Lady will possess her soul in patience, I will come to that important point later; I ...
The Minister talks about human rights versus the devolution settlement. Does he agree that what c...
Yes, I absolutely accept that there is great concern that by creating one list of amendments toda...
Can I check that, despite the technical warnings, which the Minister is probably quite right to i...
Absolutely. This is also a free-vote issue, so if this passes a vote it will go into law and beco...
I will give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Chelmsford (Vicky Ford), and then to the hon. Me...
New clause 10 says that the Government should implement the full CEDAW recommendations. The first...
I am not sure that I have time, but I could go through other technical concerns. That is only one...
Is it not the case that the way in which new clause 10 is drafted is very broad and covers all th...
As I mentioned in my response to new clause 1, it is entirely probable that it would not be possi...
Will the Minister confirm what I understand from his answer to my hon. Friend the Member for Chel...
No, I think I can probably reassure my right hon. Friend on that, but I would reaffirm to him tha...
Will the Minister give way?
I will give way once more, and then I really must make progress because I do want to get through ...
For the sake of clarification, the CEDAW report recommends the repeal of sections 58 and 59 of th...
As I understand it, if we repealed that, yes it would. However, I think the point has been made e...
Many Members have come into the House who have not had a chance to listen to the longer debate. I...
Dame Eleanor, I had probably better not try your patience by going through them all. We have acce...
I pay tribute to all those colleagues who have taken part in the debate; it was characterised by ...
On a point of order, Dame Rosie. I know we have very important subjects that Members are keen to ...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order. As I am sure he will appreciate, this is not r...
Further to that point of order, Dame Rosie. Have either you or Mr Speaker had any indication that...
I thank the hon. Gentleman for that point of order. The short answer is: no, I have not received ...
With this it will be convenient to discuss:
Clause 2 stand part.
Amendment 14, in cla...
Thank you, Dame Rosie; it is a pleasure to participate in this debate and to raise with the House...
I am extremely grateful to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for giving way. I pay tribute to ...
I agree with the hon. Lady. The process of debate is the process by which we continuously moderat...
I understand why my right hon. and learned Friend is speaking to amendments 15, 16 and 17, and I ...
Yes, and I will tell my hon. Friend exactly why. First, the amendments work in their own right, s...
I am sorry; let me phrase it in another way. Do these amendments, if moved and if passed, prevent...
If all the amendments, including new clause 14, were to be passed, yes, it would prevent this Hou...
The right hon. and learned Gentleman is absolutely right that the consequences for Northern Irela...
I find it very difficult to answer that question. I accept that, because of priorities in this Ho...
May I just take my right hon. and learned Friend back to the question he was asked a moment or tw...
Yes, I agree. It is perhaps, as lawyers would say, a moot point, but my view is that because it s...
As my right hon. and learned Friend knows, I have a great deal of sympathy with his position, but...
Yes, I do. I agree entirely, and we should try to avoid doing that, but for the reasons that I ha...
I am very sorry for intervening again, but I think that it may be important later in the other pl...
Yes, I do agree. That is certainly one of the reasons this should go to the other place. I slight...
Amendment 17 suggests that a motion be debated in this House and approved. We have seen in the pa...
If we are seeking ways to find daisy chains, I can assure my hon. Friend that there are probably ...
I rise to offer the SNP’s support for amendments 14 to 17, which stand in the name of the right h...
The right hon. and learned Member for Beaconsfield (Mr Grieve) has raised the issue of proroguing...
My hon. Friend, as per usual, makes a very good point. Obviously, we in the SNP support a written...
I rise to speak in support of amendment 6, which stands in my name and the names of my right hon....
indicated assent.
I am glad to see him nodding.
Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Of course I give way to the hon. Lady, just as I did 12 months ago to this day.
I am very grateful. Since the right hon. Gentleman’s amendment makes reference to “other security...
I am afraid that we have got into a situation where people in Northern Ireland have become, to so...
We have just had the conclusions of the legacy consultation and the release of a summary of the f...
I am so grateful to the hon. Lady, and delighted that I gave way to her, because she has put that...
I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way, and I congratulate him and others on t...
I thank my hon. Friend, who is an expert in these matters, for that perceptive observation. Certa...
I will give way only one more time, as other Members wish to speak.
I am exceedingly grateful to the right hon. Gentleman, who is being very generous indeed. I think...
I am not an expert on the subject, but I think that the numbers at the moment are very low, but t...
Will my right hon. Friend give way?
Very well, for the last time.
My right hon. Friend is very kind. I instinctively agree with the amendment that he has tabled. I...
I thought that by implication I had covered that point. The likelihood is that anyone before the ...
How can I refuse the hon. Gentleman?
The right hon. Gentleman has made a good point about the letters of comfort. I have to say that t...
That confirms the very point that I was making, and it is why the main purpose of the amendment, ...
I want to speak to the amendments tabled in my name and those of my right hon. and hon. Friends, ...
Does the right hon. Gentleman agree with me that this is part of an attempt at historical revisio...
The right hon. Gentleman has put the matter extremely eloquently and concisely, and he is absolut...
Does my right hon. Friend agree that it is deeply frustrating that we have made these arguments t...
I entirely agree with my hon. Friend, and I pay tribute to the work that she has done in this are...
I hope that the right hon. Member for Belfast North (Nigel Dodds) will forgive me if I do not add...
I rise very briefly to support the amendments moved by the right hon. and learned Member for Beac...
Let me begin by addressing the issues raised by the right hon. Members for New Forest East (Dr Le...
I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that the ICC, having been set up long after the troubl...
I did not necessarily automatically assume that the right hon. Gentleman was looking for retrospe...
The shadow Secretary of State started by saying that there cannot be moral equivalence between th...
I have no difficulty in agreeing with the hon. Lady. The Victims’ Commissioner has sought not to ...
I ask the hon. Member for Rochdale (Tony Lloyd)—my hon. Friend—to think very carefully about the ...
Is it not even more grotesque that these former soldiers can be summoned to an inquest or some le...
My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. The Ministry of Defence, and this country—our nation, o...
It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Moor View (Johnny Mercer), and...
Does my hon. Friend agree that this provides a really good opportunity for the British Government...
I agree absolutely, and Members who have followed my contributions on this issue over the past nu...
I thank my fellow member of the Defence Committee for giving way. Like him, I believe that it is ...
That is indeed correct. I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for his intervention, although it w...
I just want to add to the point that my hon. Friend is making. We have heard a lot from Oppositio...
I agree with my right hon. Friend, although in fairness, the comments that we were talking about ...
I rise briefly to speak to amendments 21 and 22, which are in my name. In relation to the report ...
I should probably start by formally begging to move that clauses 1 to 4 stand part of the Bill. I...
It is important to highlight what I believe is not an accurate description of the legal position....
I hope that the commitments I have just made and the words I was able to adduce have reassured th...
No, no—we do not clap. The hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North (Diana Johnson) deserves to b...
On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. Did the Member who shouted initially say, “Not moved”?...
I understand the point of order made by a long-serving Chief Whip, who understands these matters ...
For clarification, Madam Deputy Speaker, the amendment is moved formally. [Interruption.]
Order. No, we are having no confusion on this matter. We are starting this matter