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Devolution of Welfare

Backbench debate on Tuesday, 9 April 2019, in the House of Commons, led by John Lamont. The answering members were Lord Sharma and Mike Amesbury.
Motion that this House has considered the matter of devolution of welfare. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

658 cc1-27WH 

Session

2017-19

Chamber / Committee

Westminster Hall
Devolution of welfare
Monday, 8 April 2019
Research briefings

Proceeding contributions

John Lamont | 658 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered devolution of welfare.

It is a pleasure...

Jim Shannon | 658 c1WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman refers to how things work in other parts of the United Kingdom. The Northern I...


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John Lamont | 658 cc1-2WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a very important point about the importance of different Governments wit...

Stephen Kerr | 658 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

I compliment my hon. Friend on securing the debate. He has mentioned the investment that the DWP ...

John Lamont | 658 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very important point, and I am going to come on to that shortly. Clearly, ...

Kirstene Hair | 658 c2WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for bringing this incredibly important debate to this place. Does he agree...

John Lamont | 658 cc2-3WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point; I am going to expand on that a little further. Despite a...

Douglas Ross | 658 c3WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for securing this debate. I hope he agrees that it is very unfort...

John Lamont | 658 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. It is quite telling that there are only three SNP Member...

Neil Gray | 658 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

John Lamont | 658 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

I just want to make a bit more progress. [Hon. Members: “Oh!”] Fine, on you go.

Neil Gray | 658 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for giving way and commend him on securing this debate, as it will giv...

John Lamont | 658 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is doing his best to try to justify this, but the Secretary of State for Scotl...

John Lamont | 658 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State and other Ministers in this Government have been working hard, because we ...

Neil Gray | 658 c4WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being very generous with his time. Does he acknowledge the comments that ha...

John Lamont | 658 cc5-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that point, but it is astonishing—it is a Scottish Government timetable that ha...

Martin Whitfield | 658 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a very eloquent argument as to why the Scottish Government can pick ...

John Lamont | 658 c6WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that point. I support equalisation of pension age. This i...

Alison Thewliss | 658 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has been making great play of the fact that he has the border near his constit...

John Lamont | 658 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

I support the equalisation of the pension age. It is quite astonishing for the hon. Lady to almos...

Chris Stephens | 658 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Given that the hon. Gentleman is advocating his support for 1950s-born women, is he in favour of ...

John Lamont | 658 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

I support the changes. I have supported a number of my constituents. As I have said, the equalisa...

Clive Betts | 658 c7WH (Link to this contribution)

Seven Members wish to speak, so that is about five minutes each. That is guidance, not an absolut...

Ian Murray | 658 cc7-8WH (Link to this contribution)

It is great to see you in the Chair, Mr Betts. If the hon. Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and ...

Stephen Kerr | 658 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ian Murray | 658 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to do so just once.

Stephen Kerr | 658 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

Surely it is a good thing that there are now fewer children in workless households than ever befo...

Ian Murray | 658 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a fantastic thing, but it is bad that most of those children are in poverty when they were ...

Neil Gray | 658 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman will understand the difficulty and complexity of delivering a combined social ...

Ian Murray | 658 c8WH (Link to this contribution)

That is an interesting intervention. I admit I am not an expert on social security, and I would n...

John Lamont | 658 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ian Murray | 658 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not, because the Chair has said we have only five minutes.

I wanted to mention the W...

Bill Grant | 658 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this morning, Mr Betts. I thank my hon. Friend ...

Neil Gray | 658 c9WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentioned severe disablement allowance and he will be aware that no new recipi...

Bill Grant | 658 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

That is entirely up to the Scottish Government. It is devolved. It is another ball that they have...

Chris Stephens | 658 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

Would the hon. Gentleman be so kind as to give way?

Bill Grant | 658 c10WH (Link to this contribution)

No. My concern with the Scottish plan of action is that constituents complain about the public se...

Martin Whitfield | 658 cc10-2WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Betts. I congratulate both the Backbench Bu...

Stephen Kerr | 658 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Betts, and to follow the hon. Member for Ea...

Ross Thomson | 658 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right that the Scottish Government have not touched the powers. The nub of the ...

Stephen Kerr | 658 c12WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is correct; there is no issue that it is beyond the SNP’s powers to politicise and...

Neil Gray | 658 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman warns of the problems that his constituents could face if this system is not d...

Stephen Kerr | 658 c13WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is someone I respect, but we are talking about the Scottish Government’s willi...

Paul Sweeney | 658 cc13-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Betts.

I thank the hon. Member for Be...

Hugh Gaffney | 658 c15WH (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk (John Lamont) on securing t...

Paul Sweeney | 658 c15WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about the PIP points-based system staying the same. In ma...

Hugh Gaffney | 658 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

That is indeed something that the Scottish Government could do. They want to be the Scottish powe...

Clive Betts | 658 c16WH (Link to this contribution)

I am going to start the winding up speeches at 10.28 am.

10.22 am

Danielle Rowley | 658 cc16-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to speak in this debate and to be the first woman called. Although we have had some ...

Clive Betts | 658 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

We move on to the Front Benchers, who will each have 10 minutes. That will leave a couple of minu...

Neil Gray | 658 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much, Mr Betts. It is a pleasure to speak in this debate with you, my Finance Comm...

Stephen Kerr | 658 c17WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Neil Gray | 658 cc17-8WH (Link to this contribution)

At least let me get started.

With support from other parties and brilliant stakeholders in ...

Douglas Ross | 658 c18WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman speaks about delivering functions in Scotland. Could he perhaps advise Westmin...

Neil Gray | 658 c18WH (Link to this contribution)

I wish to put on record my congratulations to the hon. Gentleman and his wife on the safe deliver...

Ian Murray | 658 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

The narrative from the SNP Scottish Government has always been, rightly, about generating a new s...

Neil Gray | 658 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

That is not actually true, and the hon. Gentleman knows it. We have been campaigning very hard in...

John Lamont | 658 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

Last year, my hon. Friend the Member for Ayr, Carrick and Cumnock (Bill Grant) secured a debate o...

Neil Gray | 658 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I do. The hon. Gentleman is a former Member of the Holyrood Parliament, so he knows how quic...

Stephen Kerr | 658 c19WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Neil Gray | 658 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

No, I am answering the hon. Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk first. He does not appe...

Chris Stephens | 658 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

I have listened to this gang of Trumpists shout and bawl and try to shout people down. Does my ho...

Neil Gray | 658 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. He serves on the Select Committee on Work and Pensio...

Ian Murray | 658 c20WH (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Neil Gray | 658 cc20-1WH (Link to this contribution)

I am concluding.

The hon. Member for Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk also forgot to ment...

Clive Betts | 658 c21WH (Link to this contribution)

I call Mike Amesbury for the Opposition. [Interruption.] Order. Calm down a bit, please.

10...

Mike Amesbury | 658 c21WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Betts. It was almost a “Get the popcorn out...

Stephen Kerr | 658 c21WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a great disappointment that in a debate on such an important topic, the SNP Members—who are...

Mike Amesbury | 658 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman has made his point.

Mitigation is essential, and a lack of it is a cause...

Paul Sweeney | 658 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a powerful point about the absurdity, if the DWP is so evil and malevolent, ...

Mike Amesbury | 658 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

Yes; it is another failing of fine and warm words but nothing happening in reality.

While t...

Neil Gray | 658 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman rightly talks about the high poverty levels that we have throughout the United...

Mike Amesbury | 658 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

I know the hon. Gentleman will agree that a million people in poverty in Scotland is still shamef...

Mike Amesbury | 658 c22WH (Link to this contribution)

If I may continue, when we have seen SNP and Tory politicians working together, they have done so...

Paul Sweeney | 658 c23WH (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is being very generous with his time, and is making an excellent speech. We have t...

Mike Amesbury | 658 cc23-4WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for highlighting the excellent record of Labour in Scotland, campaigning t...

Lord Sharma | 658 cc24-5WH (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Betts. I congratulate my hon. Friend the Me...

Neil Gray | 658 c25WH (Link to this contribution)

The Minister is setting out well some of the areas where there has been good working between the ...

Lord Sharma | 658 c25WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. Over the past few years we have been working con...

Lord Sharma | 658 cc25-6WH (Link to this contribution)

I will not, if my hon. Friend does not mind, because time is short.

The hon. Member for Wea...

Clive Betts | 658 c26WH (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister and other colleagues for keeping within the time limit. John Lamont has a mi...

John Lamont | 658 cc26-7WH (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all hon. Members who contributed. It is telling that we had only one substantive...

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