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Northern Ireland (Executive Formation and Exercise of Functions) Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 24 October 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Karen Bradley. The answering member was Tony Lloyd.
Second reading. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

648 cc293-354 

Session

2017-19

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Proceeding contributions

Karen Bradley | 648 c293 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

I inform the House that the noble L...

Stephen Pound | 648 c293 (Link to this contribution)

Jonathan.


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Karen Bradley | 648 c293 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, Jonathan to you, Mr Speaker, I am sure.

I begin by inviting the House to join me in re...

Fiona Bruce | 648 c293 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State confirm that the Government’s purpose in bringing forward the Bill is...

Karen Bradley | 648 c294 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend sums up very well the intent of the Bill. It will enable civil servants to continu...

Lady Hermon | 648 c294 (Link to this contribution)

As the Secretary of State is well aware, the date of 26 March 2019 appears in clause 1. I am sure...

Karen Bradley | 648 c294 (Link to this contribution)

I will—[Interruption.] I am not having a good day, am I? [Interruption.] I thank the hon. Member ...

Lady Hermon | 648 c294 (Link to this contribution)

That is very helpful indeed. In fact, it is very succinct, and leaves a lot to the imagination. W...

Karen Bradley | 648 c294 (Link to this contribution)

I do not see this as a deadline as such; I see it as a date by which a decision will have to be t...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 648 c295 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State has made several references in her speech so far to the political hiatus. ...

Karen Bradley | 648 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I do not want to provide a running commentary on the talks I have had with parties since the talk...

David Simpson | 648 c295 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State accept that if an Assembly is to come back to Northern Ireland—and we...

Karen Bradley | 648 c295 (Link to this contribution)

I want to see a fully functioning, devolved Government as we have seen in the past, as that would...

Liz Saville Roberts | 648 cc295-6 (Link to this contribution)

Is cearta daonna iad cearta teanga agus tá cothrom na féinne tuilte ag lucht labhartha na Gaeilge...

John Bercow | 648 c296 (Link to this contribution)

I assume that that intervention contained a translation. That is my working premise—

Liz Saville Roberts | 648 c296 (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted to offer a translation if that would be sufficient.

John Bercow | 648 c296 (Link to this contribution)

I thought it had been offered, but if it has not been, I hope that the hon. Lady will indulge not...

Liz Saville Roberts | 648 c296 (Link to this contribution)

Language rights are human rights and the Irish speakers of Ireland deserve fair play.

Karen Bradley | 648 cc296-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is right that the St Andrews agreement includes a political declaration to legislat...

Lady Hermon | 648 c297 (Link to this contribution)

I admire the stamina and diligence that the Secretary of State has demonstrated in trying to achi...

Karen Bradley | 648 c297 (Link to this contribution)

I know that the hon. Lady feels strongly about that matter and she has raised it in the House on ...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 648 c297 (Link to this contribution)

Although I fully understand and appreciate the point made by the hon. Member for North Down (Lady...

John Bercow | 648 c298 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before the Secretary of State responds, let me say this in good humour, if I may. The hon....

Karen Bradley | 648 c298 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I could not have put it better myself.

The right hon. Member for Lag...

Emma Little Pengelly | 648 c298 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Secretary of State for her engagement on this issue. It will come as no surprise to h...

Karen Bradley | 648 c299 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Lady and her colleagues and members of all the main parties across Northern Irel...

Owen Smith | 648 c299 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is being very generous in giving way. From reading the Bill and listening ...

Karen Bradley | 648 c299 (Link to this contribution)

I was just about to say that I have published a draft copy of the guidance and placed it in the L...

Andrew Murrison | 648 c299 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Secretary of State say how many legal actions have been initiated in the few days since t...

Karen Bradley | 648 c299 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps it is best if I write to the Chair of the Select Committee with specific details, althoug...

Layla Moran | 648 c300 (Link to this contribution)

I had the privilege of visiting Lagan College, an integrated school in Belfast, and I would like ...

Karen Bradley | 648 c300 (Link to this contribution)

At the moment I need to get this legislation through, then I can bring the parties together. The ...

Paul Girvan | 648 c300 (Link to this contribution)

on the question of decisions and what are believed to be non-controversial issues, senior civil s...

Karen Bradley | 648 c300 (Link to this contribution)

It is precisely because of the uncertainty since the Buick judgment that we are bringing forward ...

Diana Johnson | 648 c300 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to be clear in my mind about what the Secretary of State is saying. I understand she ...

Karen Bradley | 648 c300 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady introduced her ten-minute rule Bill yesterday, and I know she is a campaigner on a ...

Vicky Ford | 648 c301 (Link to this contribution)

As I understand it, the Bill before us allows vital everyday public services to continue. I wonde...

Karen Bradley | 648 c301 (Link to this contribution)

I would strongly advise my hon. Friend to read the guidance, but she is right: the purpose of the...

Gregory Campbell | 648 c301 (Link to this contribution)

On enacting existing provisions, would the Secretary of State be able to explain something to me?...

Karen Bradley | 648 c301 (Link to this contribution)

It would not be right for me to answer definitively on any decision that a civil servant may make...

Owen Smith | 648 c301 (Link to this contribution)

I am a relative newcomer to this place—I have been here only eight years—but I have just been to ...

Karen Bradley | 648 c302 (Link to this contribution)

I have received a nod from the Box, which means that it is there, but we will check as to why it ...

Lady Hermon | 648 c302 (Link to this contribution)

Before the Secretary of State moves on, could she please give some hope and encouragement to the ...

Karen Bradley | 648 c302 (Link to this contribution)

This is a matter that I know the hon. Lady feels very deeply about, and it is the subject of one ...

Emma Little Pengelly | 648 c303 (Link to this contribution)

Issues relating specifically to the victims of historical institutional abuse, for whom I think w...

Karen Bradley | 648 c303 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes some interesting suggestions. This might be a topic on which we could engage ...

Lady Hermon | 648 c303 (Link to this contribution)

May I urge the Secretary of State please to agree to meet Judge Hart? She has rightly praised the...

Karen Bradley | 648 c304 (Link to this contribution)

I have met victims of historical abuse and heard their testimony. As the hon. Lady will know, whe...

Gavin Robinson | 648 c304 (Link to this contribution)

The Northern Ireland civil service should be engaging with a range of policy decisions, some of w...

Karen Bradley | 648 c304 (Link to this contribution)

As I have said, I want to see political engagement and political discussion—I think that that is ...

Anne Main | 648 c304 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is advancing a powerful defence of the reason she is not becoming involved i...

Karen Bradley | 648 c304 (Link to this contribution)

As I said, a number of amendments dealing with several matters have been tabled, including one sp...

Karen Bradley | 648 c304 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the right hon. Member for East Antrim, but then I must make progress.

Sammy Wilson | 648 c305 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State accept that while there may be some grandstanding today by Members wh...

Karen Bradley | 648 c305 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill will enable civil servants to act within the law as it stands today. It will not give th...

Karen Bradley | 648 c305 (Link to this contribution)

I give way one final time because I cannot resist the hon. Gentleman.

Owen Smith | 648 c305 (Link to this contribution)

How do I respond to that, Mr Speaker? I grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way one las...

Karen Bradley | 648 cc305-6 (Link to this contribution)

What I am saying is that the Bill does not enable that to be done. I am focusing on ensuring that...

Paul Masterton | 648 c306 (Link to this contribution)

All the appointments in the Bill are justice-based, and I completely take on board the point abou...

Karen Bradley | 648 cc306-7 (Link to this contribution)

We would use the power only if appointments were urgent and necessary. I would consult the main N...

Tony Lloyd | 648 cc307-311 (Link to this contribution)

May I begin by joining the Secretary of State in offering my condolences to the families of the v...

Nigel Mills | 648 c310 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman that we would all like to see action on those important issues. H...

Tony Lloyd | 648 cc310-2 (Link to this contribution)

In the past, previous Northern Ireland Secretaries have taken specific action from Westminster—no...

Nigel Mills | 648 cc312-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to be called in this important debate and am happy to support this Bill. The measur...

Sammy Wilson | 648 c313 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making some interesting suggestions as to how there could be some democrati...

Nigel Mills | 648 c313 (Link to this contribution)

I accept what the hon. Gentleman says and do not pretend that any of the solutions are easy. Such...

Gregory Campbell | 648 c313 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making some constructive suggestions, some of which have been made by some ...

Nigel Mills | 648 cc313-6 (Link to this contribution)

That was roughly what I was alluding to in my response to the previous intervention. If we can fi...

Gavin Newlands | 648 c316 (Link to this contribution)

I echo the comments of both Front Benchers on the Shankill bombing. I was 13 at the time, but I r...

Anna Soubry | 648 c316 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman share my concern that, apart from the hon. Member for North Down (Lady He...

Gavin Newlands | 648 c316 (Link to this contribution)

I wholeheartedly agree with the right hon. Lady. Sinn Féin’s decision not to use their voice is a...

Gregory Campbell | 648 c316 (Link to this contribution)

On the parties getting round the table to try to reach agreement, does the hon. Gentleman agree t...

Gavin Newlands | 648 c316 (Link to this contribution)

From the conversations I had in the past couple of days at BIPA, I can say that some have that de...

Anna Soubry | 648 c317 (Link to this contribution)

It is important that we make the record clear: just as among Conservative and Labour voters there...

Gavin Newlands | 648 c317 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the right hon. Lady for making that point, as I had not intended to portray it. ...

Gavin Newlands | 648 cc317-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am going to make some progress, and then I will come back to the right hon. Members.

The ...

Karen Bradley | 648 c319 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to what the hon. Gentleman is saying, but I wanted to make a point about...

Gavin Newlands | 648 c319 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the intervention from the Secretary of State, whom I am sure had to urge the hon. Me...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 648 cc319-320 (Link to this contribution)

Like the right hon. Member for Broxtowe (Anna Soubry), a majority of my constituents voted for Br...

Gavin Newlands | 648 c320 (Link to this contribution)

I disagree with the right hon. Gentleman. It is clear to most people in this Chamber that the ans...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 648 c320 (Link to this contribution)

I have now to announce the result of the Division deferred from yesterday. In respect of the ques...

Andrew Murrison | 648 cc320-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to speak in this Second Reading debate. May I start by expressing my admiration ...

Sammy Wilson | 648 c322 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman share my concern not only about the policies that the civil servants will...

Andrew Murrison | 648 cc322-3 (Link to this contribution)

With respect to the right hon. Gentleman, he is a little harsh on the Northern Ireland civil serv...

Lady Hermon | 648 c323 (Link to this contribution)

In relation to Brexit and the Secretary of State’s guidance following this legislation, would it ...

Andrew Murrison | 648 cc323-5 (Link to this contribution)

I usually agree with the hon. Lady and I agree with her on that point. Of course, the general pri...

Gavin Robinson | 648 c325 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for South West Wiltshire (Dr Murrison), the Chairman o...

Sammy Wilson | 648 c325 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is not fair that those Members of the Northern Ireland Assembly...

Gavin Robinson | 648 c326 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is entirely right. The majority of the 90 Assembly Members who have been elected t...

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 648 c326 (Link to this contribution)

Further to the point made by my right hon. Friend the Member for East Antrim (Sammy Wilson), in t...

Gavin Robinson | 648 cc326-7 (Link to this contribution)

That is an incredibly fair point to make, and I intend to address it later on. There has been a d...

Sammy Wilson | 648 c327 (Link to this contribution)

Is the worrying thing for my hon. Friend the fact that many of those 200 decisions are sitting th...

Gavin Robinson | 648 c327 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his comment. I think it fair to say that there are a range of...

Mike Penning | 648 c327 (Link to this contribution)

I will expand more on this in my speech, but this is a critical point to do with the civil servic...

Gavin Robinson | 648 cc327-8 (Link to this contribution)

That is a key consideration. The Bill does not insulate civil servants from the prospect of judic...

Lady Hermon | 648 c328 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for allowing me to follow up on that, since he referred to me...

Gavin Robinson | 648 c328 (Link to this contribution)

Those considerations are exactly the same ones that the hon. Lady will have had in the Northern I...

Gavin Robinson | 648 cc328-9 (Link to this contribution)

No date was ever discussed.

I see in the amendments tabled by the hon. Member for Amber Val...

Lady Hermon | 648 c329 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way again?

Gavin Robinson | 648 c329 (Link to this contribution)

I will just finish this point, if I may.

It is clear that the intransigence, stagnation and...

Lady Hermon | 648 c329 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for allowing me to intervene again. I asked about the ti...

Lindsay Hoyle | 648 c329 (Link to this contribution)

Don’t worry, I recognise that. I am not going to enter into Northern Ireland politics.

I ha...

Gavin Robinson | 648 cc329-330 (Link to this contribution)

I intend to speak, Mr Deputy Speaker, but you knew that anyhow.

I say respectfully to the h...

Gavin Robinson | 648 c330 (Link to this contribution)

You know I have to do so, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Emma Little Pengelly | 648 c330 (Link to this contribution)

I will be brief. My hon. Friend referred to the uncertainty about the transport hub in Belfast. D...

Gavin Robinson | 648 cc330-1 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely right. Mr Deputy Speaker, we gave time to my hon. Friend, but we have saved time on wh...

Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 648 c331 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very, very important point. The Bill really covers only the issue of Execu...

Gavin Robinson | 648 c332 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. The unexplained wealth orders are a key example of how we should have extension of th...

Gavin Robinson | 648 c332 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way one final time, Mr Deputy Speaker, so as not to encourage your ire.

Jeffrey M Donaldson | 648 c332 (Link to this contribution)

To assist my colleagues, I have withdrawn from the list of those wishing to speak in this debate,...

Gavin Robinson | 648 cc332-3 (Link to this contribution)

That is an important point to make, and that matter should be progressed.

I have a final, b...

Lindsay Hoyle | 648 c333 (Link to this contribution)

We have eight speeches to come, and about an hour to play with, so if speeches could be around se...

Mike Penning | 648 cc333-4 (Link to this contribution)

As one of two former Northern Ireland Ministers on the Government Benches, let me say that I know...

David Simpson | 648 c334 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman agree that it is time that we had a degree of honesty from Sinn Féi...

Mike Penning | 648 c334 (Link to this contribution)

That intervention is spot on, in many ways. It cannot be on one group’s terms. The Good Friday ag...

Mike Penning | 648 cc334-5 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way to the great Lady, simply because I know so many other colleagues wish to spe...

Emma Little Pengelly | 648 c335 (Link to this contribution)

As has been mentioned a number of times in this House, this week marks the 25th anniversary of th...

Mike Penning | 648 cc335-6 (Link to this contribution)

I completely agree with the hon. Lady. Sinn Féin sees their people who were doing those atrocitie...

Anna Soubry | 648 c336 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend makes a powerful point about the pursuit of people who should clearly not be...

Mike Penning | 648 c336 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps unusually, I agree with my right hon. Friend on nearly everything she says apart from her...

Mike Penning | 648 c336 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way, because the Deputy Speaker has already told me off once, but I will conclude...

Owen Smith | 648 cc336-7 (Link to this contribution)

This is the eighth or ninth time since devolution collapsed in Northern Ireland in January 2017 t...

Shailesh Vara | 648 c337 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Owen Smith | 648 c337 (Link to this contribution)

I would be delighted to give way to allow the Minister to explain.

Shailesh Vara | 648 c337 (Link to this contribution)

The guidance to the civil service was deposited in the Library on Monday, and it is also availabl...

Owen Smith | 648 cc337-8 (Link to this contribution)

All I can say is that I went personally to the Library and asked the staff, and asked them again,...

Lady Hermon | 648 c338 (Link to this contribution)

Let me remind the hon. Gentleman of a significant point that was made, in a very interesting spee...

Owen Smith | 648 cc338-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that that intervention is entirely pertinent to the point that I was making. Howeve...

Vicky Ford | 648 cc339-341 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to be brief, but this is a subject that I hold close to my heart. Let me start by sayi...

Emma Little Pengelly | 648 cc341-2 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to be relatively brief, because my hon. Friend the Member for Belfast East (Gavin Robi...

Bob Stewart | 648 c342 (Link to this contribution)

I was here for most of the first part of the debate, but I had to be away to attend a Committee. ...

Emma Little Pengelly | 648 cc342-4 (Link to this contribution)

I thank and agree with the hon. Gentleman.

I came in to work for and with Government back i...

Lindsay Hoyle | 648 c344 (Link to this contribution)

May I just say to the two gentleman that we need to bring on the Front Benchers just before quart...

Jim Shannon | 648 cc344-7 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to make a comment. First, let me thank the Secretary of S...

Paul Girvan | 648 cc347-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is with great sadness that we are here today, debating yet another Bill that should not have t...

Gregory Campbell | 648 c348 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend refers to our esteemed and brave members of the military. There is a lot of talk a...

Paul Girvan | 648 c348 (Link to this contribution)

I have to agree with my hon. Friend—that is 100% right. I am from a family who have been affected...

Stephen Pound | 648 cc348-350 (Link to this contribution)

During the course of this afternoon, two common threads have emerged that have run through all of...

Shailesh Vara | 648 cc350-1 (Link to this contribution)

May I start on a rather sad note? I extend my condolences and sympathies to Lord Caine, who is kn...

Shailesh Vara | 648 c351 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way this time, but I am mindful of my limited time.

Bob Stewart | 648 c351 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State mentioned that she was going to get the parties together. Have Ministers s...

Shailesh Vara | 648 cc351-3 (Link to this contribution)

There have been occasions when Sinn Féin representatives have turned up at meetings. I very much ...

Peter Dowd | 648 c353 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. During Prime Minister’s questions, the Prime Minister ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 648 c353 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman for his point of order. As he knows, and as Mr Speaker always says whe...

Simon Hoare | 648 c354 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. During Prime Minister’s questions today, th...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 648 c354 (Link to this contribution)

First of all, that was not further to the point of order. Just as the Chair has no responsibility...

Vicky Ford | 648 c354 (Link to this contribution)

Further to that point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. I, too, raise the point that the Leader of ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 648 c354 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a very important point, because we all rely on the Library to give us balance...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 648 c354 (Link to this contribution)

Do not interrupt me. We rely on the Library to give us balanced and entirely impartial informatio...

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