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National Security and Russia

Debate on Monday, 26 March 2018, in the House of Commons, led by Boris Johnson and Baroness May of Maidenhead. The answering members were Jeremy Corbyn and Emily Thornberry.
Motion that this House has considered national security and Russia. Agreed to on question.

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638 cc550-620 

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2017-19

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Oral evidence from the Foreign Secretary, March 2018.
Wednesday, 21 March 2018
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 cc551-2 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House has considered national security and Russia.

Three wee...

Desmond Swayne | 638 c552 (Link to this contribution)

Cabinet Ministers in this House defended Russia, despite the growing evidence of the enormity of ...


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Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 cc552-3 (Link to this contribution)

I can find no reason to attribute to the right hon. Member for Islington North (Jeremy Corbyn) fo...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 638 c553 (Link to this contribution)

I am very grateful to the Prime Minister for giving way. She will know that the 2015 strategic de...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c553 (Link to this contribution)

We have been looking at the overall question of the threats to national security; we do that with...

Liam Byrne | 638 c553 (Link to this contribution)

The Prime Minister will know that, since General Gerasimov updated the playbook of Russian active...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c553 (Link to this contribution)

We take very seriously the need to ensure that we keep our democracy safe and that we have free a...

Mark Francois | 638 c554 (Link to this contribution)

After Georgia, Crimea, Ukraine, Alexander Litvinenko and now Salisbury, I believe that we are ent...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c554 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right. As I said earlier, those expulsions have taken place no...

Madeleine Moon | 638 c554 (Link to this contribution)

At the NATO Parliamentary Assembly this weekend, the right hon. Member for Newbury (Richard Benyo...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c554 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady raises an important point. It is clear from the European Council that, within the E...

Andrew Murrison | 638 c554 (Link to this contribution)

Although the improvements at the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory Porton Down are very w...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c555 (Link to this contribution)

The important issue is that we retain the capabilities. Those capabilities may be retained in a s...

Bob Seely | 638 c555 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Prime Minister concerned as I and others in the House are that the Russians appear to be r...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c555 (Link to this contribution)

I know that my hon. Friend has particular knowledge and expertise on these matters. This is part ...

Jim Shannon | 638 c556 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Prime Minister for her speech to the House. Does she agree that, although a functioni...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c556 (Link to this contribution)

As I said earlier regarding our relations with Russia, we have no problem with the Russian people...

Catherine West | 638 c556 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Prime Minister for being so generous in taking interventions. What assessment have th...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c556 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is right that the British Council did extremely good work. As she will know, the Ru...

Rebecca Pow | 638 c556 (Link to this contribution)

The Prime Minister is being very generous in giving way. Given that the misinformation being spre...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 cc556-7 (Link to this contribution)

We do, of course, look at the resources that are provided to the BBC World Service; obviously, th...

Tom Tugendhat | 638 c557 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the position that the Prime Minister is laying out. She has my wholehearted sup...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c557 (Link to this contribution)

As I am sure my hon. Friend will know, the question whether there are certain media outlets such ...

Chris Bryant | 638 c557 (Link to this contribution)

The Prime Minister clearly knew that I was going to intervene the moment she mentioned finance. M...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c557 (Link to this contribution)

As I indicated in the previous debate on the statement, my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary i...

Chris Philp | 638 c558 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c558 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to make just a little more progress.

We have given our law enforcement agencie...

Chris Philp | 638 c558 (Link to this contribution)

Given the catalogue of outrages that the Prime Minister has outlined, could she confirm to the Ho...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c558 (Link to this contribution)

We have asked Foreign Ministers to look at what steps they think it is important for us to take. ...

Dominic Grieve | 638 c559 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with the approach that my right hon. Friend has adopted. She highlighted the abs...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 638 c559 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend is absolutely right about the importance of the alliance, both i...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 cc559-560 (Link to this contribution)

We must start with the events in Salisbury. What happened to Sergei and Yulia Skripal on 4 March ...

Michael Fallon | 638 c560 (Link to this contribution)

The Leader of the Opposition has condemned Russia’s retaliation, but he has not yet clearly and u...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c560 (Link to this contribution)

I have very clearly condemned what happened and those who perpetrated this attack.

On 14 Ma...

Alex Chalk | 638 c560 (Link to this contribution)

The people of the United Kingdom will want to know: does the right hon. Gentleman hold the Russia...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 cc560-1 (Link to this contribution)

I have already made that very clear.

I am asking for a clear commitment from the Government...

Vicky Ford | 638 c561 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Vicky Ford | 638 c561 (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to listen very hard to what the right hon. Gentleman is saying. Can he confirm that h...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c561 (Link to this contribution)

I made it very clear earlier in my speech what my position was, and I hope it is not the case tha...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 638 c561 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We cannot have both sides of the House shouting at the Leader of the Opposition. He must b...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c561 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the hon. Member for Chelmsford (Vicky Ford) is not trying to divert us away from a discuss...

Ben Bradshaw | 638 c561 (Link to this contribution)

Before more Conservative MPs stand up and ask their pre-prepared questions, they should listen ag...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c561 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for his intervention and for the serious and close interest he takes...

Dan Carden | 638 c561 (Link to this contribution)

There are a lot of people out there who are very grateful that my right hon. Friend has called on...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 cc561-2 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention, and I will discuss that organisation further...

Simon Clarke | 638 c562 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Leo Docherty | 638 c562 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c562 (Link to this contribution)

To that end, we applaud the Government’s decision to ask the Organisation for the Prohibition of ...

Mike Wood | 638 c562 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Leo Docherty | 638 c562 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 638 c562 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The right hon. Gentleman will give way when he decides to do so.

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c562 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

We hope that that will make it easier for the Government t...

Chris Bryant | 638 c562 (Link to this contribution)

I commend the Leader of the Opposition for what he said earlier today. One of the horrible ironie...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 cc562-3 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very helpful suggestion. Again, my hon. Friend has taken a long-term and serious intere...

Karen Lee | 638 c563 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend share the concern of my constituents about the fact that significant su...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 cc563-4 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that it was an incredibly expensive game of tennis with the Foreign Secretary. All I...

Lord Walney | 638 c564 (Link to this contribution)

I was not intending to intervene, but I cannot let that remark go by. I have been sitting here re...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c564 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his usual helpful intervention—thank you very much. [Interruption.]

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 638 c564 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The Leader of the Opposition must be heard. Questions have been asked of him, and he will ...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 cc564-5 (Link to this contribution)

Abuses of human rights anywhere in the world are wrong. On a delegation of all-party human rights...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

I hope the Prime Minister will take a lead on such a global initiative, which must happen—[Interr...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The right hon. Gentleman can choose from whom he wishes to take interventions; it is his b...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

In case Conservative Members did not hear, let me repeat that I hope the Prime Minister will take...

Mark Francois | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way so that we can have a robust dialogue on that point?

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

No.

The first issue is climate change. The Russian Government have clearly taken the view t...

Mark Francois | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Madam Deputy Speaker. You are of course quite right that the Leader of the O...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

That is certainly not a matter for me. I intend to make sure that this House and those who are pa...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

The second issue I want to raise is the nuclear deal with ...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way.

The third issue is of course—

Mark Francois | 638 c565 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c566 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way.

The third issue is, of course, the war in Syria, where Russia stan...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 638 c566 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I hesitate to interrupt the right hon. Gentleman, but I could hear something that sounded ...

Jeremy Corbyn | 638 c567 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker.

There are many in this House, including on the Benches beh...

Tom Tugendhat | 638 cc567-8 (Link to this contribution)

Madam Deputy Speaker, what a pleasure it is to serve under your chairmanship, particularly when w...

Leo Docherty | 638 c568 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is important to consider the fact that the Leader of the Opposi...

Tom Tugendhat | 638 c568 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, but he is slightly limited in what he said. He should have sa...

Chris Philp | 638 c568 (Link to this contribution)

The Leader of the Opposition, in his speech a moment ago, made reference to the 1930s and 1940s. ...

Tom Tugendhat | 638 c568 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right, although he will forgive me if I do not join in with the comp...

Simon Clarke | 638 c568 (Link to this contribution)

Had I had the opportunity to ask the Leader of the Opposition a question in an intervention I wou...

Tom Tugendhat | 638 cc569-570 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will not be at all surprised to hear that I am not only very glad that we have mai...

Ed Davey | 638 c570 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a very powerful speech with which I fully agree. When we were puttin...

Tom Tugendhat | 638 cc570-1 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman will know that I of course agree with him. Energy policy is essential to...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 638 c571 (Link to this contribution)

Order. As colleagues will see, we have a great many speakers this evening, so after the speech by...

Ian Blackford | 638 cc571-3 (Link to this contribution)

The events that took place in Salisbury are a defining moment for our relationship with Russia. W...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 638 c573 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend lament the fact that far too often we have to rely on countries such as...

Ian Blackford | 638 cc573-4 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly the point. We have lacked that maritime protection since 2012, and we have to dea...

Joanna Cherry | 638 c574 (Link to this contribution)

I see some looks of surprise on the faces of Government Members. Does my right hon. Friend agree ...

Ian Blackford | 638 c574 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. and learned Friend makes a very good point. I appeal to the Government. We are in their h...

Alan Duncan | 638 c574 (Link to this contribution)

I can confirm that the hon. and learned Member for Edinburgh South West (Joanna Cherry) is absolu...

Ian Blackford | 638 c574 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that response. He knows that I commit the SNP to working constructively ...

Hannah Bardell | 638 c574 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is making a powerful speech. On the matter of cultural and historical ties b...

Ian Blackford | 638 c575 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that important point. We need to extend that hand of f...

Michael Fallon | 638 cc575-6 (Link to this contribution)

I begin by paying tribute to my right hon. Friends on the Front Bench. They have met the challeng...

Edward Leigh | 638 c576 (Link to this contribution)

Does the former Secretary of State for Defence consider that spending 2% of our GDP on defence is...

Michael Fallon | 638 cc576-7 (Link to this contribution)

That is precisely the point that I am about to address. Russia is spending 5% of its GDP on conve...

Chris Bryant | 638 c577 (Link to this contribution)

I warmly commend everything that the right hon. Member for Sevenoaks (Sir Michael Fallon) has jus...

Alex Chalk | 638 c577 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that there is not just excessive violence, but excessive dishonesty...

Chris Bryant | 638 cc578-9 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. In relation to Ukraine, however, what angered me more tha...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 638 c579 (Link to this contribution)

On the defence side of what can be done, will the hon. Gentleman back the calls of myself and my ...

Chris Bryant | 638 cc579-580 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and, indeed, one of the first things I did when I knew about the incident in Salisbury was c...

Julian Lewis | 638 cc580-1 (Link to this contribution)

Near the end of the second world war, the joint intelligence sub-committee of the British Chiefs ...

Edward Leigh | 638 c581 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend the Chairman of the Defence Committee think that the way to defeat a mo...

Julian Lewis | 638 cc581-2 (Link to this contribution)

I would certainly say that it is part of a way forward.

I will use the generous extra minut...

Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 638 c582 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Speaking of generous extra minutes, I am afraid that after the next speaker, I shall be re...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 638 cc582-3 (Link to this contribution)

I was glad that the Prime Minister started this debate by articulating the fact that this Parliam...

Bob Seely | 638 c583 (Link to this contribution)

There is one gentleman—one Russian speaker —who mans that centre. I occasionally see him when he ...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 638 cc583-4 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s intervention highlights some of the issues around knowledge of the Russian F...

Mark Francois | 638 cc584-6 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to be called to speak in this debate, which is well timed following the appalling a...

Dan Carden | 638 c586 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to have the opportunity to speak in the debate. I am from a generation that was born...

Chris Bryant | 638 c586 (Link to this contribution)

I have been thinking about what my hon. Friend says about due diligence and due process, and of c...

Dan Carden | 638 c587 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with anything my hon. Friend says. The UK’s role as a beacon and a light of hop...

Jeremy Quin | 638 c587 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the hon. Gentleman recognises what happened to America in its relationship with Russi...

Dan Carden | 638 c587 (Link to this contribution)

I do not disagree with the hon. Gentleman about taking things at face value, but I believe that t...

Alex Chalk | 638 cc587-9 (Link to this contribution)

The barbaric attack in Salisbury marks a new low in relations between our nations. That is sad, b...

Ben Bradshaw | 638 cc589-590 (Link to this contribution)

May I start my remarks by repeating the welcome I gave to the Prime Minister earlier for the effo...

Dominic Grieve | 638 c590 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to give the right hon. Gentleman the assurance that it was the Committee’s intention ...

Ben Bradshaw | 638 cc590-1 (Link to this contribution)

That is extremely good news, and I very much welcome the fact that the right hon. and learned Gen...

Edward Leigh | 638 cc591-2 (Link to this contribution)

Since marrying my half-Russian wife 34 years ago in the Russian orthodox cathedral in Gunnersbury...

Bob Seely | 638 c592 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a series of important points and I am glad that he is making them. There are...

Edward Leigh | 638 cc592-3 (Link to this contribution)

No, they cannot imagine that because Kiev is the source of the Rus’ people and the thousand-year-...

Edward Leigh | 638 c593 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to conclude, but I shall take my right hon. and learned Friend’s intervention before ...

Dominic Grieve | 638 c593 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening carefully to my hon. Friend and think I share many of his sentiments, but the evid...

Edward Leigh | 638 c594 (Link to this contribution)

Of course, I would not want for a moment to disagree with my right hon. and learned Friend the Ch...

Edward Leigh | 638 c594 (Link to this contribution)

I must finish now.

There is a very sizable minority of people in those states who are not t...

Madeleine Moon | 638 cc594-6 (Link to this contribution)

I spent last weekend at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly gathering for the spring session in Vilni...

Bob Seely | 638 cc596-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is a privilege to follow the hon. Member for Bridgend (Mrs Moon).

Without sounding too d...

Vicky Ford | 638 c598 (Link to this contribution)

On misinformation, does my hon. Friend agree that money spent on negative messaging is much more ...

Bob Seely | 638 c598 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, my hon. Friend makes a good point. The Russian tactic is not to build up brand A as opposed ...

Lord Walney | 638 cc598-600 (Link to this contribution)

It has been a pleasure to listen to the real insight and knowledge that the new hon. Member for I...

Lindsay Hoyle | 638 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We will have to go down to a six-minute limit on speeches to accommodate everybody.

...

Mike Wood | 638 cc600-1 (Link to this contribution)

Three weeks ago, Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were attacked in the heart of our country....

Stephen Gethins | 638 cc601-2 (Link to this contribution)

I know this has been said by others, but it is worth repeating that Russia is a great country, an...

Patrick Grady | 638 c602 (Link to this contribution)

Do the complex challenges that my hon. Friend is laying out, and the different, complex responses...

Stephen Gethins | 638 c602 (Link to this contribution)

As usual, my hon. Friend makes an excellent point.

Stephen Gethins | 638 c602 (Link to this contribution)

We absolutely believe it. In these times, we should be investing in our security infrastructure a...

Julian Lewis | 638 c602 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman that now is not the time or place to renew the old debate about n...

Stephen Gethins | 638 cc602-3 (Link to this contribution)

What I will say to the right hon. Gentleman—this is why this debate is important—is that £160 bil...

Rebecca Pow | 638 cc603-4 (Link to this contribution)

The horrifying events that recently unfolded in Salisbury, just a short train ride from my consti...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 638 cc604-5 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the debate that we are having today on this very important issue. I was a bit disapp...

Stewart Malcolm McDonald | 638 c605 (Link to this contribution)

But does the hon. Gentleman agree that it was at least a tad naive to call for a sample of the ne...

Lloyd Russell-Moyle | 638 cc605-6 (Link to this contribution)

The important point was that a sample should go for independent verification and through all the ...

Lindsay Hoyle | 638 c606 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I have to reduce the time limit to five minutes to get everybody in.

9.9 pm

Paul Masterton | 638 cc606-8 (Link to this contribution)

The disgraceful chemical attack in Salisbury—which I believe is a slightly longer train ride from...

Rachael Maskell | 638 cc608-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to be called in such an important debate, and I want to start by putting on record ...

Vicky Ford | 638 cc609-610 (Link to this contribution)

I spent last weekend with a group of British and German MPs discussing, among other things, Russi...

Bambos Charalambous | 638 cc610-1 (Link to this contribution)

The first priority for this country has to be the safety and security of its people. When I was g...

Giles Watling | 638 cc611-3 (Link to this contribution)

I am exceedingly grateful for this opportunity to speak. This is a timely debate, and I am much s...

John Bercow | 638 c613 (Link to this contribution)

The winding-up speeches should begin at 9.40. I call Alberto Costa.

9.33 pm

Alberto Costa | 638 cc613-4 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I will be very brief. I want to put on record my complete support for the ...

John Bercow | 638 c614 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I am sorry but the hon. Gentleman has run out of time. We are immensely grateful and thank...

Emily Thornberry | 638 cc614-6 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. May I also thank the Government for holding this general debate ...

Tom Tugendhat | 638 c616 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted that the right hon. Lady has very kindly allowed me to reply to her slight. Does s...

Emily Thornberry | 638 cc616-7 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right about how racism and hatred develop, which is why it is always import...

Boris Johnson | 638 c617 (Link to this contribution)

This has been an extraordinary day when, across the world, Britain’s allies have proved that if i...

Rebecca Pow | 638 c617 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that it is a pity that some Opposition Members—notably the hon. M...

Boris Johnson | 638 c617 (Link to this contribution)

I very much agree with my hon. Friend. I should stress that those countries that have chosen to e...

Ben Bradshaw | 638 c617 (Link to this contribution)

I am one of those who has congratulated the Government on their achievements with this coalition,...

Boris Johnson | 638 c618 (Link to this contribution)

I respectfully say that the right hon. Gentleman’s criticisms might be directed elsewhere.

...

Boris Johnson | 638 c618 (Link to this contribution)

I give way with pleasure to the hon. Gentleman.

Lord Walney | 638 c618 (Link to this contribution)

The list of allies that have expelled diplomats is indeed impressive. Has the Secretary of State ...

Boris Johnson | 638 cc618-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am aware of the Iceland’s action. If we think about this action in the round, there has never b...

Leo Docherty | 638 c619 (Link to this contribution)

Conservative Members will welcome the Opposition’s somewhat tardy acceptance of Russian culpabili...

Boris Johnson | 638 c619 (Link to this contribution)

At this stage of the debate, all of us on both sides of the House will welcome as much unanimity ...

Chris Bryant | 638 c619 (Link to this contribution)

The most important thing in all this process is for us to be able to establish a unity of purpose...

Boris Johnson | 638 c620 (Link to this contribution)

Suffice it to say that I am very impressed with the level of support that the UK has got and is g...

Julian Lewis | 638 c620 (Link to this contribution)

With all these diplomats expelled, we will have to keep a much closer eye on Russia than ever bef...

Boris Johnson | 638 c620 (Link to this contribution)

We will be doing more to tackle disinformation in all sorts of ways, including by making sure tha...

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