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Broadcasting (Radio Multiplex Services) Bill

Debate on bills on Friday, 13 January 2017, in the House of Commons, led by Kevin Foster. The answering member was Matt Hancock.
Motion that the House sit in private. Negatived on question. Second reading. Agreed to on question. Bill committed to a Public Bill Committee.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

619 cc577-639 

Session

2016-17

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Broadcasting (Radio Multiplex Services) Bill 2016-17
Monday, 4 July 2016
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Kevin Foster | 619 c578 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

It is a pleasure to bring this Bill...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c578 (Link to this contribution)

Forgive me, but I am not a particularly clever man and I therefore have difficulty understanding ...


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Kevin Foster | 619 c579 (Link to this contribution)

FM is an analogue transmission, and most community stations currently broadcast on FM. With DAB, ...

Wendy Morton | 619 c579 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that community radio is an oft-forgotten layer? We hear about the big n...

Kevin Foster | 619 c579 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that interesting observation. In some cases, community radio can becom...

Rebecca Pow | 619 c580 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his clear explanation of the difference between digital and analogue. ...

Kevin Foster | 619 c580 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. One issue at the moment is that if a community radio station is looking to se...

Maggie Throup | 619 c580 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the rurality of an area is a problem in itself? It is about not ju...

Kevin Foster | 619 cc580-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to point out that geography and topography have a large impact on what ra...

David Nuttall | 619 c581 (Link to this contribution)

It is all very well my hon. Friend referencing commercial operations, but will he confirm whether...

Kevin Foster | 619 cc581-2 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will have read the Bill, and he will have seen that subsection (4)(c) of proposed ...

Rebecca Pow | 619 c582 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is being generous in giving way again. He sparks many memories from my long career...

Kevin Foster | 619 c582 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes the fantastic point that sometimes a community radio operation can take a br...

David Morris | 619 c582 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest, because I wrote songs in the 1980s. I do not know whether that has anythin...

Kevin Foster | 619 cc583-4 (Link to this contribution)

Just to be clear, the Bill makes no move towards turning the whole sector from analogue to digita...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c584 (Link to this contribution)

I am curious as to how much it would cost a community organisation to apply for a licence, becaus...

Kevin Foster | 619 c584 (Link to this contribution)

In terms of the process to apply, we must remember that this is mostly focused on the infrastruct...

David Nuttall | 619 c585 (Link to this contribution)

Can my hon. Friend explain the status of the 70 unique radio stations that, apparently, have spru...

Kevin Foster | 619 c585 (Link to this contribution)

At the moment, they are, in effect, operating under a trial basis that Ofcom has created. If the ...

Wendy Morton | 619 c585 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend say a few words about preparedness and whether the infrastructure is in place...

Kevin Foster | 619 cc585-6 (Link to this contribution)

The infrastructure currently is not in place, and we are dealing here with creating the licensing...

Kevin Foster | 619 c586 (Link to this contribution)

I will briefly give way, but I should start to make some more progress.

David Morris | 619 c586 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for being so generous in giving way, and I just want to clarify something....

Kevin Foster | 619 c586 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, and I thank my hon. Friend for making that point. As we have seen in the past, as things ...

Andrew Bingham | 619 c586 (Link to this contribution)

I declare an interest as the chairman of the all-party group on commercial radio. My hon. Friend ...

Kevin Foster | 619 cc586-7 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that yes, it would, although I have to be clear that the Bill will only set a...

Sarah Wollaston | 619 c588 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend on bringing forward this excellent Bill to broaden choice for commu...

Kevin Foster | 619 c588 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend and neighbour for that intervention. Hospital radio absolutely provides an...

Jo Churchill | 619 c588 (Link to this contribution)

In my office, I have a young lady who volunteers at her local hospital radio station. She said th...

Kevin Foster | 619 cc588-9 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for such a passionate intervention on behalf of hospital radio stations. I...

Rebecca Pow | 619 c589 (Link to this contribution)

If my hon. Friend is saying that the taxpayer will not have to fund these mini-multiplexes, where...

Kevin Foster | 619 cc589-591 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for her helpful intervention. In essence, it would be similar to how FM tr...

Pauline Latham | 619 c591 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Torbay (Kevin Foster) on making such an informed spe...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c591 (Link to this contribution)

It is because they have resigned.

Pauline Latham | 619 c591 (Link to this contribution)

Resigned, yes.

Every constituency could be affected by this sensible Bill. I also pay tribu...

Jo Churchill | 619 c591 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend not surprised that there is not broader interest in this important matter acros...

Pauline Latham | 619 c592 (Link to this contribution)

It is disappointing, but of course there are never that many Members here on a Friday; traditiona...

Pauline Latham | 619 c592 (Link to this contribution)

Would my hon. Friend like to intervene?

David Nuttall | 619 c592 (Link to this contribution)

I would just like my hon. Friend to reflect on the fact that Parliament is sitting. There is no s...

Pauline Latham | 619 cc592-3 (Link to this contribution)

I know that my hon. Friend is usually here on a Friday, and I have to say that I am guilty, as ar...

Seema Kennedy | 619 c593 (Link to this contribution)

Talking about community radio stations, which sometimes have dwindling audience numbers, does my ...

Pauline Latham | 619 c593 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree. For instance, the Derby Telegraph is sadly losing its readership, despite being...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c593 (Link to this contribution)

Many local newspapers are now trying to move firmly towards much more activity online. Does my ho...

Pauline Latham | 619 cc593-4 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I am sure that that would be the case. I thank my hon. Friend for intervening at that point....

Seema Kennedy | 619 c594 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way again; she is being very generous. We have talked about hos...

Pauline Latham | 619 cc594-5 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. It could also be used as part of a degree ...

David Nuttall | 619 c595 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure, as always, to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Mid Derbyshire (Paulin...

Wendy Morton | 619 c595 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend think that another opportunity for the provisions in this legislation would h...

David Nuttall | 619 c595 (Link to this contribution)

It would seem that the nature of what is in this Bill could have been included in the Digital Eco...

Kevin Foster | 619 c595 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the bonus of this aspect of the law being dealt with via the priva...

David Nuttall | 619 c596 (Link to this contribution)

My view is that the matter could have been dealt with, without any undue side effects, in the Dig...

David Nuttall | 619 c596 (Link to this contribution)

It is. For it to be of any use at all to man or beast, the Minister and his team at the Departmen...

Rebecca Pow | 619 c596 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has sparked my interest. Will he share with us what sort of radio stations he list...

David Nuttall | 619 c596 (Link to this contribution)

Well, I will be honest: it is usually Radio 4, Radio 5 or Radio 5 live sports extra, particularly...

Matt Hancock | 619 c596 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend not think that many people also carry digital radios with them wherever they ...

David Nuttall | 619 cc596-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that is not the case.

In her most recent intervention, my hon. Friend the Member ...

Kevin Foster | 619 c597 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that one of the biggest changes that has happened since Parliament last...

David Nuttall | 619 cc597-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, the promoter of the Bill, is absolutely right: there has been an enormous increas...

Kevin Foster | 619 c598 (Link to this contribution)

What I would emphasise—I am sure my hon. Friend looked at this in reading the Bill—is that the cl...

David Nuttall | 619 cc598-9 (Link to this contribution)

I accept that. In making that intervention, my hon. Friend draws attention to another point I was...

David Morris | 619 c599 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the whole point of this Bill is to enable smaller multiplexes to b...

David Nuttall | 619 c599 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I do agree—that is exactly what the Bill seeks to do. However, as I said, the Bill, of itsel...

Seema Kennedy | 619 cc599-600 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friend the Member for Torbay (Kevin Foster) on bringing forward this Bill....

Wendy Morton | 619 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the switchover in Norway is an opportunity for us, as a country, t...

Seema Kennedy | 619 c600 (Link to this contribution)

That is an excellent point. Of course, we have huge geographical and demographic differences with...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Is perhaps the reason Norway is moving away from any analogue form of radio that it does not broa...

Seema Kennedy | 619 c600 (Link to this contribution)

Probably, although I would not dare to make any comment on cricket to my hon. Friend.

Jo Churchill | 619 c600 (Link to this contribution)

The game of cricket provides the perfect example for our approach to this situation. We are quite...

Seema Kennedy | 619 cc600-1 (Link to this contribution)

There are so many cricketing metaphors that I could use, but I had better not. I agree with my ho...

Wendy Morton | 619 c601 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for being so generous in giving way this morning. She is touching on the v...

Seema Kennedy | 619 c602 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend anticipates the next part of my speech. It is almost as though she had seen it in ...

Rebecca Pow | 619 c602 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some valid points about radio acting as a friend. I know that many elder...

Seema Kennedy | 619 cc602-3 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, with her history in broadcasting, knows about this only too well. Local radio pla...

David Morris | 619 c603 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for South Ribble (Seema Kennedy) and I congr...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c603 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend still get royalties?

Lindsay Hoyle | 619 c603 (Link to this contribution)

Order. If Mr Colvile is to ask a question like that, he has to name the tune he is referring to.<...

David Morris | 619 c603 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Digital radio affects areas of the UK that should have been h...

Jo Churchill | 619 c603 (Link to this contribution)

Today of all days, I should like to reiterate how important that last point is. On the east coast...

David Morris | 619 c604 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend and thank her for that helpful intervention, which leads me to what h...

Kevin Foster | 619 c604 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend refers to what the right hon. Member for Leigh (Andy Burnham) suggested when he wa...

David Morris | 619 c604 (Link to this contribution)

I totally agree. I pay homage to my hon. Friend for his research on the Bill and for speaking for...

Rebecca Pow | 619 cc604-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Morecambe and Lunesdale (David Morris). It...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c605 (Link to this contribution)

I confess that I drive to and from my constituency for two reasons: I want to listen to the crick...

Rebecca Pow | 619 cc605-7 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome that intervention, because I am a complete Radio 4 addict. I listen to the World Servic...

Seema Kennedy | 619 c606 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the Bill could enable these hyper-local radio stations to be a sub...

Rebecca Pow | 619 cc606-8 (Link to this contribution)

That is a valid point. The Wiveliscombe station transmits to only 10 parishes, but it provides an...

Oliver Colvile | 619 cc608-610 (Link to this contribution)

I have not yet listened to the omnibus edition of “The Archers”, although I have tried quite hard...

Kevin Foster | 619 c610 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that my hon. Friend will be reassured to hear that, when Ofcom carried out its trials, man...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c610 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention.

It is important that we develop an infrastruc...

Maggie Throup | 619 c610 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport (Oliver C...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c611 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend aware of a wonderful organisation called Archers Anarchists, whose members beli...

Maggie Throup | 619 cc611-3 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. I was not aware of that, but I am not surprised.

Wendy Morton | 619 cc613-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Erewash (Maggie Throup), who talked with...

Kevin Foster | 619 c614 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the focus here is on giving an option for community stations to go...

Wendy Morton | 619 c615 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful again to my hon. Friend for giving us all that welcome reassurance.

There are...

Lindsay Hoyle | 619 c615 (Link to this contribution)

In Chorley FM country we get the perfect wavelength.

Wendy Morton | 619 cc615-6 (Link to this contribution)

That cliff-edge contrasts with FM, which becomes slightly fuzzy as the signal begins to be lost. ...

Tom Pursglove | 619 cc616-8 (Link to this contribution)

It is my great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Aldridge-Brownhills (Wendy Morton...

Kevin Foster | 619 c618 (Link to this contribution)

Were any of those favourite songs written by our hon. Friend the Member for Morecambe and Lunesda...

Tom Pursglove | 619 cc618-9 (Link to this contribution)

Shamefully, I am not aware of any of the songs written by our hon. Friend, and I was very disappo...

Jo Churchill | 619 c619 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent point about the value of community radio in his constituenc...

Tom Pursglove | 619 c620 (Link to this contribution)

I completely share my hon. Friend’s sentiments. In Bury St Edmunds, rather like in Corby and east...

Andrew Bingham | 619 cc620-1 (Link to this contribution)

We have heard a lot today about local community radio, and I want to endorse a lot of that and to...

Andrew Bingham | 619 cc621-2 (Link to this contribution)

Actually, I was referring to the former Member for Sedgefield and the former Member for Witney, b...

Andrew Bingham | 619 c622 (Link to this contribution)

Ah—my friend with the hedgehog is back.

Oliver Colvile | 619 c622 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend may recall that he organised a game of cricket up in Burton which I was delighted ...

Andrew Bingham | 619 cc622-3 (Link to this contribution)

That is right, although I must correct my hon. Friend: it was actually in Buxton, which, by the w...

Pauline Latham | 619 c623 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is talking about the fact that people can advertise on these radio stations. Has h...

Andrew Bingham | 619 c623 (Link to this contribution)

I have considered advertising in elections on many things. I have had my name on buses, for insta...

Kevin Foster | 619 c623 (Link to this contribution)

I am very much enjoying my hon. Friend’s remarks. He will be aware that the rules for political p...

Andrew Bingham | 619 c624 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, and it must remain so.

If we can give local stations a low-cost option to move on to d...

Rosena Allin-Khan | 619 cc624-6 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the hon. Member for Torbay (Kevin Foster) on the Bill. It intends to allow Ofcom t...

Kevin Foster | 619 c626 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the broad thrust of the shadow Minister’s remarks, which appear to be supportive. She r...

Rosena Allin-Khan | 619 c626 (Link to this contribution)

I have not personally met the providers as I am the shadow Minister for Sport, but my shadow DCMS...

Rosena Allin-Khan | 619 cc626-7 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to differ and will make progress.

As I have said, the majority of operators had suita...

Nick Smith | 619 c627 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that community radio is great for local news and may benefit enormously...

Rosena Allin-Khan | 619 c627 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. We wholeheartedly support the Bill for that reason. I thank my hon. Friend for his ar...

Edward Argar | 619 cc627-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure, tempered only slightly by the small element of party politics injected into wha...

Kelly Tolhurst | 619 cc629-630 (Link to this contribution)

I am very pleased to be following my hon. Friend the Member for Charnwood (Edward Argar), who has...

Rebecca Pow | 619 c630 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful case. Does she agree that local radio stations, such as BBC S...

Kelly Tolhurst | 619 c631 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a wonderful point. She is absolutely correct. That is the beauty of small co...

Jo Churchill | 619 cc631-2 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Rochester and Strood (Kelly Tolhurst) for her speech. I con...

Jo Churchill | 619 c633 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, excessive speed. Well done. Once again, my hon. Friend comes to my rescue.

The last sp...

Rebecca Pow | 619 c633 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an exceedingly powerful point. About a year ago, I mentioned in this Cha...

Jo Churchill | 619 c633 (Link to this contribution)

I readily agree, and congratulate my hon. Friend on getting included in the autumn statement the ...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c633 (Link to this contribution)

I am told that BBC Radio Hereford & Worcester has not yet been mentioned in the debate; I want to...

Jo Churchill | 619 cc633-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to give my hon. Friend the chance to have those words written in Hansard.

Ma...

Jo Churchill | 619 c634 (Link to this contribution)

I do know the difference—vaguely.

A radio is not only a piece of technical equipment but a ...

Matt Hancock | 619 cc634-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure and an honour to be called to the Dispatch Box to respond to this debate.

...

Oliver Colvile | 619 c636 (Link to this contribution)

I must say that I, too, was deeply surprised. My right hon. Friend might also recall that althoug...

Matt Hancock | 619 c636 (Link to this contribution)

I have no doubt that all 19 million were totally astonished. It just shows that if you put on wha...

Andrew Bingham | 619 c636 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister recall that I was actually commentating for Indian television when my hon. Frie...

Matt Hancock | 619 cc636-8 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I remember that. On a slightly more serious note, I think there was a reason why 19 million ...

Kevin Foster | 619 c638 (Link to this contribution)

With the leave of the House, may I thank all Members, and particularly the Minister and the shado...

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