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Small Charitable Donations and Childcare Payments Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 11 October 2016, in the House of Commons, led by Jane Ellison. The answering members were Rob Wilson and Rebecca Long Bailey.
Second reading. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on Committal, on proceedings in Public Bill Committee, on consideration and Third reading, and other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Money resolution. Queen's recommendation signified. Agreed to on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

615 cc213-253 

Session

2016-17

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Small Charitable Donations and Childcare Payments Bill 2016-17
Wednesday, 14 September 2016
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

John Bercow | 615 c213 (Link to this contribution)

If colleagues who are leaving, unaccountably, could do so quickly and quietly, that would be grea...

Jane Ellison | 615 cc213-4 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

I obviously welcome the number of c...


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James Duddridge | 615 c214 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for giving way before going into more detail. I fully appreciate the need ...

Jane Ellison | 615 c214 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to suggest that we are seeking as much simplicity as we can get, but I wi...

James Morris | 615 c214 (Link to this contribution)

Small charities in my constituency include the Leasowes walled garden project, which is part of t...

Jane Ellison | 615 cc214-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend might be interested to know that Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs has a team that...

James Duddridge | 615 c215 (Link to this contribution)

While I fully support the point that the Minister makes, I can conceive of a time when it is deci...

Jane Ellison | 615 cc215-6 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly, all the points that colleagues make on Second Reading will be carefully considered and d...

Nigel Mills | 615 c216 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome that decision by the Government. I should say, as I tabled an amendment to the original...

Jane Ellison | 615 c216 (Link to this contribution)

Text messages can, as my hon. Friend knows, be gift aided, so we do not expect problems in that r...

Martin Docherty-Hughes | 615 c216 (Link to this contribution)

I support the Bill, and I am grateful to the Minister for her explanation, but does she accept th...

Jane Ellison | 615 cc216-7 (Link to this contribution)

Perhaps that is something that we can look at in more detail in Committee.

These are import...

Dan Poulter | 615 c217 (Link to this contribution)

There is a lot of merit in the Bill, which reaches out to ensure that smaller charities benefit f...

Jane Ellison | 615 cc217-8 (Link to this contribution)

I have already mentioned HMRC’s outreach work, which I will certainly be encouraging. More promot...

Mark Durkan | 615 c218 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Minister confirm that what she has said is that credits will be available for each child,...

Jane Ellison | 615 cc218-9 (Link to this contribution)

I might have to come back to the hon. Gentleman on the latter point about the comparison, because...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 615 cc219-221 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to debate opposite the Minister today, as always.

The Bill primarily makes...

James Duddridge | 615 c220 (Link to this contribution)

Quite often in these debates, we hear the House of Commons Library quoted, but very rarely do we ...

Rebecca Long Bailey | 615 c220 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly would. If the hon. Gentleman contacts my office directly, I shall be happy to have a ...

Caroline Spelman | 615 cc220-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have to declare an interest, as I am sure will many Members who are present, as a Member of Par...

Kirsty Blackman | 615 cc223-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am a fairly new Member of Parliament and was not here when the Small Charitable Donations Act 2...

Dan Poulter | 615 c224 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady is making a thoughtful and constructive speech and highlights some of the challenge...

Kirsty Blackman | 615 cc224-6 (Link to this contribution)

I would worry about the unintended consequences for anti-fraud legislation—I would not want to sc...

James Duddridge | 615 c226 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker; it is great to catch your eye. It has been a while since I spoke fr...

Fiona Bruce | 615 c226 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend not agree that there are some tremendous small charities founded in our commu...

James Duddridge | 615 cc226-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for pulling me up. In fact, round the corner from my office is a charity t...

Rob Wilson | 615 c227 (Link to this contribution)

It would probably help my hon. Friend to know that we have reformed the self-regulation of charit...

James Duddridge | 615 cc227-8 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for that; perhaps he will take this as a complaint from a humble member of...

Michael Tomlinson | 615 c228 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an amusing but serious point. If I am fortunate enough to catch your eye...

James Duddridge | 615 c228 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with my hon. Friend that some charities are struggling and that there is a const...

Richard Graham | 615 c228 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a series of good points about the impact that the Bill could have on sma...

Lindsay Hoyle | 615 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I know that the hon. Gentleman is doing a Whip’s job, and I do not mind that, but what we ...

James Duddridge | 615 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, My hon. Friend suffers from having far too many ideas, and I look f...

Lindsay Hoyle | 615 c229 (Link to this contribution)

Order. It might help if we heard them over a period rather than all in one go. That would help th...

James Duddridge | 615 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry, Mr Deputy Speaker. I in no way meant to challenge your ruling, but I did want to deal...

James Duddridge | 615 c229 (Link to this contribution)

One of our excellent Ministers leaps to her feet.

Jane Ellison | 615 c229 (Link to this contribution)

I hope I can reassure my hon. Friend and, indeed, the whole House that this is a very positive me...

James Duddridge | 615 c229 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister takes me back to my own bob-a-job days in the Scouts. There was the Whip thinking th...

Richard Graham | 615 c230 (Link to this contribution)

Contrary to what has been suggested, Mr Deputy Speaker, this is not a bob-a-job contribution. Doe...

James Duddridge | 615 c230 (Link to this contribution)

Another point is that charitable giving then begins to be inculcated in young people in particula...

Michael Tomlinson | 615 c230 (Link to this contribution)

Before my hon. Friend moves on from the question of cash amounts, does he agree that £20 is a sen...

James Duddridge | 615 c230 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know how to say this gently—no, I do not think that that is a sensible amount. I underst...

Michael Tomlinson | 615 c230 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for being patient about this point. Can he not see that the amoun...

James Duddridge | 615 c231 (Link to this contribution)

To review is sensible, but I think that the process should be carried out periodically to take ac...

Susan Elan Jones | 615 cc231-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Rochford and Southend East (James Duddridge)...

Rebecca Pow | 615 c232 (Link to this contribution)

I am very pleased to follow the hon. Member for Clwyd South (Susan Elan Jones) who made some very...

Michelle Donelan | 615 c232 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that it is fantastic that the changes in the Bill also include communit...

Rebecca Pow | 615 c232 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome that intervention. I will come on to sports clubs. I know that my hon. Friend is sporty...

Rebecca Pow | 615 c233 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I will give way to another hon. Friend from the west country.

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 615 c233 (Link to this contribution)

While my hon. Friend is on about sport, may the Bill not help Somerset win the county championshi...

Rebecca Pow | 615 c233 (Link to this contribution)

I know that my hon. Friend was down at the county ground not very long ago, because I had so many...

Chris Green | 615 c233 (Link to this contribution)

This is not just about fantastic sporting charities. I am sure that colleagues will be able to li...

Rebecca Pow | 615 c233 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend. I will come on to a bit in my speech about that because I want to me...

Rebecca Pow | 615 cc233-5 (Link to this contribution)

Would my hon. Friend mind if I ploughed on just for a minute? I will lose my train of thought. Wo...

Mark Durkan | 615 cc235-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Taunton Deane (Rebecca Pow), who rightly says that...

Susan Elan Jones | 615 c236 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend remember that among the examples of charities that the small charitable donat...

Mark Durkan | 615 cc236-7 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, the hon. Lady is exactly right. Members in all parts of the Committee raised many pertinent,...

Fiona Bruce | 615 cc237-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Foyle (Mark Durkan). He and I often have many comm...

David Warburton | 615 cc239-240 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to support a Bill that, although pretty straightforward and simple in outlook, a...

Ranil Jayawardena | 615 cc240-2 (Link to this contribution)

It gives me great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Somerton and Frome (David Warb...

Michael Tomlinson | 615 c242 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for North East Hampshire (Mr Jayawarde...

Kevin Foster | 615 c242 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is giving an excellent speech. Does he agree that the key point to remember is tha...

Michael Tomlinson | 615 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I could not agree more with my hon. Friend, who makes an excellent point. The Bill will help all ...

Maggie Throup | 615 c243 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point about cutting bureaucracy and time. Often, small charitie...

Michael Tomlinson | 615 c243 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for my hon. Friend’s timely intervention and will come to exactly that point in one...

Chris Green | 615 cc243-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow so many fantastic contributions from Members on both sides of the Hous...

Michelle Donelan | 615 c244 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the scrapping of the two-year rule will prove invaluable for new c...

Chris Green | 615 c244 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely with my hon. Friend. In that sense, charities are a little bit like small busine...

Maggie Throup | 615 c244 (Link to this contribution)

When my hon. Friend goes to different events across his constituency, does he find that the same ...

Chris Green | 615 c244 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely; I agree entirely. I was just thinking about the fantastic work done, often in hazardo...

Kevin Foster | 615 c245 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks about how charities are supported by volunteers and professionals working to...

Chris Green | 615 c245 (Link to this contribution)

I agree entirely. That support network is often vital and it really sustains people. People who r...

Peter Dowd | 615 cc245-6 (Link to this contribution)

May I begin by thanking all hon. Members who have made such valuable contributions to today’s deb...

Kevin Foster | 615 c246 (Link to this contribution)

Does the shadow Minister agree that the call should be to ensure that the appropriate due diligen...

Peter Dowd | 615 cc246-8 (Link to this contribution)

I completely understand that. At the end of the day, the process has to be sufficiently robust to...

Rob Wilson | 615 c247 (Link to this contribution)

I think you will agree, Mr Speaker, that this has been an entertaining and enlightening debate. S...

Kevin Foster | 615 c247 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister mentions the benefit to charities of what are effectively business rate exemptions. ...

Rob Wilson | 615 c249 (Link to this contribution)

I have not had a chance to look into it myself, but I am sure that the Financial Secretary will b...

Kirsty Blackman | 615 c249 (Link to this contribution)

The changes in the eligibility criteria will make things easier for the charities that already cl...

Rob Wilson | 615 cc249-250 (Link to this contribution)

I think that the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. We constantly keep these matters und...

Kirsty Blackman | 615 c250 (Link to this contribution)

On the point about charities acting fraudulently, does the Minister not see that the charities th...

Rob Wilson | 615 cc250-2 (Link to this contribution)

I want to stay on the subject of fraud, because we must guard carefully against it in the legisla...

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