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European Union (Finance) Bill

Debate on bills and Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Tuesday, 23 June 2015, in the House of Commons, led by David Gauke.
Committee stage. Clause 1 discussed with new clauses 1 to 3. Agreed to on question. Amendment to clause 2 negatived on division (254 to 301). Bill reported without amendment. Third reading. Agreed to on question. Bill passed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

597 cc759-866 

Session

2015-16

Department

Treasury

Legislative stage

Committee stage, Third reading and Report stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
European Union (Finance) Bill 2015-16
Wednesday, 3 June 2015
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Gary Streeter | 597 cc760-1 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss the following:

Amendment 1, in clause 2, page 1,...

David Gauke | 597 c761 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this afternoon, Mr Streeter. Clause stand...


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Lord Soames of Fletching | 597 c761 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend confirm that GNI is assessed in the same way across the whole Community?

David Gauke | 597 c761 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, it is. My right hon. Friend raises an important point and I suspect that he has in mind the ...

Alex Salmond | 597 c762 (Link to this contribution)

The various agreements have been described as a considerable achievement. Under pillar two and th...

David Gauke | 597 c762 (Link to this contribution)

I would certainly make it very clear that there was a considerable achievement in the 2013 negoti...

Simon Hoare | 597 c762 (Link to this contribution)

I note the irony that the House of Commons Library published its briefing paper on the Bill on th...

David Gauke | 597 c762 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. I am keen to make that commitment and I am grateful to my hon. Friend for making that...

David Gauke | 597 c762 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, because I believe that he participated in that debate.

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Kelvin Hopkins | 597 cc762-3 (Link to this contribution)

Following on from the point made by the hon. Member for North Dorset (Simon Hoare), I have said m...

David Gauke | 597 c763 (Link to this contribution)

First, I acknowledge the consistency with which the hon. Gentleman has approached these issues. I...

David Gauke | 597 c763 (Link to this contribution)

I will touch on the smaller changes to the own resources decision in a moment, but first it gives...

Oliver Dowden | 597 c763 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Government on their success in keeping the EU budget down. Will the Minister c...

David Gauke | 597 cc763-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly make that assurance and indeed, I will set out in a little detail what we are do...

Alan Mak | 597 c764 (Link to this contribution)

My constituents are still reeling from Labour’s great recession. Will my hon. Friend assure me th...

David Gauke | 597 c764 (Link to this contribution)

I can certainly give that assurance. Thanks to the success that the Prime Minister achieved in th...

James Morris | 597 c764 (Link to this contribution)

Was not another of the Prime Minister’s substantial achievements in those negotiations to shift t...

David Gauke | 597 c764 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. He anticipates comments that I will make later relating to how...

David Gauke | 597 c764 (Link to this contribution)

Before I do so, I will give way to my hon. Friend.

Simon Hoare | 597 c764 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way a second time; he is being very generous. My const...

David Gauke | 597 cc764-5 (Link to this contribution)

I give the assurance that the Government will always defend our rebate. Perhaps it might be helpf...

Kevin Foster | 597 c765 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister has outlined how the European Union is currently funded through contributions from m...

David Gauke | 597 c765 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, we would resist such a move. It would be a fundamental change to the nature of our relations...

Mark Garnier | 597 c765 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks about the financial transaction tax, but the City is an incredibly important...

David Gauke | 597 c765 (Link to this contribution)

I certainly give that assurance. There was a strong push for a financial transaction tax, which w...

Antoinette Sandbach | 597 c765 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister welcome the confirmation from the Office for Budget Responsibility that in cash...

David Gauke | 597 cc765-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is noticeable that our contributions are lower than they w...

Matt Warman | 597 c766 (Link to this contribution)

I admire the level of detail we are going into in this debate and I know that we all find it fasc...

David Gauke | 597 c766 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point. I confess that I have set out rather detailed points. I know h...

Tom Tugendhat | 597 c766 (Link to this contribution)

I note again a matter that is of great interest to the electors of Tonbridge, Edenbridge and Mall...

David Gauke | 597 c766 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend touches on the point made by my hon. Friend the Member for Eddisbury (Antoinette S...

David Gauke | 597 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman. I see he has made more contributions in this Parliam...

Alex Salmond | 597 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I am pleased to say that I have drawn level with the Chancellor on this morning’s assessment.

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David Gauke | 597 c767 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman refers to my dead bat, but I thought I had played a flourishing cover dr...

Alan Mak | 597 c767 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for North Dorset (Simon Hoare) made a very important point about protec...

David Gauke | 597 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly make that point. It was estimated by the European Commission to be of the value ...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c767 (Link to this contribution)

I would like to take the Minister back to the intervention of the right hon. Member for Gordon (A...

David Gauke | 597 c767 (Link to this contribution)

We have consistently argued the case for money being spent more wisely and for greater European U...

Mark Garnier | 597 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for giving way—he is giving us a lot of his time. He mentions fisca...

David Gauke | 597 c768 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point. I would perhaps go further: it is not just member states...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c768 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for giving way once again. The hon. Member for Boston and Skegness (Matt War...

David Gauke | 597 c768 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman draws me into deeper waters and wider issues. Perhaps I should resist, Mr Stre...

David Gauke | 597 c769 (Link to this contribution)

I will certainly give way, before I deal with the new clauses.

William Cash | 597 c769 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to wait if the Minister wishes to deal with the new clauses. I will come back at that ...

David Gauke | 597 c769 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend. New clauses 1, 2 and 3 and amendment 1, all tabled by the hon. M...

Tom Tugendhat | 597 c769 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend talks clearly about financing and the details of various percentages going up or d...

David Gauke | 597 c769 (Link to this contribution)

The deal that the Prime Minister reached in February 2013 was clearly a success, as our negotiati...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c769 (Link to this contribution)

I invite the Minister to remind himself of a similar debate we had in January 2008, in which he a...

David Gauke | 597 cc769-770 (Link to this contribution)

I am tempted to point to the remarks made by the hon. Lady’s colleagues in setting out the reason...

William Cash | 597 c770 (Link to this contribution)

On the reference in new clause 3 to

“the relevant European affairs select committee in each...

David Gauke | 597 cc770-1 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for those remarks. Let me come straight to new clause 3, as he ha...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c771 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the point made by the Chairman of the Select Committee, the hon. Member for Stone, b...

David Gauke | 597 c771 (Link to this contribution)

I will return to that point. My remarks, when the hon. Lady intervened, were in respect of new cl...

William Cash | 597 c771 (Link to this contribution)

Let me add one further point before I deal with the matter in substance. The European Scrutiny Co...

David Gauke | 597 c771 (Link to this contribution)

We obviously welcome scrutiny in this area. If the European Scrutiny Committee or other Committee...

Edward Argar | 597 c771 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Tonbridge and Malling (Tom Tugendhat) rightly highlighted the welco...

David Gauke | 597 c772 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his excellent intervention. The answer to his question lies at the hea...

Wes Streeting | 597 c772 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for that update, but perhaps the Minister will tell us what the Government are goin...

David Gauke | 597 c773 (Link to this contribution)

The most important thing we can do is reduce the EU budget because that then focuses the mind of ...

Graham P Jones | 597 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I think the Minister has answered my question. It was about the common agricultural policy, and h...

David Gauke | 597 c773 (Link to this contribution)

Walked into it? I ran with enthusiasm into the answer, and I am glad that I anticipated the hon. ...

Kevin Foster | 597 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for generously giving way to me a second time. Does he agree that the Europe...

David Gauke | 597 c773 (Link to this contribution)

I take my hon. Friend’s point. We are, I hope, moving in the right direction. The new Commission ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c773 (Link to this contribution)

Following what the hon. Member for Torbay (Kevin Foster) has said, would it not be sensible and a...

David Gauke | 597 cc773-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention, which he makes in a characteristically const...

Peter Grant | 597 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I could understand the Government’s reluctance to incorporate the amendments in legislation if th...

David Gauke | 597 c774 (Link to this contribution)

In the case of new clause 2, which relates to how we deal with the way in which the Council of Mi...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c774 (Link to this contribution)

I am slightly surprised that the Minister is unable to take on board what was actually a very sen...

David Gauke | 597 cc774-5 (Link to this contribution)

We care a great deal about eliminating waste and inefficiency in the EU budget. The question is h...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c775 (Link to this contribution)

Again, I am surprised by the Minister’s response. Let me remind him of a point that I made on Sec...

David Gauke | 597 c775 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot but throw back the record of the Labour Government in that regard.

James Cartlidge | 597 c775 (Link to this contribution)

It is difficult to listen to what Labour Members are saying about new clause 2 without rememberin...

David Gauke | 597 c775 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very good point. However, you would not wish me to be detained too long, Mr Streeter, b...

David Gauke | 597 c776 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to the hon. Lady, who may share that view.

Carolyn Harris | 597 c776 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Minister believe that enough is being done to ensure the transparency of budget decision...

David Gauke | 597 c776 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady has asked a good question. In the context of the review that the Commission is unde...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c776 (Link to this contribution)

Are this Minister and other Ministers having more success than their right hon. Friend the Member...

David Gauke | 597 c776 (Link to this contribution)

Some progress has been made since then. The Commission has improved its transparency record, part...

William Cash | 597 c776 (Link to this contribution)

Earlier, the hon. Member for Worsley raised the question of how the proposals for budget reductio...

David Gauke | 597 cc776-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the constructive tone that my hon. Friend brings to the debate; he has a histor...

Luke Hall | 597 c777 (Link to this contribution)

My constituents were aghast when the previous Labour Government gave away our rebate. Will the Mi...

David Gauke | 597 cc777-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am more than happy to give my hon. Friend that assurance. When we debate the scrutiny of expend...

John Redwood | 597 c778 (Link to this contribution)

Has my hon. Friend seen the work of the so-called five presidents of the euro area, which sets ou...

David Gauke | 597 c778 (Link to this contribution)

Yes; my right hon. Friend makes an important point about the euro area. No doubt he will have hea...

William Cash | 597 c778 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that my hon. Friend appreciates the difficulties inherent in this matter. It is all ver...

David Gauke | 597 c778 (Link to this contribution)

It is important that we meet that objective.

On the subject of the report, I would make the...

John Redwood | 597 c778 (Link to this contribution)

The five presidents’ press release and work programme, which will result in a White Paper, are ab...

David Gauke | 597 c779 (Link to this contribution)

The point about our position applies across the piece. To be fair to my right hon. Friend, certai...

Baroness Keeley | 597 cc779-780 (Link to this contribution)

Before we go any further, may I point out that my constituency is now called Worsley and Eccles S...

Tom Tugendhat | 597 c780 (Link to this contribution)

Would the hon. Lady let me know which of her hon. Friends are so supportive of her? There appears...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to assure my hon. Friend that I am supporting her very strongly today.

Baroness Keeley | 597 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I think the hon. Gentleman will see when we come to the vote that we do have support.

Our n...

William Cash | 597 c780 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure the hon. Lady would appreciate the fact that the European Scrutiny Committee functions ...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I very much take that point on board.

New clause 1 requests a review by the European Commis...

John Redwood | 597 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with the hon. Lady about the need to get better value for money in a smaller bud...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c781 (Link to this contribution)

I think that we could get to that if we had the information in the review that I am calling for, ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c781 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a fair point. It has been suggested that, in real terms, we should be pa...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c782 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, that is a very real fear. If we look down the list of commitments and compare it with the...

David Gauke | 597 c782 (Link to this contribution)

On the timing, we are expecting it in 2016.

Baroness Keeley | 597 c782 (Link to this contribution)

Will he clarify at which point in 2016? [Interruption.] No, it is just some time in 2016.

Alex Salmond | 597 c782 (Link to this contribution)

Will it be before or after the referendum?

Baroness Keeley | 597 cc782-3 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister can hear the comments being made by Members from sedentary positions. Clearly, we ar...

Alex Salmond | 597 c783 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady saying that, in the opinion of the Labour party, agricultural support and spendi...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c783 (Link to this contribution)

I am not making that point in particular. What we are asking for in this clause is a review of bu...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c783 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend made a very strong point about the CAP. If there were no CAP, would it not be sens...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c784 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed we could. Let me go on and make a few more points about the proportion that is allocated t...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 597 c784 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sympathetic to what the hon. Lady is saying. My one concern would be that if there are ...

Baroness Keeley | 597 cc784-5 (Link to this contribution)

The more reviews that we carry out of those priorities, the more that we develop our understandin...

William Cash | 597 c785 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady appreciate that much of what she says in terms of generalities is understandab...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c785 (Link to this contribution)

I hesitate to say that I think we agree on this point, but I think we do. [Interruption.] All rig...

Jim Shannon | 597 c785 (Link to this contribution)

One issue that concerns me in the area that I represent is the fishing industry. There is to be a...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c786 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. We have focused a great deal on agricultural spending and the CAP, but I do not think any...

Alex Salmond | 597 c786 (Link to this contribution)

Given that many people who represent fishing constituencies would agree with the hon. Lady on tha...

Baroness Keeley | 597 cc786-7 (Link to this contribution)

That is strange, but I cannot answer for the Minister. He may want to intervene for himself now o...

William Cash | 597 c787 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady referred to the need for relentless scrutiny. I have a thought in my mind that mayb...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c787 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed, we could do that. We would definitely want to press the other new clauses, but there was ...

William Cash | 597 cc787-8 (Link to this contribution)

I have already said much of what I need to say on new clause 3, which is my main concern today, s...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I hope that the hon. Gentleman will accept my assurance that we have no intention of doing that, ...

William Cash | 597 c788 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Lady. I hope that she will not mind my mentioning the fact th...

Alex Salmond | 597 cc788-9 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow what must be the briefest speech I have ever heard from the hon....

Mark Garnier | 597 c789 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman said from a sedentary position during the Minister’s speech that that wa...

Alex Salmond | 597 cc789-791 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to move on to that very point, because the Minister’s reply to my intervention inspir...

Kevin Foster | 597 c791 (Link to this contribution)

I have been listening with interest to the right hon. Gentleman’s points about funding for Scotla...

Alex Salmond | 597 c791 (Link to this contribution)

One of the reasons we do so incredibly badly in many European programmes as regards funding is th...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 597 cc791-2 (Link to this contribution)

The speech by the right hon. Member for Gordon (Alex Salmond) is tremendously important and gets ...

Jim Shannon | 597 c792 (Link to this contribution)

As I am sure the hon. Gentleman is well aware, the farms in Northern Ireland are smaller. They ar...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 597 c792 (Link to this contribution)

I am very sympathetic to farmers and I ought to declare an interest as I have a little land in So...

Alex Salmond | 597 c792 (Link to this contribution)

That is why the protection built into the agricultural settlement of €196 per hectare is so impor...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 597 c792 (Link to this contribution)

Being more traditional, I prefer a minimum per acre, but otherwise I am broadly in agreement with...

Peter Grant | 597 c792 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Gentleman telling us that consolidation and enlargement always equal efficiency? Does...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 597 c792 (Link to this contribution)

There are great advantages to having small, family owned farms, but we need an efficient agricult...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 cc793-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for North East Somerset (Mr Rees-Mogg). Before I...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 597 c794 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the hon. Gentleman has ever been to Iceland, Norway, the Faroe Islands or p...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c794 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s point tempts me to talk at greater length about a broader, more socialist ap...

Alex Salmond | 597 c794 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is mistaken. I think that the CAP is a failure of UK Government negotiation, a...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c794 (Link to this contribution)

We are in strong agreement on that point. I have said many times in this Chamber that we ought to...

Alex Salmond | 597 c795 (Link to this contribution)

To pursue my point, is it not strange that the Government never mention treaty amendment to the c...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c795 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes a strong point. That is one of my red lines, and I shall put that ...

Jim Shannon | 597 c795 (Link to this contribution)

As I said earlier, I represent the constituency of Strangford, and the fishing industry is partic...

Hywel Williams | 597 c795 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I hope that the hon. Member for Luton North (Kelvin Hopkins) will not go too far down that...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c795 (Link to this contribution)

I shall move on to my other points in a second, Mr Williams, but I agree with the hon. Member for...

Greg Knight | 597 c795 (Link to this contribution)

Going back to what the hon. Gentleman said a few moments ago about agriculture, is he aware that ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c795 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman makes a strong point. I have said that if we were outside the EU, we wou...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 597 c795 (Link to this contribution)

The glib answer that has often been given to me in the House in years past as to why we should ma...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 c796 (Link to this contribution)

Indeed. The hon. Gentleman is well ahead of me in his expertise in the matter, but the basic poin...

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 597 c796 (Link to this contribution)

Is not the great danger that the high priest of the austerity cult, the Chancellor of the Exchequ...

Alex Salmond | 597 c796 (Link to this contribution)

He’d keep it all for himself.

Angus Brendan MacNeil | 597 c796 (Link to this contribution)

He would keep it all in London. If that were to happen, we would need full fiscal autonomy, or in...

Kelvin Hopkins | 597 cc796-7 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the hon. Gentleman, but it is a counsel of despair to say that because we cannot trust ou...

Peter Grant | 597 cc797-9 (Link to this contribution)

Tapadh leibh—thank you, Mr Williams. I apologise for not being able to say that in Welsh despite ...

Alex Salmond | 597 c799 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an interesting point about the likely outcome of Scottish negotiations in Eu...

Peter Grant | 597 cc799-800 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether that is a bid to be the first independent Scottish ambassador to the Europe...

David Gauke | 597 cc800-1 (Link to this contribution)

We have had a wide-ranging debate over the past two and a half hours. The hon. Member for Glenrot...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c801 (Link to this contribution)

If the Minister is resisting the amendments, and it sounds as though he is, will he tell the Comm...

David Gauke | 597 c801 (Link to this contribution)

In the 2013 negotiations, we achieved a shift towards a greater proportion of expenditure being o...

Baroness Keeley | 597 c801 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister was unable to give a date. Mid-term reviews are one thing, but we are moving towards...

David Gauke | 597 cc801-2 (Link to this contribution)

The MFF will be in 2016, as I said. The reality is that trying to transfer expenditure in the way...

David Gauke | 597 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I was going to turn directly to the common agricultural policy, for which the right hon. Gentlema...

Alex Salmond | 597 c802 (Link to this contribution)

Rather than bemoaning the £2 billion the Labour party lost in respect of the budget rebate, will ...

David Gauke | 597 c802 (Link to this contribution)

I will briefly make two points to the right hon. Gentleman. There is no additional money for the ...

Alex Salmond | 597 c802 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister would probably get more information from The Scottish Farmer than he is getting from...

David Gauke | 597 c803 (Link to this contribution)

I say again that the right hon. Gentleman really must look at the overall treatment. When we look...

David Gauke | 597 cc803-8 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

The Bill gives UK approval to the ...

Baroness Keeley | 597 cc808-9 (Link to this contribution)

I am glad that new clauses 1 and 2 were discussed earlier. Given the result of the vote, I urge t...

Alex Salmond | 597 cc809-810 (Link to this contribution)

Thinking back to all the Committee sittings, I recall that the Minister did not feel able to give...

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