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EU Justice and Home Affairs Measures

Opposition day on Wednesday, 19 November 2014, in the House of Commons, led by Yvette Cooper. The answering members were Baroness May of Maidenhead, Lord Hanson of Flint and Karen Bradley.
Unallotted opposition day debate (half day). Closure motion. Agreed to on question. Main question agreed to on division (421 to 29).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

588 cc333-383 

Session

2014-15

Department

Home Office

Procedure

Closure motions

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

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Proceeding contributions

Yvette Cooper | 588 cc333-4 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House endorses the Government’s formal application to rejoin 35 Eu...

Tony Baldry | 588 c334 (Link to this contribution)

Look, some of us kind of lost the will to live on all this last week, and I think if we go throug...


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Yvette Cooper | 588 c334 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. The Home Secretary has deprived him of his will to ...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 588 c334 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend share my surprise that the intervention by the right hon. Member for Ba...

Yvette Cooper | 588 cc334-5 (Link to this contribution)

I am sure that Conservative Members are all deeply grateful to us, which is why they have come to...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 588 c335 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I appreciate that the right hon. Lady is making some very important and interesting points...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c335 (Link to this contribution)

You are exactly right, Madam Deputy Speaker. This is in fact the debate that we should have had l...

Mike Gapes | 588 c335 (Link to this contribution)

Operation Golf was conducted in my constituency, and I hope to talk about it if I get the chance ...

Yvette Cooper | 588 cc335-6 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. It would have been so simple to cover those measures in the initial deba...

Keith Vaz | 588 c336 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way and hope that she will excuse me for in...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c336 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is right. The truth is that the Home Secretary’s handling of the whole thing...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c336 (Link to this contribution)

I think I heard the right hon. Lady say just a few moments ago that one of the measures she wante...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c336 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary knows that an awful lot of the measures she has removed from the 35 are in fac...

Geraint Davies | 588 c336 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend knows that this is really about co-operation across Europe to bring thousand...

Yvette Cooper | 588 cc336-7 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an important point. I heard somebody on the Government Front Bench muttering...

Geraint Davies | 588 c337 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is being generous in giving way. Swansea has the most overcrowded prison in ...

Yvette Cooper | 588 cc337-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right. We do not want people to be stuck in British prisons when they should be...

William Cash | 588 c338 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady concede that the European Union is not a sufficient basis on which to ma...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c338 (Link to this contribution)

The point is that the European Union provides us with opportunities to be able better to fight cr...

Andrew Gwynne | 588 c338 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely right to set out the benefits of cross-border co-operation wit...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c338 (Link to this contribution)

That, in the end, is what it comes down to. Sadly, too many Conservative Members do not want to v...

Lord Beith | 588 c339 (Link to this contribution)

I just want to place on record the fact that the Select Committee on Justice, although it was sev...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c339 (Link to this contribution)

That is the bizarre thing about this whole situation. We had the opportunity to demonstrate the H...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 cc339-340 (Link to this contribution)

We return to an issue that has been much debated in the House. Last Monday was the sixth time tha...

Wayne David | 588 c340 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Home Secretary clear up for the benefit of the House the simple fact that there was no r...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c340 (Link to this contribution)

What I have just said about our view of the debate—[Interruption.] Perhaps the hon. Gentleman wou...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 588 c340 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Home Secretary think that the wording of the motion last week was in the spirit of what ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c340 (Link to this contribution)

I am clear that there was no requirement on the Government to bring the measures, other than thos...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c340 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman may wish to carry on talking about procedure, but I want to get on to the issu...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 588 c341 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Home Secretary surprised, as I am, that the shadow Home Secretary’s speech was all about p...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c341 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right and I am well aware that for a number of right hon. and hon. F...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c341 (Link to this contribution)

Can the Home Secretary give a single example of a moment when she has put to Parliament the oppor...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c341 (Link to this contribution)

I have made it absolutely clear, and I will repeat it again for the sake of any doubt, that the G...

William Cash | 588 c341 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c341 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to my hon. Friend in a moment. We were very clear that the only measures that nee...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

If the right hon. Lady will forgive me, I will give way to my hon. Friend who indicated that he w...

William Cash | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

As my right hon. Friend knows, I accused her and the Government last week of chicanery, which, pu...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

I am tempted to say to my hon. Friend that I suspect he knows more about legal quibbles, and has ...

Dominic Raab | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

If my hon. Friend will forgive me, I did say to the right hon. Lady that I would take her interve...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary now says that her position is that she does not actually have to offer the Hou...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady really needs to understand the difference between a requirement on the Govern...

Dominic Raab | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

On the opt-out from the charter of fundamental rights, this is not a matter of political opinion ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c342 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has made a considerable study of these matters, as the House is aware, but I have ...

Baroness Bray of Coln | 588 c343 (Link to this contribution)

I must say that many of my constituents who take a great interest in this issue will be very frus...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c343 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Opting back into the European criminal records information sy...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c343 (Link to this contribution)

I assume the right hon. Lady wants to say that Labour’s position has changed and they support the...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c343 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady tell us the level of net migration now and how it compares with her targ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c343 (Link to this contribution)

I am happy to tell the right hon. Lady that the figure for net migration into the UK is down by a...

Yvette Cooper | 588 c343 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Lady confirm that it came down by a quarter under the last Labour Government ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c344 (Link to this contribution)

The fact I quoted is absolutely correct: net migration is down by a quarter from its peak under t...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 588 c344 (Link to this contribution)

How confident is my right hon. Friend that after 1 December, when the Court of Justice of the Eur...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c344 (Link to this contribution)

I am confident that some of the measures we have taken to deal with concerns raised about the EAW...

Sammy Wilson | 588 c344 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary has mentioned the importance of contact with the devolved Administrations and ...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c344 (Link to this contribution)

There has been considerable contact with the Justice Minister in Northern Ireland; there has been...

Gerald Howarth | 588 c345 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c345 (Link to this contribution)

Should I go left or right? [Laughter.] I suspect that in the interest of balance, I should give w...

Lord Clarke of Nottingham | 588 c345 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend confirm that the valuable improvements she has made to the arrest warra...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c345 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. and learned Friend is right that we have had discussions with other member states o...

Gerald Howarth | 588 c345 (Link to this contribution)

Further to the point made by our hon. Friend the Member for North East Somerset (Jacob Rees-Mogg)...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c345 (Link to this contribution)

Let me say to my hon. Friend, as I did to a previous intervention, that I fully accept the concer...

Lord Beith | 588 c346 (Link to this contribution)

I want to point out that the Government were right not to opt in to a series of standards measure...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c346 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend is absolutely correct. The Government made a conscious decision not to ask t...

Geraint Davies | 588 c346 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Home Secretary give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c346 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way a number of times, but I will give way one further time to the hon. Gentleman.

Geraint Davies | 588 c346 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary—who has not given way to me until now—has just said that she is in favour of o...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 cc346-7 (Link to this contribution)

I have made clear my view that our relationship with the European Court of Justice could well be ...

Sammy Wilson | 588 c347 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Home Secretary accept that the comparison she is making is not a fair one, given that ma...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c348 (Link to this contribution)

I understand that the political scenario has changed over the years, but the Justice Minister in ...

Mike Gapes | 588 c348 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Secretary is making an excellent case for the European arrest warrant. Why did she not p...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c348 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the hon. Gentleman but I cannot remember whether he was in the Chamber for the deb...

Keith Vaz | 588 c348 (Link to this contribution)

Could the Home Secretary clarify one point? Has she notified the European Union that we are optin...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c348 (Link to this contribution)

We have not yet notified the European Union. [Interruption.] Someone says, “Why?” It is partly be...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c348 (Link to this contribution)

May I first give a concrete example of that? Last month, Philip Gordon Knowles was jailed for eig...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 588 c349 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Home for giving way to me a second time. She has made two cases—the reason for opting...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c349 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has raised two important points. I will address both of them. He refers to the tem...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 588 c349 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 c349 (Link to this contribution)

I am conscious that this speech is taking rather longer than I had intended, but I will give way....

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 588 c350 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend’s speech is taking a long time because it is so interesting and important. F...

Baroness May of Maidenhead | 588 cc350-1 (Link to this contribution)

The fact is that we have been able to go into the negotiation with the European Commission and ot...

Baroness Primarolo | 588 c351 (Link to this contribution)

Order. There will be a seven-minute time limit on Back-Bench speeches in today’s debate. We will ...

Keith Vaz | 588 c351 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the shadow Home Secretary, my right hon. Friend the Member for Normanton, Pontefract and ...

William Cash | 588 c351 (Link to this contribution)

The Home Affairs Select Committee has done a splendid job, but will the right hon. Gentleman also...

Keith Vaz | 588 cc351-2 (Link to this contribution)

I was just about to say that. I do not want this to sound like self-congratulation—[Hon. Members:...

Tony Baldry | 588 c352 (Link to this contribution)

The fact is that these are mostly for Poles going back to Poland—they want their own Poles back—a...

Keith Vaz | 588 cc352-3 (Link to this contribution)

Of course if the Poles want the Poles back, they should have them back. The problem is that Polan...

Damian Green | 588 cc353-4 (Link to this contribution)

It is always a privilege to follow the Chairman of the Home Affairs Committee, the right hon. Mem...

Damian Green | 588 c354 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a second. Expressed in those terms, it is impossible to imagine that anyone wo...

Damian Green | 588 c354 (Link to this contribution)

Let me pick and choose. I give way to the former Solicitor-General.

Oliver Heald | 588 c354 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way. Of course it is not a perfect agreement, bu...

Damian Green | 588 c354 (Link to this contribution)

I entirely agree with my hon. and learned Friend. Indeed, it is the speed of operation of the Eur...

Bob Stewart | 588 c354 (Link to this contribution)

For me, the crucial factor in deciding to support the European arrest warrant was precisely that ...

Damian Green | 588 cc354-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is wise in his decision. We have had some facts and figures that back up both his ...

Damian Green | 588 c355 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman says that, but the job of police officers and criminal justice agencies around...

Dominic Raab | 588 c355 (Link to this contribution)

We can all agree that looking out for our security is the job of the police and the intelligence ...

Damian Green | 588 cc355-6 (Link to this contribution)

I absolutely agree. As my hon. Friend knows, I am not an uncritical admirer of everything that th...

Graham Stringer | 588 c356 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the shadow Home Secretary on putting before the House a simple and straightforward...

Oliver Heald | 588 c356 (Link to this contribution)

It is not as though nothing is being done about that. The group of states against corruption, of ...

Graham Stringer | 588 c357 (Link to this contribution)

That is a fair point, but anyone who had been locked up in Romania or Croatia would not be please...

Nick de Bois | 588 c357 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman accept that, through the use of the European arrest warrant, British citi...

Graham Stringer | 588 cc357-8 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right, and that might be one of the arguments used to drag us in...

Dominic Raab | 588 c358 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Blackley and Broughton (Graham Stringer) and, I mu...

William Cash | 588 c358 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making an excellent speech. Does he agree that, basically, the reason the Gover...

Dominic Raab | 588 cc359-360 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Chairman of the European Scrutiny Committee, who makes a valid point that I will come...

Peter Bone | 588 c360 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a powerful speech. When the three Front Benches agree on a law, is it no...

Dominic Raab | 588 c360 (Link to this contribution)

I take my hon. Friend’s point, but it does not matter how many people agree—or how many law enfor...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 588 c361 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The House will be aware that a great many Members are seeking to catch my eye and that ver...

Pete Wishart | 588 c361 (Link to this contribution)

Well, Madam Deputy Speaker, that certainly was some night last week, wasn’t it? It was the great ...

Nick de Bois | 588 c361 (Link to this contribution)

May I ask the hon. Gentleman to look through the other end of the telescope? Is not his thirst an...

Pete Wishart | 588 cc361-2 (Link to this contribution)

I want to come on to that point, and I will mention a particular case about the use of the Europe...

John Redwood | 588 c362 (Link to this contribution)

Can the hon. Gentleman explain why he, as someone who wants Scottish independence and to be compl...

Pete Wishart | 588 c362 (Link to this contribution)

That is a ridiculous point. We want what all other member states of the European Union have, whic...

Dominic Grieve | 588 c362 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 588 c362 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give way to the right hon. and learned Gentleman, as I have no more time in which to do ...

Dominic Grieve | 588 c362 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 588 cc362-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have no more time to take interventions.

That is the reality for Scotland in Europe. We v...

Dominic Grieve | 588 c363 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 588 c363 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give way to the right hon. and learned Gentleman. I have already said to him that I have...

Dominic Grieve | 588 c363 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Pete Wishart | 588 c363 (Link to this contribution)

I am not going to give way to the right hon. and learned Gentleman. I do not know how I can, as I...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 588 c363 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman is not going to give way.

Pete Wishart | 588 c363 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give way as I have no more time.

I want to address a point about one important cas...

William Cash | 588 cc363-5 (Link to this contribution)

Of course we want law and order and security—that goes without saying. The question that we are f...

Mike Thornton | 588 c365 (Link to this contribution)

I have a great deal of respect for the Chair of the European Scrutiny Committee, but surely the p...

William Cash | 588 c365 (Link to this contribution)

I also respect my hon. Friend, who sits on the European Scrutiny Committee, but my point is simpl...

Geraint Davies | 588 c365 (Link to this contribution)

It is of course a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Stone (Sir William Cash), on whose...

William Cash | 588 c366 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman may know that I was in a debate the other day on, I think, Radio 5 Live. One o...

Geraint Davies | 588 cc366-7 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that the statistics show that extradition now takes an average of 49 days, bu...

Dominic Grieve | 588 c367 (Link to this contribution)

I shall support the Government’s position on the European arrest warrant, which I believe to be d...

Geraint Davies | 588 c367 (Link to this contribution)

That is a point well made. Everybody knows that the European Union is not perfect, that mistakes ...

Geraint Davies | 588 c367 (Link to this contribution)

To leave would be to expose us to criminals, terrorists, rapists and child abusers, and that appe...

Tony Baldry | 588 cc367-9 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make a few brief points. In July, significant reforms were introduced to procedures in ...

Baroness Laing of Elderslie | 588 c369 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Such is the heat of the debate and the number and length of interventions, which have caus...

Mike Gapes | 588 cc369-370 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the pro-European views of the right hon. Member for Banbury (Sir Tony ...

Richard Shepherd | 588 cc370-1 (Link to this contribution)

I want to bring the House’s attention back to the excellent speech from the hon. Member for Black...

Douglas Carswell | 588 cc371-2 (Link to this contribution)

The motion proposes “That this House endorses” the Government’s application to opt back into the ...

Michael Ellis | 588 c372 (Link to this contribution)

We have seen Labour at its most opportunistic and cynical. The shadow Home Secretary, the right h...

Michael Ellis | 588 cc372-3 (Link to this contribution)

In a moment, if I may.

This is not a debate about Europe; it is a debate about law and orde...

Peter Bone | 588 c373 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share the concern that this is a slippery slope to a pan-European judicial sy...

Michael Ellis | 588 c373 (Link to this contribution)

I consider myself a Eurosceptic and I do not wish to see such a slippery slope. I wish to see cri...

Martin Vickers | 588 c373 (Link to this contribution)

I am a Eurosceptic of the first order and voted no in 1975, when a lot of now UKIP members were v...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 588 c374 (Link to this contribution)

It is not a question of the sinner who repenteth. Even Homer nods.

Martin Vickers | 588 c374 (Link to this contribution)

That is an intervention that could be made only by my hon. Friend.

I value the sovereignty ...

Martin Vickers | 588 cc374-5 (Link to this contribution)

No, I must continue.

Action has been taken to ensure that an arrest warrant cannot be used ...

Baroness Primarolo | 588 c375 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Before I call the next speaker, I do not expect to hear you, Mr Carswell, continually shou...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 588 cc375-6 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great privilege to follow a true Eurosceptic.

In my brief contribution I do not int...

Peter Bone | 588 c376 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a really powerful speech. Will not tonight’s decision also signal to the...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 588 c376 (Link to this contribution)

Quite possibly.

The EU now has well over 150 mainly framework decisions in the area of just...

Jackie Doyle-Price | 588 cc376-7 (Link to this contribution)

I find myself utterly at one with my hon. Friend the Member for Cleethorpes (Martin Vickers) on t...

Philip Davies | 588 c377 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend says that it is very easy for people to get from one country to another and that w...

Baroness Primarolo | 588 c377 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We are very short of time, and I am trying to protect the hon. Lady and the hon. Member fo...

Jackie Doyle-Price | 588 cc377-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for that, Madam Deputy Speaker. All I would say is that often such people are evading o...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 588 cc378-9 (Link to this contribution)

May I begin by thanking the shadow Home Secretary for bringing forward this debate? In a wonderfu...

Peter Bone | 588 c379 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a most powerful speech; he has persuaded me tonight to vote against this...

Baroness Primarolo | 588 c379 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The hon. Gentleman will speak briefly so that we can get to the wind-ups. I am afraid that...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 588 c379 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Habeas corpus is at risk. We also risk bringing in the Europe...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 588 c379 (Link to this contribution)

I appreciate the fact that we have had this debate. The Labour party, Her Majesty’s Opposition, c...

Lord Hanson of Flint | 588 cc380-1 (Link to this contribution)

I have only a few moments to speak so, if I may, I would like to make some progress.

Gettin...

Paul Farrelly | 588 c381 (Link to this contribution)

Will my right hon. Friend give way?

Lord Hanson of Flint | 588 c381 (Link to this contribution)

With respect, my hon. Friend has not been in the Chamber throughout the debate. I have only two m...

Dominic Raab | 588 c381 (Link to this contribution)

Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?

Lord Hanson of Flint | 588 cc381-2 (Link to this contribution)

Ordinarily I would, but I have literally one minute left.

We support joint investigation te...

Karen Bradley | 588 c382 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to all Members who have spoken. I know that many are frustrated that they did not g...

Karen Bradley | 588 cc382-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid not, because I am really short of time.

I know that many hon. Members have conc...

Alan Campbell | 588 c383 (Link to this contribution)

claimed to move the closure (Standing Order No. 36).

Question put forthwith, That the Quest...

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