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European Union (Approvals) Bill [Lords]

Committee stage. Clause 1 amendment, negatived on division (37 to 243). Clause 2 amendment, negatived on division (36 to 240). Bill reported without amendment. Third reading, agreed to on division (246 to 28). Bill passed without amendment.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

574 cc658-691 

Session

2013-14

Legislative stage

Committee stage, Third reading and Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
European Scrutiny Committee twenty third report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 12 December 2012
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons
European Scrutiny Committee twenty-fifth report with formal minutes.
Wednesday, 27 November 2013
Parliamentary committees
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c659 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move amendment 4, in page 1, line 4, leave out subsection (2) and insert—

‘(2) The...

Lindsay Hoyle | 574 c659 (Link to this contribution)

With this it will be convenient to discuss:

Amendment 3, in clause 2, page 1, line 16, leav...


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Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 cc659-660 (Link to this contribution)

Today is Holocaust memorial day, and several hon. Members are wearing pins to signify this import...

David Nuttall | 574 c660 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend refers to a budget line. Will he confirm, as he is greatly experienced in such mat...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c661 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. It is a mere fraction. We are talking about it today only because of article 352, whi...

John Redwood | 574 c661 (Link to this contribution)

As it is the clearly expressed wish of this House that we should have a lower EU budget, would it...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c661 (Link to this contribution)

I understand my right hon. Friend’s point, but even if we vetoed the measure completely, the mone...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c661 (Link to this contribution)

Over seven years, as my hon. Friend the Minister will continue to remind us. It is very small bee...

Philip Davies | 574 c661 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that whether it is a big or small part of the European budget is immate...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c661 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. I estimate that the UK would contribute £17.8 million, so in times when we are a bit str...

John Redwood | 574 c661 (Link to this contribution)

It is a very large sum of money. As it takes more than 100 taxpayers to contribute £1 million in ...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c661 (Link to this contribution)

I concur with my right hon. Friend. When I was a Member of the European Parliament, I used to tab...

Bob Stewart | 574 c662 (Link to this contribution)

If the money was not spent on citizenship, would we get more money to commemorate the holocaust a...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c662 (Link to this contribution)

That is the purpose behind my amendment. I understand that only once, or possibly twice, has an a...

Andrea Leadsom | 574 c662 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that as there is no such thing as a European citizen but only members o...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 cc662-3 (Link to this contribution)

It would be a bit of a surprise if I did not agree with my hon. Friend, whose constituency is nex...

Peter Bone | 574 c663 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend said that everyone here would approve of that; has he noticed that, as far as I ca...

Lord Cryer | 574 c663 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, but it is the quality that counts.

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c663 (Link to this contribution)

As the hon. Gentleman says, we have the cream of the Opposition here. The Opposition’s economic p...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c663 (Link to this contribution)

Will my hon. Friend remind us whether it would be possible for anybody who promoted the individua...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 cc663-4 (Link to this contribution)

Unfortunately, regulations prohibit those perhaps Eurosceptic organisations that are pro-nation s...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c664 (Link to this contribution)

As we debated this on Second Reading, my hon. Friend will be aware that we increased the budget l...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c664 (Link to this contribution)

I concur with the Minister—it is very good progress—but I would like to see it at 80% to 100%, he...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c664 (Link to this contribution)

It is not good progress at all—it is miserable progress, as we have a veto, so we can say, “No, n...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c664 (Link to this contribution)

I had a horrible vision for a second of my hon. Friend in drag, dressed as a former Prime Ministe...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c664 (Link to this contribution)

My understanding is that my hon. Friend is not saying, “No, no, no.” He is simply saying “More, m...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 cc664-5 (Link to this contribution)

That is a fair point, and I am asking for more, more, more for commemoration. Indeed, the House h...

Andrew Turner | 574 c665 (Link to this contribution)

Is my hon. Friend saying that Ministers are not stopping civil servants driving that programme on...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I would not like to say that, because I am completely convinced that the Minister is 100% engaged...

Lord Cryer | 574 c665 (Link to this contribution)

I was not going to speak, but I thought I might as well have a go since I am here. I feel inspire...

Bob Stewart | 574 c665 (Link to this contribution)

In this 100th anniversary of the first world war, would it not be entirely appropriate for Europe...

Lord Cryer | 574 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman, and according to the amendment, it could be so used. If the amen...

Lord Cryer | 574 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way in a moment.

A few years ago when I was the Member of Parliament for Hornch...

Richard Shepherd | 574 c666 (Link to this contribution)

By an Act of Parliament, we are European citizens. It was passed in this House by a Conservative ...

Lord Cryer | 574 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I wish I had not stood up now. I feel really depressed. I wish I had just stayed in my office and...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c666 (Link to this contribution)

I am concerned that the hon. Gentleman feels depressed. It may be the tone of voice used by my ho...

Lord Cryer | 574 cc666-7 (Link to this contribution)

Many other organisations have benefited from the programme, some of which were mentioned by the h...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c667 (Link to this contribution)

It is a great pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Gray.

I, too, have tabled an am...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c667 (Link to this contribution)

I fail to see—I could also have intervened on this point during the previous speech—how grants to...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 cc667-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted that my hon. Friend has mentioned twinning, because it is dealt with under the dem...

Helen Goodman | 574 c668 (Link to this contribution)

Since the hon. Gentleman seems so concerned about big money in politics, why is he supporting the...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 cc668-9 (Link to this contribution)

I almost always end up on the same side as the hon. Lady. She makes the point that I was just mov...

John Redwood | 574 c669 (Link to this contribution)

I rise to support my hon. Friends the Members for Daventry (Chris Heaton-Harris) and for North Ea...

Lord Cryer | 574 c669 (Link to this contribution)

What the right hon. Gentleman says about the veto is true, but will he admit that the veto was or...

John Redwood | 574 c669 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, some vetoes were surrendered in the Single European Act. I advised against that at the time ...

John Redwood | 574 cc669-670 (Link to this contribution)

I did not vote for it because I was not a Member of the House when the legislation was passed—I a...

David Nuttall | 574 c670 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship this afternoon, Mr Gray.

I will not repea...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 574 c670 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making a strong and compelling case. Does he agree that it is rather insidious ...

David Nuttall | 574 c671 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a good point, and I entirely agree that it is insidious. Indeed, we have see...

Richard Shepherd | 574 cc671-2 (Link to this contribution)

First, I wish to express my appreciation to my hon. Friends who have tabled these useful amendmen...

John Redwood | 574 c672 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the European Union is not so much a quasi-state as a virtually eme...

Richard Shepherd | 574 c672 (Link to this contribution)

It pretends to be a state. It has all the trappings that we fund it to have to be that absurd con...

Baroness Hoey | 574 c672 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree that it seems strange that although those on the Government Front B...

Richard Shepherd | 574 c672 (Link to this contribution)

I hear some squawking on the Opposition Benches, but I think what the hon. Lady says is true for ...

Richard Shepherd | 574 c672 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way, of course, to my right hon. Friend the Minister.

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c673 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful not only to be promoted to the Privy Council but for the opportunity to respond to ...

Richard Shepherd | 574 c673 (Link to this contribution)

Of course I acknowledge that. It is what I expect a British Government to do. That the Minister h...

Richard Shepherd | 574 c673 (Link to this contribution)

No. We have a long way to go, as the Minister well knows. [Interruption.] I do not want to have a...

Bob Stewart | 574 c673 (Link to this contribution)

When I was a new MP, I seem to remember coming to the Dispatch Box and swearing loyalty to Her Ma...

Richard Shepherd | 574 cc673-4 (Link to this contribution)

I am with my hon. Friend on these matters.

The dissolution in the sense of ourselves in the...

Helen Goodman | 574 c674 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Robertson. I should declare an interest: I ...

Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 574 c674 (Link to this contribution)

Not for the first time, the hon. Lady puts her finger on the nub of this debate. She is supportin...

Helen Goodman | 574 c674 (Link to this contribution)

I do not share the hon. Gentleman’s view. However, there are some organisations and institutions ...

John Redwood | 574 c675 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Lady is such an advocate of democratic engagement on Europe, why will her party not g...

Helen Goodman | 574 c675 (Link to this contribution)

As the right hon. Gentleman knows, that is a completely different issue and is not what we are di...

Andrew Turner | 574 c675 (Link to this contribution)

Is the hon. Lady saying that European law permits anyone, on either side of the Europe debate, to...

Helen Goodman | 574 c675 (Link to this contribution)

If the hon. Gentleman will allow, I will come on to that point and ask the Minister some question...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c675 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady therefore explain the European Movement putting out a leaflet specifically att...

Helen Goodman | 574 c675 (Link to this contribution)

With the information available to him, the hon. Gentleman cannot show that money from the Europea...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c676 (Link to this contribution)

Let us try something else. I have here a list of organisations that received money in 2007 for th...

Helen Goodman | 574 c676 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman’s point is not pertinent to the discussion, because the question is this: how ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c676 (Link to this contribution)

There is no process for amending the regulation. We would have to vote it down and then start aga...

Helen Goodman | 574 cc676-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Minister for that information.

There are weaknesses in the regulation,...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c677 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Robertson.

We had a lively Second Rea...

John Redwood | 574 c677 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Minister a little disappointed that despite the absence of some of our experts, there are ...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 cc677-8 (Link to this contribution)

I merely note that the experts who were present for the Second Reading debate are experts on so m...

Peter Bone | 574 c678 (Link to this contribution)

If the amendment tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Daventry (Chris Heaton-Harris) is not ap...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 cc678-9 (Link to this contribution)

I would not use the word “shocking” to describe an amendment tabled by my hon. Friend the Member ...

Lord Cryer | 574 c679 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of information, I am the Member for Leyton and Wanstead. I used to be the Member for H...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 cc679-680 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes an interesting point. As I understand it, article 6, which covers access...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c680 (Link to this contribution)

I wish to press my amendment to a vote.

Question put, That the amendment be made.

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 cc680-5 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.

We have had a lively debate, both ...

Graham Stringer | 574 c685 (Link to this contribution)

The Minister makes a very weak point. Why do the Government not arrange, even with Lib Dem opposi...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c685 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman calls my point weak but then asks me to arrange a vote that this House has alr...

John Redwood | 574 c685 (Link to this contribution)

As the Minister wants the European Union to have extra powers and money in this area, against the...

Lindsay Hoyle | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We have to watch that we do not go beyond the scope of the Bill, and I think that the Mini...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what you say, Mr Deputy Speaker—

Lindsay Hoyle | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I do not want you to hear what I say, but to accept what I say. There is a difference.

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Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

When I say that I hear what you say, Mr Deputy Speaker, I mean that I accept what you say. That i...

Lindsay Hoyle | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I do not think that we need to progress this: we understand each other. You want to get on...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

I hear what you say, Mr Deputy Speaker.

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend the Member for Wokingham (Mr Redwood) reminds me of another point, which is ...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Minister explain what gain Her Majesty’s Government have received from giving in to this...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c686 (Link to this contribution)

It is important to work with one’s colleagues in the European Union. In the months and years to c...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c687 (Link to this contribution)

I feel that I may have sparked another area of debate and discussion. I give way to my hon. Frien...

Anne Main | 574 c687 (Link to this contribution)

I am not trying to be unhelpful, but is the Minister saying that this is a bone that we are givin...

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c687 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know what my hon. Friend’s definition of unhelpful is. I am sure that voting for an amen...

Helen Goodman | 574 c687 (Link to this contribution)

I do not share the Minister’s Panglossian view that our debates today and a fortnight ago have pr...

Graham Stringer | 574 c687 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend puts her finger on an important point in talking about many young people’s disillu...

Helen Goodman | 574 c688 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend tempts me to discuss reform of the European institutions. There is a case for refo...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c688 (Link to this contribution)

This is a dreadful Bill of which Her Majesty’s Government should be deeply ashamed. They should h...

Anne Main | 574 c688 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend share my concern that the Minister has just admitted that the Bill is a messa...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c688 (Link to this contribution)

I give way to my hon. Friend the Minister.

Lord Vaizey of Didcot | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure that my hon. Friend the Member for St Albans (Mrs Main) represented my views entire...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

They are four British institutions that have had to take the European shilling and sign up to pro...

Conor Burns | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that, although the Minister is right that the sums are modest and the g...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The Bill is cretaceous—

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, as in “from Crete”, and we know the reputation—

Peter Bottomley | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I know that we occasionally allow words from other langua...

Lindsay Hoyle | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

I must admit, I did not catch the word that was said, so we will proceed.

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend the Member for Worthing West (Sir Peter Bottomley) will find the word in the “Oxfo...

Graham Stringer | 574 c689 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is almost invariably precise on this subject, and I usually agree with him, bu...

Jacob Rees-Mogg | 574 cc689-690 (Link to this contribution)

I am extremely grateful to the hon. Gentleman, and I apologise for understating my opposition to ...

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 c690 (Link to this contribution)

I am not sure how I can follow that really.

Chris Heaton-Harris | 574 cc690-1 (Link to this contribution)

Yes, I suppose I should agree in general principle with my hon. Friend the Member for North East ...

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