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New Nuclear Power

Backbench debate on Thursday, 7 February 2013, in the House of Commons, led by Martin Horwood. The answering member was Ed Davey.
Twenty-eighth backbench debate (part one). Motion that this House notes that both the Coalition Agreement and numerous ministerial statements have committed the Government to provide no public subsidy to new nuclear; further notes that negotiations are currently ongoing between the Department of Energy and Climate Change and new nuclear suppliers to fix the strike price in advance of the legislation on energy market reform; is concerned by wider issues of subsidy and transparency and in particular that this process pre-empts the legislation; is further concerned that new evidence suggests that this constitutes an unjustifiable subsidy to a mature industry; and therefore calls on the Government to pause the process so that the Public Accounts Committee can examine whether the contract for difference being offered for new nuclear power generation offers genuine value for money. Motion withdrawn.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

558 cc458-491 

Session

2012-13

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Proceeding contributions

Martin Horwood | 558 cc458-9 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House notes that both the Coalition Agreement and numerous ministe...

David Mowat | 558 c459 (Link to this contribution)

I am listening very carefully to my hon. Friend’s argument as to why contracts for difference sho...


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Martin Horwood | 558 c459 (Link to this contribution)

Clearly not, because in the case of onshore wind, for example, there are many competitive develop...

Martin Horwood | 558 c460 (Link to this contribution)

I first give way to my hon. Friend the Member for Richmond Park (Zac Goldsmith).

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 558 c460 (Link to this contribution)

I hate to jump in front of the Chair of the Environmental Audit Committee, but I am pleased to be...

Martin Horwood | 558 c460 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is exactly right. In fact, the energy chief executive of Electricité de France...

Joan Walley | 558 c460 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the hon. Gentleman for bringing this debate to the House this afternoon. Le...

Martin Horwood | 558 cc460-1 (Link to this contribution)

The signatories to the motion have included the Public Accounts Committee in it, but the hon. Lad...

Martin Horwood | 558 cc461-2 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry but I cannot give way because of the time limit.

Given wider security and intern...

Baroness Hodge of Barking | 558 c462 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry to intervene on the hon. Gentleman, and I congratulate him on raising very important i...

Martin Horwood | 558 cc462-3 (Link to this contribution)

The difficulty is that this one may be the main contract for nuclear power, so the suggestion fro...

Lindsay Hoyle | 558 c463 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I remind Members that the following debate is heavily subscribed, so I am going to reduce ...

Iain Wright | 558 cc463-4 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome the Backbench Business Committee’s decision to select this important subject for debate...

Martin Horwood | 558 c464 (Link to this contribution)

The explanation that Centrica gave was not that there was insufficient public support—that was ex...

Iain Wright | 558 c464 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman mentions contracts for difference and he also did so in his speech. That is my...

David Mowat | 558 c464 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with just about everything the hon. Gentleman has said and would make the point that Hart...

Iain Wright | 558 c465 (Link to this contribution)

Let me make two points in response. The hon. Member for Cheltenham said that in many respects thi...

Mike Weatherley | 558 cc465-6 (Link to this contribution)

As someone who has witnessed first hand the long-lasting devastation of a nuclear accident at Che...

Mark Tami | 558 c466 (Link to this contribution)

The logic of the hon. Gentleman’s argument means that, if we leave it entirely to the free market...

Mike Weatherley | 558 c466 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is entirely wrong, and I shall come on to the reasons for that later. Many alt...

David Mowat | 558 c466 (Link to this contribution)

I, too, am a free marketer in general. In this case, however, if we leave it to the market alone,...

Mike Weatherley | 558 c466 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. If I may, I will ask him to listen to my concluding ...

Mike Weatherley | 558 cc466-7 (Link to this contribution)

I am sorry. I cannot give way because I am allowed only two lots of injury time.

Other fact...

Mike Weatherley | 558 cc467-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will try to give way before the end, if I can.

A good indicator of commercial viability i...

Paul Flynn | 558 c468 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with every word said by the hon. Members for Hove (Mike Weatherley) and for Cheltenham (M...

Albert Owen | 558 c468 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend and I will never agree on nuclear power, but to set the record straight, there are...

Paul Flynn | 558 c469 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend, like my hon. Friend the Member for Hartlepool (Mr Wright), has a point of view. T...

Mark Tami | 558 c469 (Link to this contribution)

Let me put it on record that I do not have a nuclear power station in my area. Is it not the logi...

Paul Flynn | 558 c469 (Link to this contribution)

That is a very limited view of the history of the matter, which I will come to. As recently as 20...

Martin Horwood | 558 c469 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with much of what the hon. Gentleman says, but I must correct him on one thing. He said t...

Paul Flynn | 558 c469 (Link to this contribution)

I am delighted to be reminded of that. However, I could spend the rest of my speech quoting what ...

Martin Horwood | 558 c470 (Link to this contribution)

Obviously I cannot speak on behalf of the Secretary of State, but I remind the hon. Gentleman tha...

Paul Flynn | 558 c470 (Link to this contribution)

I have some hope that the Liberal Democrat party will return to the paths of virtue.

A few ...

Paul Flynn | 558 c470 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot do so any more because I have run out of injury time.

My constituency, like that o...

Paul Flynn | 558 cc470-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend says that it is expensive, but it is very cheap. He should take a trip to La Rance...

David Morris | 558 c471 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Paul Flynn | 558 c471 (Link to this contribution)

I cannot give way any more.

The waste problem is continuing at a cost of £1.5 billion a yea...

Lindsay Hoyle | 558 c471 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I call David Mowat.

12.56 pm

David Mowat | 558 c471 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I am pleased to have the chance to speak in this debate, and I cong...

Therese Coffey | 558 c471 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an excellent point. Does he agree that the latest design approved by the Off...

David Mowat | 558 c472 (Link to this contribution)

My honest answer is that I do not know if they are more efficient. I assume that they are—why wou...

Albert Owen | 558 c472 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is making a sensible and powerful argument. On waste, the House needs to recog...

David Mowat | 558 c472 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman that the issue of legacy waste is not relevant to this discussion...

Paul Flynn | 558 c472 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

David Mowat | 558 cc472-3 (Link to this contribution)

I have given way twice, so let me see how I get on and I will try to come back to the hon. Gentle...

David Mowat | 558 c473 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I cannot.

I am not very impressed by the interconnector with Ireland or wi...

David Mowat | 558 cc473-4 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way. The hon. Lady might have wanted to talk about offshore wind. That could be p...

Lindsay Hoyle | 558 c474 (Link to this contribution)

Order. I call Joan Walley.

1.7 pm

Joan Walley | 558 cc474-5 (Link to this contribution)

I apologise to the Secretary of State that I will not be here for his winding-up speech. In the s...

Michael Ellis | 558 c475 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Lady also accept that there is a priority and that the Government should focus, as ...

Joan Walley | 558 c475 (Link to this contribution)

Energy security is top of my list as well, but I would not want the Government—not just now but i...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 558 c475 (Link to this contribution)

Given recent threats from EDF Energy over the past couple of days, it seems to me that we are alr...

Joan Walley | 558 c475 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the hon. Gentleman, and given what has happened this week with Centrica, and the unc...

David Morris | 558 cc475-6 (Link to this contribution)

Our future energy needs and how we meet them are critical to this nation. I congratulate my hon. ...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 558 c476 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, is my hon. Friend saying that subsidies are acceptable for nuclear power but unacc...

David Morris | 558 c476 (Link to this contribution)

No, I think that wind has an important part to play in the mix, but I am unequivocal when I say t...

Therese Coffey | 558 cc476-7 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate my hon. Friends the Members for Cheltenham (Martin Horwood) and for Hove (Mike Wea...

Therese Coffey | 558 c477 (Link to this contribution)

Not yet. I will go a bit further. As my hon. Friend the Member for Warrington South (David Mowat)...

Paul Flynn | 558 c477 (Link to this contribution)

On energy security, after Fukushima, every single one of the 52 reactors in Japan closed down and...

Therese Coffey | 558 c477 (Link to this contribution)

I believe that the public are reassured by the work of the Office for Nuclear Regulation, and Dr ...

Therese Coffey | 558 cc477-8 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way further on that matter. It would not surprise me if Germany is burning more c...

Martin Horwood | 558 c478 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady remember any other occasion on which the House was asked to agree to the Gover...

Therese Coffey | 558 c478 (Link to this contribution)

That figure has been mentioned several times, but I do not recognise it. My expectation is that t...

Therese Coffey | 558 c478 (Link to this contribution)

I will make more progress, but I will give way to the hon. Gentleman if I have time later.

...

Mark Tami | 558 c478 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Lady agree that, if we do not move ahead now, we will lose a lot of those skills, o...

Therese Coffey | 558 cc478-480 (Link to this contribution)

The skills are transferable, even if people need specialist additions. The general investment in ...

Simon Hughes | 558 c480 (Link to this contribution)

I am very glad to have a few minutes to make a contribution to the debate. I apologise to you, Mr...

Mark Tami | 558 c480 (Link to this contribution)

Does the right hon. Gentleman question his party’s stance on wind power? The Liberal Democrats su...

Simon Hughes | 558 cc480-1 (Link to this contribution)

I do not accept that. I was the Liberal Democrat shadow Secretary of State for Energy and Climate...

Mark Tami | 558 c481 (Link to this contribution)

I do not know whether the right hon. Gentleman has been to Finland, but it has a waste solution t...

Simon Hughes | 558 cc481-2 (Link to this contribution)

I have been to Finland, though not to look at the waste issue. When I was party spokesperson, I w...

Paul Flynn | 558 c482 (Link to this contribution)

Can we anticipate another principled stand by the Liberal Democrats, like the one they took on bo...

Simon Hughes | 558 c482 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is being mischievous. He and I are on the same side in this argument, so he sh...

David Mowat | 558 c482 (Link to this contribution)

We have established that this technology is more expensive than coal, but it is not more expensiv...

Simon Hughes | 558 c483 (Link to this contribution)

That is exactly the debate we are engaged in. What are subsidies and what are equal subsidies? Wh...

Caroline Flint | 558 cc483-4 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate hon. Members on securing this debate. Even if we hold different views, it is impor...

Paul Flynn | 558 c484 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend recall that Dr Weightman was expressly forbidden from considering the c...

Caroline Flint | 558 cc484-6 (Link to this contribution)

I was talking about safety, but I will come to costs later. It was absolutely right for the Gover...

Ed Davey | 558 c486 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the Backbench Business Committee for the opportunity to set out the coalition Go...

Lindsay Hoyle | 558 c487 (Link to this contribution)

Order. As a matter of courtesy, after walking into the Chamber Members usually sit for a little b...

Caroline Lucas | 558 c487 (Link to this contribution)

It is very kind of the Secretary of State to give way. The Under-Secretary of State for Health, t...

Ed Davey | 558 cc487-8 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Lady and am glad that her train arrived. I will deal with the issue of ...

Albert Owen | 558 c488 (Link to this contribution)

The Secretary of State is right to say that we need to deal with the legacy waste now. In fact, w...

Ed Davey | 558 c488 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman is right to say that past Governments failed to tackle this legacy. The previo...

Paul Flynn | 558 c488 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Ed Davey | 558 cc488-9 (Link to this contribution)

No, I want to make some progress.

On new build, is it is for energy companies themselves to...

Paul Flynn | 558 c489 (Link to this contribution)

In secret, without the House knowing.

Ed Davey | 558 c489 (Link to this contribution)

I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, who is heckling from a sedentary position, because he is v...

Paul Flynn | 558 c489 (Link to this contribution)

I have a simple question. Is the Secretary of State able to provide an assurance that there will ...

Ed Davey | 558 cc489-490 (Link to this contribution)

I am trying to explain our policy on no subsidy, but the hon. Gentleman interrupted me. If he wil...

Tessa Munt | 558 c490 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State clarify a point for me? I understand that, in chapter 5 of the Energy...

Ed Davey | 558 c490 (Link to this contribution)

I might have to write to my hon. Friend about the note on schedule 3 to the Bill. I would say to ...

Martin Horwood | 558 cc490-1 (Link to this contribution)

This has been a tremendous debate and we have aired some important issues about the phenomenal su...

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