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Energy Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 19 December 2012, in the House of Commons, led by Ed Davey. The answering member was Caroline Flint.
Second reading debate. Amendment debated and negatived on division (279 votes to 206). Second reading agreed on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

555 cc894-958 

Session

2012-13

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber
Energy Bill 2012-13
Thursday, 29 November 2012
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Primarolo | 555 c897 (Link to this contribution)

Before I call the Secretary of State to move Second Reading, may I say to all hon. Members that t...

Ed Davey | 555 c897 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.

We need to pass this Energy Bill if...


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Angus Brendan MacNeil | 555 c897 (Link to this contribution)

What hope, assurances or promise can the Secretary of State give to those wishing to engage in re...

Ed Davey | 555 c897 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman knows that I set up a group to look at this issue, which has got together with...

Joan Ruddock | 555 c897 (Link to this contribution)

I am most grateful to the Secretary of State for allowing me to intervene at this early stage, bu...

Ed Davey | 555 c898 (Link to this contribution)

The right hon. Lady knows that I am very sympathetic to that argument. We will come to that argum...

Robert Smith | 555 c898 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that in order to ensure the investment that the hon. Member for N...

Ed Davey | 555 c898 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Targets are important—they have a role to play—but we need pr...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 555 c898 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Ed Davey | 555 c898 (Link to this contribution)

I shall make some progress first, and then I shall take some more interventions.

I pay trib...

Mark Reckless | 555 c898 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State confirm that the key reason for the energy crisis is the fact that a ...

Ed Davey | 555 c899 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is right to mention that directive. Its aim is to clean our air, which is a good t...

Ed Davey | 555 c899 (Link to this contribution)

I want to make a little more progress, but before I do so I will give way to the hon. Member for ...

Huw Irranca-Davies | 555 c899 (Link to this contribution)

May I make a point about the reasoned amendment? It is because of the go-ahead for licences for a...

Ed Davey | 555 c899 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful for the hon. Gentleman’s intervention. He has merely convinced me more that this wi...

Caroline Lucas | 555 c899 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Secretary of State about the importance of reducing fuel bills, but if that is i...

Ed Davey | 555 cc899-900 (Link to this contribution)

I reject the notion that our policy supports a dash for gas, and I absolutely reject the suggesti...

John Leech | 555 c900 (Link to this contribution)

My right hon. Friend’s support for such a target has been well documented, so I suppose the curre...

Ed Davey | 555 cc900-1 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an interesting point. National Grid will have the job of setting the first s...

Neil Carmichael | 555 c901 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill’s measures will provide clarity and certainty for investors wishing to develop infrastru...

Ed Davey | 555 c901 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has great expertise in this area, and I entirely agree with what he says. Revenue ...

Brian H Donohoe | 555 c901 (Link to this contribution)

Does the Secretary of State agree that one way to overcome the problem of the deficit in energy g...

Ed Davey | 555 c901 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman notes that the energy debate is an important part of the debate on independenc...

Ed Davey | 555 c901 (Link to this contribution)

I think I should give the nationalists a right of reply.

Mike Weir | 555 c901 (Link to this contribution)

I was not looking for a right of reply, but I thank the Secretary of State for giving way anyway....

Ed Davey | 555 c901 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for his question. We have certainly spoken to people in the i...

Ed Davey | 555 c902 (Link to this contribution)

I am afraid that I want to make a little more progress—this even applies to my hon. Friends on th...

Ed Davey | 555 c902 (Link to this contribution)

As I know him so well, I will give way to my hon. Friend, but I will then make some progress.

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Mike Crockart | 555 c902 (Link to this contribution)

I am merely astounded by the nationalists’ interest in the renewables obligation for 2017, given ...

Ed Davey | 555 c902 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes a very good point. Perhaps the nationalists have given up before the referen...

Lord Goldsmith of Richmond Park | 555 c902 (Link to this contribution)

I thank my right hon. Friend for allowing me to intervene. Energy efficiency is by far the easies...

Ed Davey | 555 c902 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my hon. Friend for pointing out that we are consulting on electricity demand red...

Ian Liddell-Grainger | 555 c902 (Link to this contribution)

Will the Secretary of State give way?

Ed Davey | 555 cc902-3 (Link to this contribution)

No, I am going to make some progress, I am afraid.

Some have argued that CFDs are somehow c...

Ian Liddell-Grainger | 555 c903 (Link to this contribution)

I want to take the Secretary of State back to the rates retention scheme and community benefit, w...

Ed Davey | 555 c903 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend has campaigned on the issue and he initiated a recent Adjournment debate on it. Wh...

Alan Whitehead | 555 c903 (Link to this contribution)

Is the Secretary of State aware that according to his impact assessment, a market-wide capacity p...

Ed Davey | 555 c904 (Link to this contribution)

I urge the hon. Gentleman to read the impact assessment a little more carefully. The bit he draws...

Ed Davey | 555 cc904-6 (Link to this contribution)

No, I will not give way.

The two new instruments I have just outlined—CFDs and the capacity...

Lindsay Hoyle | 555 c906 (Link to this contribution)

Order. Many Members wish to get in. I remind the House that there is a six-minute limit after the...

Caroline Flint | 555 cc906-7 (Link to this contribution)

I beg to move,

That this House, whilst affirming its support for measures included in the B...

Mark Tami | 555 c907 (Link to this contribution)

Does my right hon. Friend agree that we have to act now in a co-ordinated fashion, and not just t...

Caroline Flint | 555 c907 (Link to this contribution)

I agree. As has been said, the Climate Change Act 2008, led by my right hon. Friend the Leader of...

Lord Lilley | 555 c907 (Link to this contribution)

Is she allowed to say we are not honourable?

Lindsay Hoyle | 555 c907 (Link to this contribution)

Order. If the right hon. Gentleman wants to make a point, he must stand up and do so to the Chair...

Lord Lilley | 555 c907 (Link to this contribution)

Is it in order to refer to hon. Members who oppose the speaker as not honourable?

Lindsay Hoyle | 555 c907 (Link to this contribution)

I am telling the right hon. Gentleman. When he says “she”, that is not acceptable language either...

Caroline Flint | 555 c908 (Link to this contribution)

The second mechanism is the introduction of a capacity market designed to address possible shortf...

David Mowat | 555 c908 (Link to this contribution)

On that point, will the right hon. Lady give way?

Caroline Flint | 555 cc908-9 (Link to this contribution)

I will not give way to the hon. Gentleman.

Instead, we must shift our economy away from its...

Mark Reckless | 555 c909 (Link to this contribution)

Under the Government’s proposals, one thing that is pretty certain is that, on average, electrici...

Caroline Flint | 555 cc910-2 (Link to this contribution)

I could not have had a better intervention; I am just moving on to how we can reform the market t...

Tim Yeo | 555 cc912-3 (Link to this contribution)

I draw attention to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests. In this context, I ...

Joan Ruddock | 555 c913 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman agree, like me, with the finding by the Committee on Climate Change that,...

Tim Yeo | 555 cc913-4 (Link to this contribution)

I noted the views of the Committee on Climate Change with great interest. I also note that, up to...

John Robertson | 555 cc914-5 (Link to this contribution)

I congratulate the Chairman of my Select Committee, the hon. Member for South Suffolk (Mr Yeo) on...

Robert Smith | 555 c915 (Link to this contribution)

There is a real frustration with the prices people pay and we must ensure that we have the best m...

John Robertson | 555 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I agree to a certain extent with my hon. Friend—I will call him that because we both sit on the E...

David Mowat | 555 c915 (Link to this contribution)

I am excited at being given way to, so I thank the hon. Gentleman for that. My point was similar ...

John Robertson | 555 cc915-6 (Link to this contribution)

That would be a good question if I knew the turnover of those companies. They say that their turn...

Charles Hendry | 555 cc916-7 (Link to this contribution)

At the outset, may I put on record my new role as a visiting professor at the university of Edinb...

David Mowat | 555 c917 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with my hon. Friend on the need for consensus. Was he therefore as surprised as I was to ...

Charles Hendry | 555 cc917-8 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend makes an interesting point. I well remember debating a previous Energy Bill while ...

Alan Whitehead | 555 cc918-920 (Link to this contribution)

It is a pleasure to follow the wise words of the former Minister, the hon. Member for Wealden (Ch...

Ian Swales | 555 c919 (Link to this contribution)

I welcome this Energy Bill and will speak about the provisions dealing with carbon capture and st...

Nia Griffith | 555 c919 (Link to this contribution)

Does the hon. Gentleman share my disappointment that the Government have made a savage 80% cut in...

Ian Swales | 555 c919 (Link to this contribution)

As far as I am aware, the £1 billion that was promised for CCS is still on the table. I am not su...

John Hayes | 555 c919 (Link to this contribution)

Let me be quite clear: the £1 billion competition is entirely as my hon. Friend described it—it i...

Ian Swales | 555 cc919-921 (Link to this contribution)

I thank the Minister for that clarification; that was my understanding too.

I raise this is...

Alex Cunningham | 555 c921 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Ian Swales | 555 c921 (Link to this contribution)

I will, although I am now in my own time.

Alex Cunningham | 555 c921 (Link to this contribution)

I am grateful to my Teesside neighbour for giving way. He talks about carbon capture. Does he sha...

Ian Swales | 555 cc921-2 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Gentleman makes a good point. There are issues about how some of the calculations have b...

Mark Lazarowicz | 555 cc922-3 (Link to this contribution)

Let me begin by referring to my entry in the Register of Members’ Financial Interests, which rela...

Nigel Evans | 555 c923 (Link to this contribution)

Order. So as to accommodate all Members who wish to speak, the time limit for contributions is no...

Nigel Adams | 555 cc923-4 (Link to this contribution)

I support the Bill and applaud the momentum that has been built up towards achieving a secure and...

Julian Sturdy | 555 c924 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that energy mix plays a vital role in energy security, and Drax and Egg...

Nigel Adams | 555 cc924-5 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is absolutely right. Drax, Eggborough, and Ferrybridge on our border, play an impo...

Albert Owen | 555 cc925-6 (Link to this contribution)

I agree with the Secretary of State that the Bill certainly has not been rushed, but although I s...

Daniel Byles | 555 cc926-7 (Link to this contribution)

It is hard to overstate the importance of the Bill, but sometimes we need to pause and get back t...

Daniel Byles | 555 c927 (Link to this contribution)

A reasonable amendment, is it?

There are investors out there who want to invest in the UK. ...

Nigel Adams | 555 c927 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend agree that the contracts for difference must be absolutely defined and clear ...

Daniel Byles | 555 cc927-8 (Link to this contribution)

Absolutely. My hon. Friend makes the point very precisely. In fact, most of the arguments about t...

Mike Weir | 555 cc928-930 (Link to this contribution)

At the time of the autumn statement the Government’s gas strategy was also published. That perhap...

Mike Crockart | 555 cc930-1 (Link to this contribution)

It would be difficult enough to cover this matter in six minutes, Mr Deputy Speaker, but in five ...

Lord Hain | 555 cc931-3 (Link to this contribution)

In achieving the Bill’s aim to deliver secure, affordable and low-carbon energy, there is no bold...

Glyn Davies | 555 cc932-4 (Link to this contribution)

There are two reasons why it is a huge pleasure for me to speak about this Bill today. First, it ...

Stephen Doughty | 555 cc934-5 (Link to this contribution)

I first commend Members of all parties for their thoughtful contributions to the debate and assoc...

Christopher Pincher | 555 cc935-6 (Link to this contribution)

Members will be relieved to learn that I plan to speak only briefly. I welcome the Bill, which is...

Nia Griffith | 555 cc936-7 (Link to this contribution)

First, I must register my disappointment that there is no decarbonisation target for 2030 in the ...

David Mowat | 555 c937 (Link to this contribution)

The hon. Lady makes a number of interesting points on energy-intensive industries, most of which ...

Nia Griffith | 555 c938 (Link to this contribution)

It is important to be aware of the effect of our provisions on all industry and business.

I...

Peter Aldous | 555 cc938-9 (Link to this contribution)

To my mind this is the most important Bill to come before the House in this Parliament, and if we...

Alex Cunningham | 555 cc939-941 (Link to this contribution)

The need for reform of the energy market could hardly be more pressing, with rocketing prices fro...

David Mowat | 555 c941 (Link to this contribution)

The overarching policy statement sets out the context of the problem we are trying to solve, and ...

Daniel Byles | 555 c941 (Link to this contribution)

Does my hon. Friend find it remarkable that Germany chose to switch off its nuclear fleet and rep...

David Mowat | 555 cc941-2 (Link to this contribution)

It is more than remarkable. Germany has also banned carbon capture and storage. That says to me t...

Nigel Evans | 555 c942 (Link to this contribution)

Order. The time limit is being reduced to four minutes. If hon. Members can make their points in ...

Iain Wright | 555 cc942-3 (Link to this contribution)

I vividly remember speaking in the Second Reading debate on the Energy Bill of May 2011. I rememb...

Mark Reckless | 555 cc943-4 (Link to this contribution)

Twenty years ago this country led the world in creating a competitive electricity market. This Bi...

Martin Vickers | 555 c944 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend is making some interesting points. Will he expand on the implications of that £360...

Mark Reckless | 555 cc944-5 (Link to this contribution)

A lot of it is connected with EU regulation, but many of the costs of EU regulation are outside a...

David Mowat | 555 c945 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend may know that Germany is about to build 23 unabated coal-fired stations. Perhaps t...

Mark Reckless | 555 c945 (Link to this contribution)

My constituents work for E.ON, which is a German company, but I am not sure that they would want ...

Kelvin Hopkins | 555 c945 (Link to this contribution)

Will the hon. Gentleman give way?

Mark Reckless | 555 c945 (Link to this contribution)

I do not think I should give way any more.

Why should we not just allow people to build pow...

Nigel Evans | 555 cc945-6 (Link to this contribution)

Order. May I point out that interventions could result in some Members not getting a chance to sp...

Ian Lavery | 555 c946 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is supposed to deliver secure, affordable and lower carbon energy. It is divided into si...

Richard Graham | 555 c946 (Link to this contribution)

I understand the hon. Gentleman’s passion for coal, but does he not agree that the decision to op...

Ian Lavery | 555 cc946-7 (Link to this contribution)

I see nuclear as part of a cross-portfolio of different types of clean energy, and leading that p...

Oliver Colvile | 555 cc947-8 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you for calling me, Mr Deputy Speaker, to speak in support of the Bill. The debate has remi...

Steve Reed | 555 c948 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill misses an opportunity to support community energy co-operatives. Brixton solar energy 1 ...

Martin Vickers | 555 cc948-9 (Link to this contribution)

The Bill is important for the country and particularly for my constituency, as its economic futur...

Michael Meacher | 555 c950 (Link to this contribution)

The interpretation that the Secretary of State put on the two main mechanisms underpinning the Bi...

Caroline Lucas | 555 cc951-2 (Link to this contribution)

I tabled a reasoned amendment to decline giving the Bill a Second Reading. I do not do that light...

Nigel Evans | 555 c952 (Link to this contribution)

To resume his seat no later than 6.40, I call Mr David Anderson.

6.38 pm

David Anderson | 555 c952 (Link to this contribution)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker.

We face the party that inherited the policies of the past 30 ...

Nigel Evans | 555 cc952-3 (Link to this contribution)

Order. We must move on to the wind-ups.

6.40 pm

Tom Greatrex | 555 cc953-6 (Link to this contribution)

We have had an interesting and, at times, enlightening debate on what will be highly significant ...

John Hayes | 555 c956 (Link to this contribution)

Labour Members really are keen now to emulate us as the party of one nation, because we heard the...

John Hayes | 555 c956 (Link to this contribution)

Not until I have quoted Ruskin—that would be premature—but I will do so immediately afterwards.

Lord Field of Birkenhead | 555 c956 (Link to this contribution)

On Ruskin’s point that people should have fuel, the Government estimate that 4 million people are...

John Hayes | 555 cc956-7 (Link to this contribution)

As I hope the right hon. Gentleman knows, we are committed to helping low-income and vulnerable h...

Daniel Byles | 555 c957 (Link to this contribution)

A number of Members mentioned carbon capture and storage during their speeches, and my hon. Frien...

John Hayes | 555 c958 (Link to this contribution)

My hon. Friend will know that the CCS cost-reduction taskforce reported just a week ago and concl...

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