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Health and Social Care Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Monday, 7 November 2011, in the House of Lords.
Health and Social Care Bill. Lords committee stage third day. Clauses 2 and 3 agreed to.

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Reference

732 c11-34, 44-85, 100-16 

Session

2010-12

Department

Department of Health

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

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Proceeding contributions

Earl Howe | 732 c111 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have yet to hear from at least one of those consultants. Clearly it is for them to expla...
Earl of Listowel | 732 c17 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Rix’s amendment on children with complex needs and the special servic...

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Lord Patel | 732 c22 (Link to this contribution) 15: Clause 2, page 2, line 19, after first ““the”” insert ““health””
Earl of Listowel | 732 c21 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his helpful response, particularly with regard to specialist serv...
Earl Howe | 732 c17-21 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that all Members of the Committee will join me in expressing our admiration for ...
Lord Beecham | 732 c15-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by congratulating the noble Lord, Lord Rix, who has been such an outstanding champ...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 732 c15 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may intervene briefly in support of the general thrust of the amendments without...
Baroness Hollins | 732 c13-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments of my noble friend Lord Rix. He made reference to people with lea...
Lord Rix | 732 c11 (Link to this contribution) 13: Clause 2, page 2, line 16, at end insert— ““(c) the promotion and improvement of the health of a...
Baroness Bakewell | 732 c25-7 (Link to this contribution) I support Amendment 18B, which is also included under the heading, "““Duty as to improvement in qual...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 732 c58-9 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may add a few words on an aspect that was touched upon only a moment or two ago by the nob...
Baroness Hollins | 732 c59 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may raise a couple of issues that have been touched upon. The first is that I do not know ...
Lord Winston | 732 c59 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Baroness not agree with me, however, that this is not what this is about? The problem...
Baroness Hollins | 732 c59 (Link to this contribution) I absolutely agree with the comment of the noble Lord, Lord Winston. Commenting on another practitio...
Lord Lucas | 732 c57-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, an apology is not, of itself, an admission of liability. I am very grateful to the noble B...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 732 c58 (Link to this contribution) The experience within the NHS is that people go to law only because they feel that that is the only ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 732 c58 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; I hear someone behind me saying that that is not so. My experience in my 12 years of lea...
Lord Warner | 732 c59-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was not intending to intervene in this debate, but after listening to the discussion I w...
Baroness Wheeler | 732 c60-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by paying tribute to the excellent work of the charities, Action against Medical A...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 732 c54 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with the noble Lord, Lord Mawhinney, who has given the Minister some very positive...
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 732 c54-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I welcome the amendment introduced by the noble Baroness, Lady Masham, and others, and app...
Lord Winston | 732 c52 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the movers of the amendment on the sincerity with which they and the people...
Lord Mawhinney | 732 c52-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I join the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, as a former Member of Parliament. I am guess...
Baroness Oppenheim-Barnes | 732 c50-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene at this point because I have all too real personal experience that may be help...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 732 c51 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I intervene briefly to do precisely what the noble Baroness has just done; namely, draw at...
Baroness Hussein-Ece | 732 c48-50 (Link to this contribution) I, too, wish that there was not a need for this duty and that it was unnecessary. However, as we hav...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 732 c56-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be extremely brief in my contribution. As a former practising doctor and neurologi...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 732 c56 (Link to this contribution) Would an apology affect the litigation?
Lord Marks of Henley-on-Thames | 732 c56 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, often it would. If there is to be litigation, an apology tends to suggest an admission of ...
Lord Patel | 732 c33-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his detailed comments and all noble Lords who took part, although...
Baroness Bakewell | 732 c34 (Link to this contribution) 18B: Clause 2, page 2, line 25, at end insert— ““( ) These outcomes should not exclude sections of t...
Baroness Bakewell | 732 c34 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Earl for his thoughtful consideration of my amendment. Because this is s...
Earl Howe | 732 c34 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I completely understand the points that the noble Baroness has made and I am sure that the...
Baroness Bakewell | 732 c34 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 18B withdrawn. Amendment 19 not moved. Clause 2 ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 732 c44 (Link to this contribution) 20: After Clause 2, insert the following new Clause— ““The Secretary of State’s duty to ensure trans...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 732 c44-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 20 would establish a duty of candour so that any provider of National Health Ser...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 732 c46-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I was director of the Association of Community Health Councils, the message from comm...
Lord Mawhinney | 732 c48 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely grateful to the noble Lord for giving way. I do not want him to interpret m...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 732 c48 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, with all his experience—albeit, like me, as a non-lawyer—is speaking exact...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 732 c100 (Link to this contribution) 24: Clause 3, page 2, line 33, after ““need”” insert— ““(a)””
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 732 c100-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 24, 30 and 299B are tabled in my name and those of the noble Baroness, Lady Fin...
Earl Howe | 732 c79-84 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government are committed to reducing health inequalities, to ensuring equity and fairn...
Lord Warner | 732 c85 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an interesting debate. I do not want to prolong it. The mood of the House wa...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 732 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) On the question addressed to me, I do not know whether I can give an off-the-cuff precise answer to ...
Lord Patel | 732 c106 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to comment on this amendment. As far as declaring an interest is concerned, I have no...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 732 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) I intervene to dispel the view that it has always been even and equal for private and non-private pa...
Lord Ribeiro | 732 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agreed with everything that the noble Lord, Lord Walton of Detchant, said. His historica...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 732 c103-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, 53 years ago, after seven years in full-time clinical research followed by 18 months as a ...
Lord Kakkar | 732 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this group of amendments and in so doing remind your Lordships of my interest as...
Lord Turnberg | 732 c70-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not intended to speak to these amendments, but it is clear that we have had problems...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 732 c71-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness, Lady Thornton, for so clearly analysing the different...
Lord Patel | 732 c73 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support these amendments and I have my name on two of them. I particularly associate mys...
Baroness Hollins | 732 c78 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I particularly welcome the amendments which are designed to strengthen the duty to reduce ...
Baroness Armstrong of Hill Top | 732 c77-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I seek only to intervene briefly on this. The whole issue of how to tackle inequalities in...
Baroness Thornton | 732 c78-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may respond very briefly from these Benches. I took the Committee through our am...
Baroness Murphy | 732 c75 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with those who want to beef up this duty on the Secretary ...
Baroness Greengross | 732 c73-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 33 in my name. I am pleased to follow the noble Baroness, Lady W...
Baroness Tyler of Enfield | 732 c76-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, should like to speak in support of this raft of amendments which are all designed,...
Lord Ribeiro | 732 c75-6 (Link to this contribution) I want to pick up on something that the noble Baroness, Lady Greengross, mentioned; namely, elderly ...
Earl Howe | 732 c65-6 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly why I referred to the need for a culture of openness rather than encouraging a situa...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 732 c66 (Link to this contribution) Following up on what the noble Lord, Lord Walton, said in his intervention about professional bodies...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 732 c67 (Link to this contribution) I thank all noble Lords who have supported, or not supported, the amendment. I say to the noble Lord...
Earl Howe | 732 c67 (Link to this contribution) I shall have to get back to my noble friend on whether it is specifically mentioned in the consultat...
Baroness Hussein-Ece | 732 c66-7 (Link to this contribution) The Minister's comments on mediation prompt me to ask a further question. When I dealt with many of ...
Earl Howe | 732 c66 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unfortunately, I am not an expert in consumer law. My noble friend Lord Marks might be abl...
Baroness Thornton | 732 c68-70 (Link to this contribution) Eight noble Lords have amendments down in this group about inequalities. Many of them seek to do the...
Countess of Mar | 732 c68 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support this amendment. If ever there was a case against inequality of treatment, it is ...
Lord Warner | 732 c67-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my name is on this amendment along with that of my noble friend Lord Rooker, who cannot be...
Lord Warner | 732 c67 (Link to this contribution) 21: Clause 3, page 2, line 33, leave out ““must have regard to the need”” and insert ““is required””...
Earl Howe | 732 c61-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 20, introduced by the noble Baroness, Lady Masham, looks to place a new duty on ...
Lord Harris of Haringey | 732 c65 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Earl for giving way yet again on this perhaps longer than expected debate...
Earl Howe | 732 c63 (Link to this contribution) Our intention is that any provider supplying services to NHS patients should be subject to this duty...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 732 c63 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Earl for giving way. Before he leaves the commissioning issue, would the ...
Earl Howe | 732 c63 (Link to this contribution) I will come on to talk about GPs and primary care providers in a moment, if the noble Baroness will ...
Baroness Wheeler | 732 c63 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may ask the same question about clinical commissioning groups and GP contracts.
Earl Howe | 732 c63-5 (Link to this contribution) Clearly, our concern is for NHS patients. We cannot legislate for private patients who may have comp...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 732 c63 (Link to this contribution) Will this cover private contractors where they provide a service to the National Health Service? Wha...
Earl Howe | 732 c65 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the noble Lord. In fact, the GMC sets out in its Good Medical Practice the following: "...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 732 c65 (Link to this contribution) On the noble Earl’s point about GPs who are not employed by the National Health Service and the issu...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 732 c112 (Link to this contribution) 26: Clause 3, page 2, line 34, after ““England”” insert ““in rural and urban areas””
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 732 c111-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his careful response to the debate. I also warmly thank all noble...
Earl Howe | 732 c114-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady Gibson, and all the amendments in this gr...
Baroness Thornton | 732 c113-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lady Gibson is to be congratulated. I particularly indentify with her rema...
Baroness Jolly | 732 c113 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, given the hour, I shall be brief. I understand exactly why the noble Baroness, Lady Gibson...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 732 c112-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief, bearing in mind the hour. What I have to say about Amendment 26 applies ...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 732 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Jolly, and my noble friend Lady Thornton for their involv...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, will continue to waffle on, because it seems to...
Earl Howe | 732 c108 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Hunt, should be a little bit careful before he comes to this Committee and spea...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c109 (Link to this contribution) I do not know why the noble Earl mentioned the Heart of England NHS Foundation Trust. I declared my ...
Earl Howe | 732 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but I am going to finish. The private sector was paid £250 million for operations that n...
Earl Howe | 732 c109-11 (Link to this contribution) I have no issue with the private sector acting to provide services for NHS patients, and never have ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 732 c111 (Link to this contribution) If the Minister is correct in his description of the status quo, why does he think that three distin...
Lord Willis of Knaresborough | 732 c111 (Link to this contribution) Could I help my noble friend? A sensible suggestion was made that this was more a role for Monitor t...
Earl Howe | 732 c111 (Link to this contribution) I shall be happy to look at that. Of course, Monitor has a role in making sure that a foundation tru...
Earl Howe | 732 c22 (Link to this contribution) I can reassure the noble Earl that the clinical advisory group is taking and welcomes expert advice ...
Lord Rix | 732 c22 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, after that long, complex reply from the Minister, I shall have to read Hansard from top to...
Lord Rix | 732 c11-3 (Link to this contribution) Thank you. Five of the six amendments that I have tabled to the Bill have been grouped together. I w...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 732 c11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I take this opportunity again to remind colleagues that as they are leaving the Chamber th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 732 c28-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been an interesting series of amendments. The noble Lord, Lord Patel made a very ...
Earl Howe | 732 c29-32 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Patel, and other noble Lords for introducing this gr...
Baroness Barker | 732 c27 (Link to this contribution) I follow on from the speech made by the noble Lord, Lord Kakkar, by raising a question for the noble...
Lord Patel | 732 c28 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is no conflict when I use the word ““clinical”” in recognising that it would encompa...
Lord Kakkar | 732 c27 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendments 15 and 19, in the name of the noble Lord, Lord Patel, to which I have...
Lord Patel | 732 c22-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to all the amendments tabled in my name, but before I do so I should like to...
Lord Warner | 732 c24-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments of the noble Lord, Lord Patel. I draw the Minister’s attention to...
Earl Howe | 732 c32-3 (Link to this contribution) Of course there is, and I am grateful to the noble Lord. We are anxious to ensure, however, that any...
Lord Winston | 732 c32 (Link to this contribution) I listened carefully to the Minister’s answers to and rebuttals of many of these amendments, which h...

Subjects

Complaints
Disability
Disclosure of information
Codes of practice
Equality
Health
Finance
Health professions
Learning disability
Private sector
NHS
Patients
Older people
Negligence
National Institute for Health and Care Excellence
Standards
Rural areas
NHS Commissioning Board

Legislation

Health and Social Care Bill 2010-12

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