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Protection of Freedoms Bill (Programme) (No. 3)

Debate on bills on Monday, 10 October 2011, in the House of Commons.
Protection of Freedoms Bill. Programme motion (No. 3) on proceedings on Report and Third reading. Debated and agreed to on division (275 votes to 233) after an amendment was negatived on division (62 votes to 243). Ways and means resolution agreed to on question. Report stage debate first day. Some amendments made. New clause 15 debated and negatived on division (230 votes to 301). Bill to be further considered tomorrow.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

533 c80-152 

Session

2010-12

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

Programme motions
New clauses
Ways and means resolutions

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Protection of Freedoms Bill. As amended in Public Bill Committee.
Tuesday, 17 May 2011
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Featherstone | 533 c136 (Link to this contribution) It is not the norm. This is about making parking work for everyone. We are changing what was an appa...
Stephen Pound | 533 c136 (Link to this contribution) It is not rogue; it is the norm.

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Baroness Featherstone | 533 c136 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for that, but he is wrong. A rogue ticketer who is not a member of an acc...
Diana Johnson | 533 c134 (Link to this contribution) The point I am trying to make to the Minister is that some rogue landowners will put down barriers t...
Baroness Featherstone | 533 c135 (Link to this contribution) That has not been the experience in Scotland. I would say to motorists, first, that they should not ...
Diana Johnson | 533 c134 (Link to this contribution) Let us be clear. Are we saying that if someone receives a ticket in a private car park and there is ...
Baroness Featherstone | 533 c134 (Link to this contribution) The presence of the barrier means that the owner has either expressly or implicitly consented to pay...
Baroness Featherstone | 533 c133-4 (Link to this contribution) Intimidation is against the law. I would say to any motorist intimidated by a rogue ticketer that th...
Diana Johnson | 533 c140 (Link to this contribution) Unfortunately, none of those Acts has ever been used to deal with wheel-clamping problems. I assume ...
Guy Opperman | 533 c138 (Link to this contribution) Everyone would have sympathy with those circumstances. We have all, in the process of representing o...
Henry Smith | 533 c138-9 (Link to this contribution) I am conscious, after the previous debate in which we discussed DNA, civil liberties and serious cri...
Diana Johnson | 533 c139 (Link to this contribution) We have had an interesting debate re-examining the issue. Having listened to the Minister explaining...
Guy Opperman | 533 c140 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady not accept that the Theft Act 1968, consumer protection legislation or, more part...
Baroness Featherstone | 533 c137 (Link to this contribution) Is the right hon. Gentleman saying that he would allow wheel-clamping on private land to continue?
Ben Bradshaw | 533 c137 (Link to this contribution) No. I am making the same point that other Members have made: if we ban wheel-clamping, the danger is...
Guy Opperman | 533 c137-8 (Link to this contribution) I used to be one of the Automobile Association's retained counsels. That is not necessarily a recomm...
Mark Spencer | 533 c138 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend have any sympathy with the small company that has a piece of land in front of it...
Ben Bradshaw | 533 c136-7 (Link to this contribution) I rise briefly to support new clause 15, tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Kingston upon Hull ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 533 c126 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend have any view on unadopted private roads in areas where there is a local authori...
Diana Johnson | 533 c125-6 (Link to this contribution) The Bill sets out in chapter 2 to outlaw wheel-clamping on private land and to introduce a ticketing...
Speaker | 533 c125 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss Government amendments 21, 76, 39 to 54, 77, 55 to 61, and...
Diana Johnson | 533 c125 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Lord Hanson of Flint | 533 c109 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman place in the Library information on exactly how many letters he has received...
James Brokenshire | 533 c109 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the right hon. Gentleman has chosen to try to take us down that path. I am speaking ...
Lord Beith | 533 c82 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for what my hon. Friend says, which helps to set in a more attractive context the othe...
James Brokenshire | 533 c82-3 (Link to this contribution) The timing of the consultation is intended to be such that it can inform proceedings in the other pl...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 533 c110-2 (Link to this contribution) Why make the police's job harder? There are people who would be on the database because they have be...
Alan Johnson | 533 c112-3 (Link to this contribution) I have been a Member of the House for 14 years, and I have not heard such a feeble reply from a Mini...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 533 c109-10 (Link to this contribution) I confirm to the Minister that this is a matter of judgment—a judgment as to whether one is on the s...
Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford | 533 c110 (Link to this contribution) In the oral evidence given to the Select Committee on Home Affairs by Chris Sims of ACPO on 5 Januar...
Philip Hollobone | 533 c81 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend said that the Government have generously given the House two days at this stage of th...
James Brokenshire | 533 c81 (Link to this contribution) As my hon. Friend will appreciate, there is a balance to be struck in all these proceedings. We main...
Speaker | 533 c80 (Link to this contribution) The debate may continue for 45 minutes. I should inform the House that Mr Speaker has selected the a...
James Brokenshire | 533 c80-1 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the Order of 1 March 2011 (Protection of Freedoms Bill (Programme)) be varied as...
Peter Bone | 533 c81 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate that my hon. Friend is a coalition Minister and not a Conservative one; before we got i...
James Brokenshire | 533 c81-2 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend takes the issues of the House extremely seriously, and I respect him for that. The Go...
Andrew Miller | 533 c81 (Link to this contribution) The Minister listed a number of items that the Committee rightly dealt with in great detail. However...
James Brokenshire | 533 c81 (Link to this contribution) We have sought to structure the programme motion to enable consideration of the Bill, and that is ri...
Diana Johnson | 533 c132 (Link to this contribution) I want the Minister to set out very clearly that the Government amendments do not provide for an ind...
Baroness Featherstone | 533 c131-2 (Link to this contribution) I am sure such issues will arise across the land. The way to deal with them will be through either t...
Baroness Featherstone | 533 c132 (Link to this contribution) For any land that is properly signed and under lawful authority, people will be protected by either ...
Diana Johnson | 533 c126-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. That issue was debated in Committee, but unfortunately the ...
Andrew Gwynne | 533 c127 (Link to this contribution) May I give my hon. Friend another example? It involves the Peel centre, a retail park in the centre ...
Diana Johnson | 533 c128 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly right, and our new clause sets out clearly that anyone wishing to issue tickets shou...
Guy Opperman | 533 c128 (Link to this contribution) I was retained counsel by the Automobile Association in 2000, in the case of Vine v. London borough ...
Diana Johnson | 533 c128-30 (Link to this contribution) It is quite clear that consumer protection legislation has not worked in the motorist's favour in th...
Baroness Featherstone | 533 c130-1 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull North (Diana Johnson) pointed out, we had a long debate in...
Jeremy Corbyn | 533 c131 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady will have received correspondence from the Aberdeen Park Maintenance Company, which ma...
Diane Abbott | 533 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) I will of course be supporting the amendment in the Lobby tonight, but is the Minister aware that th...
James Brokenshire | 533 c107 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady, who has taken a close and personal interest in these issues for a number of years, ma...
James Brokenshire | 533 c106 (Link to this contribution) I will give way because I know that the hon. Lady has focused closely on the disproportionate impact...
David Davis | 533 c106 (Link to this contribution) I think this is quite a good indicator of how much the Labour party played with the politics of this...
James Brokenshire | 533 c106 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a very important and powerful case about the effective use of DNA and the...
Alan Johnson | 533 c96 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment 89, page 3, line 43, leave out from 'offence' to end of line 44.
Speaker | 533 c96 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government amendment 1. Amendment 91, pa...
James Brokenshire | 533 c100-1 (Link to this contribution) I just wish to check on the point that the right hon. Gentleman made about that case. I believe he s...
Alan Johnson | 533 c100 (Link to this contribution) It puzzles me. The Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department, the hon. Member for Old Bexley ...
Pat McFadden | 533 c100 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a powerful case. Will he speculate as to why the Government are doing...
Alan Johnson | 533 c100 (Link to this contribution) Given that we know that the nature of rapists is to rape again if they get away with it, that is a v...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 533 c100 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend accept that not only would this person not have been caught, but he may we...
Alan Johnson | 533 c99-100 (Link to this contribution) Potential rapists, murderers, burglars and car thieves knowing about the science of DNA is certainly...
Anne Main | 533 c99 (Link to this contribution) I am intrigued by the figures the right hon. Gentleman cites. Is he suggesting that being on the dat...
Alan Johnson | 533 c97-9 (Link to this contribution) There are several amendments in this group that seek to maintain the current position on DNA retenti...
James Brokenshire | 533 c106 (Link to this contribution) As a proportion of total detections, DNA detections have remained pretty static. If the right hon. G...
Alan Johnson | 533 c106 (Link to this contribution) The total number of detected crimes in which a DNA match was available fell by 11% between 2003-04 a...
James Brokenshire | 533 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman highlights a key issue—the retention of the DNA of those convicted of offences, w...
James Brokenshire | 533 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) When I look at the Members of Parliament who contact me about the DNA database, there are not huge s...
James Brokenshire | 533 c108 (Link to this contribution) Again, I would point to the right hon. Gentleman's colleagues in the Ministry of Justice, who obviou...
Julian Lewis | 533 c108 (Link to this contribution) In deciding whether to support the amendment or the Government tonight, I have to balance the loss o...
James Brokenshire | 533 c108 (Link to this contribution) This is about getting the right people on the national DNA database. By that, I mean those who have ...
Julian Lewis | 533 c108 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is very generous in giving way, particularly as he knows that this will not be a supp...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 533 c83-4 (Link to this contribution) I sense that, deep down, the Minister knows that he is on a sticky wicket and that the programme mot...
Julian Huppert | 533 c87 (Link to this contribution) It might be tempting to vote against all these things. I would love to see a reform of our entire pr...
Peter Bone | 533 c87 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a fair point. Given what the Opposition spokesman said, does that mean ...
Julian Huppert | 533 c87-8 (Link to this contribution) I have not gone through the right hon. Gentleman's previous speeches on such issues to see what he h...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 533 c87 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman voted against the programme motion along with my hon. Friends and it was defea...
Julian Huppert | 533 c86 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief. I am not sure that the hon. Member for Gainsborough (Mr Leigh) and I necessarily a...
Edward Leigh | 533 c84-6 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move amendment (a), after ““Proceedings”” on the first day insert—"'New Clauses relating to...
Julian Huppert | 533 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) So the hon. Gentleman says, from a sedentary position. I tend to agree with him, but that is a topic...
Philip Hollobone | 533 c107 (Link to this contribution) On the gap between the fall in DNA detections and the fall in crime, my hon. Friend the Minister is ...
James Brokenshire | 533 c107 (Link to this contribution) I will, because I know that my hon. Friend has put his name to some of the amendments.
Alan Johnson | 533 c107-8 (Link to this contribution) According to the evidence that the hon. Gentleman's Department gave to the Home Affairs Committee,"“...
James Brokenshire | 533 c107 (Link to this contribution) That point was made by the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle, but I pray in a...
James Brokenshire | 533 c88 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the contributions of a number of right hon. and hon. Members to our consideration ...
Alan Johnson | 533 c101 (Link to this contribution) I did not say that this individual had been convicted. He had been arrested but not charged of a non...
Gareth Johnson | 533 c101 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman concede that unless we take the DNA of every man, woman and child in t...
Alan Johnson | 533 c101-2 (Link to this contribution) I will not concede that argument because, as I said at the beginning, our job, in accordance with th...
James Brokenshire | 533 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) One point of agreement between me and the right hon. Member for Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle (...
Clive Efford | 533 c103 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has just said that he has accepted the principle of innocent until proven guilty, but w...
James Brokenshire | 533 c103 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the hon. Gentleman, who played a key part in Committee. I am sure that I will wel...
James Brokenshire | 533 c103-5 (Link to this contribution) I say to the hon. Gentleman—he and I had a fair and clear debate on this matter in Committee—that th...
James Brokenshire | 533 c105 (Link to this contribution) I will, because I know that the hon. Gentleman has taken a close interest in these matters for some ...
Stephen Pound | 533 c135-6 (Link to this contribution) I know that the hon. Lady's heart is in the right place and that we are trying to achieve something ...
Diana Johnson | 533 c132-3 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in what the Minister is saying. However, self-regulation for wheel-clamping clearly ...
Steve McCabe | 533 c105 (Link to this contribution) The country's police chiefs have rather helpfully told us that large numbers of those who were arres...

Subjects

Civil liberties
Data protection
Criminal proceedings
Databases
Counter-terrorism
CCTV
Biometrics
Crime prevention
Appeals
Arrests
Land
DNA
Immobilisation of vehicles
Fixed penalties
Motor vehicles
Parking
Personal records
Parking offences
Automatic number plate recognition

Legislation

Protection of Freedoms Bill 2010-12

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