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Education Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 14 September 2011, in the House of Lords, led by Baroness Jones of Whitchurch. The answering member was Lord Hill of Oareford.
Education Bill. Lords committee stage tenth day. New clauses (Amendments 124B and 142) debated and withdrawn. Clauses 53 to 71 agreed. Schedules 13, 14 and 16 agreed as amended. Schedules 15, 17 and 18 agreed. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room. [Relevant documents: 15th Report from the Delegated Powers Committee, 13th Report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights.]

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Reference

730 c221-88GC 

Session

2010-12

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Education Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 67-EN also published.
Thursday, 12 May 2011
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Legislative scrutiny: Education Bill and other bills. Human Rights Joint Select Committee thirteenth report with formal minutes and evidence.
Tuesday, 7 June 2011
Parliamentary committees
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House of Commons
Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Fifteenth report on: Education Bill; Localism Bill Parts 1 to 3. (Lords Minutes).
Wednesday, 15 June 2011
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Lucas | 730 c264-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am very encouraged by what the noble Baroness says about all this being possible. I am also very p...
Lord Elton | 730 c263GC (Link to this contribution) I warmly endorse my noble friend’s idea. The measure could be extremely fruitful, particularly given...

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Bishop of Hereford | 730 c255GC (Link to this contribution) That puts the noble Lord very much within the faith spectrum and reflects the views, understanding a...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 730 c285-6GC (Link to this contribution) First, I thank the Minister for his letter to my noble friend Lady Hughes. Our amendment concerns th...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 730 c283-4GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may make a few brief comments in relation to what has been said. I support the intentions ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c288GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 730 c279GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very much in favour of this group of amendments. In particular, I remember the noble ...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c236-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Baroness for her generous comments about the inclusive nature a...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 730 c229GC (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the noble Lord’s response because, like my noble friend Lady Morris, I felt that ...
Lord Layard | 730 c274-5GC (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment 144B. When the four of us tabled the amendment, we thought that it was ...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 730 c275GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I add my support to Amendment 144B and I urge the Minister not to be misled into drawing a...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c246GC (Link to this contribution) I am not sure what the protocol is but I will write to the right reverend Prelate.
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c244GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry not to be able to be more helpful to the noble Baroness because I know that she is also e...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 730 c266-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I give the apologies of the noble Lord, Lord Ramsbotham, who sadly cannot be with u...
Baroness Walmsley | 730 c266GC (Link to this contribution) I have Amendment 143 in this group. First, I thank the Minister for his letter to me dated 5 Septemb...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c267-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend set out the reasons very clearly for bringing together the functions of th...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 730 c264GC (Link to this contribution) No, but they still need teachers. You are quite right: they do not need qualified teachers, but they...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c265-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in a moment we shall come to a discussion about the abolition of the YPLA on which we shal...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c265GC (Link to this contribution) 142A: Schedule 16, page 115, line 34, at end insert— ““Value Added Tax Act 1994 (4) Group 6 of Part ...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 730 c264GC (Link to this contribution) On a point of clarification, and drawing together two debates that we have had this evening, if a sc...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 730 c263-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my noble friend Lord Lucas has spoken persuasively on this occasion of the merits of cyber...
Baroness Walmsley | 730 c263GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, during the Recess I read a book about the lives of crofters in the Western Isles of Scotla...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 730 c263GC (Link to this contribution) It seems that we have two sets of legislation, one for academies and one for everyone else. Such dup...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 730 c262GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is an interesting amendment. It is certainly worthy of discussion and perhaps of supp...
Lord Lucas | 730 c261-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that we should take the opportunity of the freedoms afforded by the move to an aca...
Lord Lucas | 730 c261GC (Link to this contribution) 142: After Clause 62, insert the following new Clause— ““Distance learning at Academies (1) An Acade...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 730 c260-1GC (Link to this contribution) 139K: Schedule 14, page 103, line 10, after ““land”” insert ““to which this paragraph applies”” 13...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c260GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will simply thank the Minister—and her officials, who have been in negotiation with the ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 730 c259-60GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to the amendments to Schedule 14 in the name of my noble friend Lord Hill. T...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c256-7GC (Link to this contribution) I wanted to stress the point about the trusts because it seems to underline all 12 of these amendmen...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 730 c256GC (Link to this contribution) It might help the Committee if this debate were continued on a different occasion, because we are st...
Lord Avebury | 730 c257GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I should answer the criticisms which have been made about my contribution to this debate by ...
Lord Elton | 730 c257GC (Link to this contribution) The right reverend Prelate has not made the request but I make the suggestion that it might expedite...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 730 c257-9GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to reply to the debate, which has been very interesting, and to make very clear that I ...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c257GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, may I just say that in no way was I suggesting—indeed, in no way was I saying—that any of ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 730 c259GC (Link to this contribution) 139H: Schedule 14, page 103, line 9, at end insert— ““This is subject to sub-paragraph (1A). (1A) If...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 730 c259GC (Link to this contribution) 139A: Schedule 14, page 96, line 35, after ““school”” insert ““or a 16 to 19 Academy”” 139B: Sched...
Lord Peston | 730 c256GC (Link to this contribution) The right reverend Prelate does not seem to understand my question. I was simply asking: do we know ...
Lord Peston | 730 c255GC (Link to this contribution) Is the right reverend Prelate saying that we know that there is no discrimination in appointments or...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c256GC (Link to this contribution) At the moment, I am making the point rather about the inspections and the transparency that there is...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c254GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry if I am rather too new to this process. I though that the Minister stood just t...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c254GC (Link to this contribution) We touched on this before when we had the debate, which seems a very long time ago, about the arrang...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 730 c254GC (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister clarify a point for me on this? The amendments have been presented, quite appropri...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c252-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, on that particular point let me reassure the noble Lord, Lord Peston, that I do not intend...
Lord Avebury | 730 c254GC (Link to this contribution) I said I was an honorary associate of the National Secular Society.
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c254GC (Link to this contribution) They are precisely what I want to address, as well as the debate that has just happened. I was here ...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 730 c254GC (Link to this contribution) It is perfectly in order if the right reverend Prelate addresses the amendments that have been set d...
Lord Layard | 730 c285GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may just thank the Minister for his reply and say that I look forward to ongoing discussio...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 730 c285GC (Link to this contribution) 145A: Clause 71, page 55, leave out lines 16 to 34 and insert— 000: Clause 71, ““In section 173 of...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 730 c286GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we will be withdrawing Amendments 145B, 145C and 145E. However, we have some sympathy with...
Lord Layard | 730 c284-5GC (Link to this contribution) 144B: Clause 67, page 53, line 34, at end insert— ““( ) At the end of section 85(1)(a) of ASCLA 2009...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c287-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, let me start on that fair point made by the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, and ...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 730 c288GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. I think we have an agreement about the date, although the date is not...
Lord Low of Dalston | 730 c276-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to follow on from the noble Lord, Lord Addington, to make one very brief poin...
Lord Storey | 730 c278-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the spirit of these amendments. It is good to create more apprenticeships ...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 730 c277GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, have a great deal of sympathy with this set of amendments. The noble Lord, Lord Yo...
Lord Monks | 730 c277-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, speaking as an apprentice Member of the House, I also support these amendments to help the...
Lord Henley | 730 c280-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Young of Norwood Green, and I have been waiting rather a long time fo...
Lord Addington | 730 c283GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend. I should have said thank you at the time. I hope he will appreciate that th...
Earl of Listowel | 730 c280GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that it is out of order for me to speak at this point, but I hope that noble Lor...
Lord Lucas | 730 c280GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had better say to the noble Lord, Lord Sutherland, that I will not move Amendment 145 be...
Lord Henley | 730 c283GC (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to my noble friend for putting it in those terms. That makes it even more importa...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 730 c269GC (Link to this contribution) 144AA: Clause 67, page 53, line 11, at end insert— ““(13) In addition to the above, the Secretary of...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 730 c269-71GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 144AB and 144AC, and give an indication of my view on Ame...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 730 c272GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise, but there is a Division in the Chamber. Sitting suspended for a Division in ...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 730 c272-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was trying to establish that I believe that this commitment on entitlement one by 2015 c...
Baroness Gibson of Market Rasen | 730 c273GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise, but there is a further Division in the Chamber. Therefore, we stand adjourned...
Lord Young of Norwood Green | 730 c273GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall round up as speedily as I can on the final couple of aspects of these amendments. ...
Lord Wakeham | 730 c275GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am here simply to add my support to the noble Lord, Lord Layard, who was a very distingu...
Lord Addington | 730 c275-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I might be allowed to draw the Committee’s attention to Amendment 144C, which stan...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 730 c221GC (Link to this contribution) 124B: After Clause 52, insert the following new Clause— ““School teachers’ qualifications: definitio...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 730 c221-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment would require teachers in all state schools to be qualified. Specifically, ...
Lord Storey | 730 c223-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a great deal of sympathy with this amendment. My experience as a head teacher for 2...
Lord Peston | 730 c224-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I regard teaching is a skilled profession and one that demands all sorts of skills, but I ...
Baroness Whitaker | 730 c238GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not want to hold up the Minister but I should like to endorse what my noble friend Lo...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c238GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in some ways the discussion we have had around this matter reprises some of our earlier de...
Lord Peston | 730 c237-8GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may just finish. The other ambiguity concerns the word ““consult””. What does it mean? Cer...
Lord Elton | 730 c238GC (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord is on the question of definitions, I assume that consultation is the same in all s...
Lord Peston | 730 c237GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been reading a lot recently about ambiguity in legislation and the problem of its i...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 730 c237GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, unusually, I disagree with my noble friend Lady Murphy, and I do so for three reasons. Fir...
Baroness Murphy | 730 c235GC (Link to this contribution) 126:, page 44, leave out lines 24 and 25
Baroness Murphy | 730 c235-6GC (Link to this contribution) I shall move Amendment 126 in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, myself and the noble Baro...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c230-5GC (Link to this contribution) 124E: Schedule 13, page 95, line 14, at end insert— ““ In section 10A (charges at boarding Academies...
Baroness Fookes | 730 c229GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have to adjourn immediately. The Committee will resume in 10 minutes. Sitting suspende...
Lord Skelmersdale | 730 c229GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand that the Grand Committee was debating Amendment 124B and that the noble Baron...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 730 c229-30GC (Link to this contribution) Thank you. I will recap my first point. I thank all noble Lords who contributed to the debate and wo...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c226GC (Link to this contribution) Having been prompted by the noble Lord, Lord Storey, I should like to make a brief intervention, whi...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c226-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with what the noble Baroness, Lady Jones of Whitchurch, and my noble friend Lord S...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 730 c228GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, with respect, I am not convinced by the Minister’s arguments. I agree with people who have...
Baroness Benjamin | 730 c228-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, at a seminar in Birmingham recently, many parents from the black community were in favour ...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c225-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, surely it is the case that everyone here would be totally committed to having the best pos...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 730 c242GC (Link to this contribution) I think I understand what the Minister is saying when he says that you should not prescribe a long l...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c242GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the main points made by the noble Baroness, Lady Hughes, and my noble friends, revisit man...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c241GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that we would all welcome and encourage wide consultation. How helpful is it to be...
Baroness Walmsley | 730 c241GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support what my noble friend said. Clause 55(3)(b) states that one of the people who is ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c243GC (Link to this contribution) If the Secretary of State received an application and the consultation that had been done beforehand...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c243GC (Link to this contribution) The view of the Government is the same as it was a year ago. It is the view that the House reached a...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 730 c243GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to come back, but the key word at the beginning of Amendment 126ZBA is ““including””. Thi...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c242GC (Link to this contribution) Whether the list is short or long, the point is that if there is a short list, there will be an argu...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c243GC (Link to this contribution) We have had a number of occasions when, because the Minister is a very reasonable person, we have no...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c243GC (Link to this contribution) The view that the Secretary of State would take is that schools that are converting need to comply w...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c243GC (Link to this contribution) It is clearly the case that the governing body wanting to convert has to consult the groups it consi...
Baroness Murphy | 730 c239GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. To be honest, I am convinced but I would obviously like to talk to th...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c239GC (Link to this contribution) With respect, did the Deputy Chairman call Amendment 126ZZA?
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c239GC (Link to this contribution) That is the first amendment in what is not the next group of amendments but the group after that, ac...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c239GC (Link to this contribution) I beg the Committee’s pardon. I was working to earlier groupings and wondered why they were listed i...
Lord Skelmersdale | 730 c239GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Murphy, has just withdrawn Amendment 126 to Clause 54. We now mov...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c239-40GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 126ZZB and 126ZBA to Clause 55, and to Amendments 126ZD and 126ZE t...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c239GC (Link to this contribution) 126ZZA: Clause 55, page 45, line 22, leave out ““is converted into an Academy”” and insert ““applies...
Baroness Brinton | 730 c240-1GC (Link to this contribution) I will speak to Amendments 126ZB and 126ZC. Before I do, I will say that I support the comments abou...
Lord Peston | 730 c251-2GC (Link to this contribution) Noble Lords will not be surprised to know that I take it for granted, somewhat cynically, that relig...
Baroness Murphy | 730 c251GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to Amendment 133 in the group. It has very similar effects to Amendment 134 tabled by ...
Lord Avebury | 730 c249-51GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I begin by declaring an interest as an honorary associate of the National Secular Society,...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 730 c248-9GC (Link to this contribution) All I can say is that the legal advice I had on the text before us is that it would be better to say...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c248GC (Link to this contribution) It is my understanding that the head teacher does not have to be a reserved teacher, but that they m...
Bishop of Hereford | 730 c246GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, am I allowed to ask whether the Minister might be kind enough to respond to the point I ma...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c245-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank those Members of the Committee who have contributed to the debate. I also support ...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 730 c243-4GC (Link to this contribution) I want to press this again because this is not about what the applicants think. This is about the po...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c244-5GC (Link to this contribution) I was coming to that point. I have not got very far with my response. On precisely that point, my no...
Lord Peston | 730 c244GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, is the noble Lord going to respond to his noble friend’s devastating intervention on new C...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 730 c246GC (Link to this contribution) I will write to the right reverend Prelate setting out the matter rather than holding up the Committ...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 730 c246GC (Link to this contribution) 127: Clause 60, page 48, line 28, at end insert— ““( ) In section 59(1) of SSFA 1998 (religious opin...
Baroness Turner of Camden | 730 c247-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak to the amendments in this group in my name. They seem complicated, which is b...

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Apprentices
Classroom assistants
Land
Education
Faith schools
Qualifications
Standards
Teachers
Training
Religion
VAT
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Distance learning
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Young People's Learning Agency
Free schools
Maintained schools

Legislation

Education Bill 2010-12

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