Localism Bill. Lords committee stage tenth day. Clauses 124 to 215 agreed to, with clauses 135, 136, 139, 140, 169, 177, 194, 209 agreed to as amended. Schedules 14 to 25 agreed to, with schedules 19, 20, 22 and 25 agreed to as amended. Bill reported with amendments (HL Bill 90).
Relevant documents: 15th and 16th Reports from the Delegated Powers Committee.
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now resolve itself into a Committee on the Bill.
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 729 c1410 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is now 3.09 pm, the House is arranged to close at 7 pm today, it being a Thursday—
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Lord Strathclyde | 729 c1411-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Grocott, is right to say that there have been such occasions. I do no...
Lord Grocott | 729 c1411 (Link to this contribution)
In fully supporting what my noble friend said, my point may seem trivial, but I hope that the House ...
Baroness Hamwee | 729 c1412-3 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 124: Applications for planning permission: local finance considerations
Amendment 166WA
166...
Lord Strathclyde | 729 c1412 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very happy to have further discussions off the Floor of the House, and I am very keen...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 729 c1412 (Link to this contribution)
That is just not true. The noble Lord has not answered the point. How does he expect us realisticall...
Baroness Hamwee | 729 c1413-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lord Greaves, who tabled this amendment, is unable to be here this afterno...
Lord Best | 729 c1442-3 (Link to this contribution)
170CD: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—
““Consideration of planning applications: ...
Baroness Parminter | 729 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my noble friends for making powerful contributions in support of the case for a community ri...
Lord Reay | 729 c1442 (Link to this contribution)
I will say one thing in reply to what the noble Lord, Lord Judd, said about planning officers. I hav...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c1441-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as ever, we come back to this whole business of things being decided locally. I thank nobl...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1441 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are fundamentally in listening mode on this issue. I would particularly like to listen ...
Lord Judd | 729 c1439-41 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Reay, is nothing if not challenging intellectually. I find myself ver...
Lord Reay | 729 c1437-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the present appeal system is unbalanced. Developers have an untrammelled right of appeal a...
Lord Reay | 729 c1437 (Link to this contribution)
170CCA: After Clause 124, leave out lines 45 and 46
Baroness Parminter | 729 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 170CC introduces a community right of appeal, which delivers two things that thi...
Baroness Parminter | 729 c1435-6 (Link to this contribution)
170CC: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—
““Community right of appeal
(1) The Town a...
Lord Berkeley | 729 c1445-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in general planning terms, this amendment seeks to establish how larger developments, whic...
Lord Berkeley | 729 c1445 (Link to this contribution)
170CG: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—
““Matters to which local authorities must ...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1446 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord has introduced an interesting amendment which rustles between two responsib...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we did indeed discuss this yesterday and we had a bit of discussion on the subjective natu...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 729 c1444-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on the groupings list it says ““already debated”” after Amendment 170CE and I would like t...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 729 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
170CE: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—
““Application of Party Wall etc. Act 1996 ...
Lord Best | 729 c1443 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment concerns design review panels and is supported by the noble Lord, Lord Tyle...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
We had a canter round this yesterday—at least it seems like it was yesterday. We are very supportive...
Baroness Whitaker | 729 c1443-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before speaking to Amendment 170CD, perhaps I may express my extreme disappointment with t...
Lord Whitty | 729 c1451-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Shipley, and my noble friend Lord Kennedy for their support f...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1450-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, welcome to the noble Lord, Lord Kennedy. He was sharp, swift and brief—brilliant. We will ...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c1450 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I thank the noble Earl, Lord Attlee, for his kind words from the Government Front B...
Lord Shipley | 729 c1454-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to a number of amendments standing in my name and those of my noble friends ...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c1452-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on behalf my noble friend Lord Patel of Bradford, I beg leave to move Amendment 170CM and ...
Lord Shipley | 729 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise in support of the amendment of the noble Lord, Lord Whitty. Given the range of the ...
Lord Whitty | 729 c1447-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we now move on to the part of the Bill dealing with housing, social housing particularly, ...
Lord Whitty | 729 c1446-7 (Link to this contribution)
170CL: Before Clause 126, insert the following new Clause—
““Local housing strategy
(1) All Local Ho...
Lord Berkeley | 729 c1446 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the Minister for that response. She is absolutely right that on big projects, ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Baroness does so, may I just draw out the Minister a bit on one example? ...
Earl Attlee | 729 c1420-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when I originally drafted my response to my noble friend, I put down the word ““shortly””,...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1420 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think we have now had ““imminently””, ““soon””, and ““very soon””. Can the Minister perh...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1418-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have added our name to the clause stand part debate that was spoken to by the noble Bar...
Earl Attlee | 729 c1419-20 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. My first and pleasant ...
Lord Reay | 729 c1416 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I put my name down to oppose that Clause 124 stand part of the Bill. A report was issued i...
Lord Best | 729 c1416-7 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I could speak before the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, who will bring everything together there...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c1414-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lady Hamwee has put a very convincing case. Like others, when I received a...
Lord Berkeley | 729 c1424 (Link to this contribution)
I wish to move Amendment 168 very briefly and to speak to Amendment 169. As the noble Baroness, Lady...
Lord Berkeley | 729 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
168: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—
““Planning permission for subterranean devel...
Lord Selsdon | 729 c1424 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as it is my amendment and the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley is, I believe, a former member or ...
Lord Colwyn | 729 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord speaks to the amendment, he must move it.
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 729 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
I also would like to comment on this. The groupings list says that these amendments have already bee...
Lord Colwyn | 729 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
Does the Committee wish to discuss Amendment 168?
Earl Attlee | 729 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, wants to weary the patience of the Committee, he is perfectly enti...
Baroness Hamwee | 729 c1422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lady Parminter’s opposition to the clause standing part reflects not just ...
Lord Berkeley | 729 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with the leave of the House, I would like to speak to Amendments 168 and 169.
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c1423 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord is perfectly entitled to speak to an amendment that has not been moved beca...
Lord Judd | 729 c1427-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I must intervene. I had not intended to do so because much the same ground will come up un...
Lord Marlesford | 729 c1427 (Link to this contribution)
In case the House were to think that my noble friend was in a minority of one, I rise to support his...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 729 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
We had every intention of debating it and, as noble Lords will know, I complained about having to wa...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, just about everything that could be said has been said on this matter. The noble Lord, Lor...
Lord Berkeley | 729 c1424 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that remark and I look forward to further discussions with the noble Lord.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1424-5 (Link to this contribution)
I think it is a bit unfair to suggest that the noble Lord, Lord Berkeley, was going to weary the Com...
Lord Reay | 729 c1425-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving my Amendment 170A, I should like to start by quoting what the Minister, Mr Greg ...
Lord Whitty | 729 c1427 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I trust that the Government will give no credence to this intervention by the noble Lord, ...
Lord Berkeley | 729 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 168 withdrawn.
Ame...
Lord Reay | 729 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
170A: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—
““Windfarms: appeal costs
Where an appeal i...
Lord Avebury | 729 c1435 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, for drawing attention to the duty to co-op...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1428 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with respect, I find myself more in agreement with my noble friend Lord Whitty than with m...
Lord Marlesford | 729 c1428 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord misunderstood me; of course, I am aware of that. The point is that the costs likely t...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1428-9 (Link to this contribution)
I understand that point but it seems to be being proposed that the outcome of an appeal is somehow p...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c1429 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Reay, and other noble Lords who have taken part in the discus...
Lord Reay | 729 c1429-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend the Minister for his concluding remarks, although I am ra...
Lord Avebury | 729 c1430 (Link to this contribution)
170B: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—
““Planning permission for sites for Gypsies...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1433 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a deal of sympathy with the position of the noble Lord, but I am constrained by our...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c1433-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it would be impossible to respond to my noble friend's amendment without paying tribute to...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1500 (Link to this contribution)
187: Schedule 25, page 405, leave out lines 8 and 9
187A: Schedule 25, page 421, line 18, at end i...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1494-9 (Link to this contribution)
184A: After Clause 206, insert the following new Clause—
““Part 7A
Compensation for compulsory acqui...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1493-4 (Link to this contribution)
182T: Schedule 22, page 387, line 35, at end insert—
““Local Government Act 1974 (c. 7)
2A In sectio...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
182S: Clause 194, page 174, line 36, leave out ““, as from time to time amended,””
Amendment 182S a...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1493 (Link to this contribution)
182QA: Clause 177, page 165, line 39, at end insert—
““(aa) subsection (4) does not apply to the exe...
Lord Best | 729 c1460-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, a whole series of significant points have been made which I hope do not get lost. We have ...
Baroness Wilkins | 729 c1462 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, may I just add my support to this group of amendments, particularly those in the name of t...
Baroness Hollins | 729 c1459 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support Amendments 171, 172 and 173, as presented by my noble friend Lord Rix. I want to...
Lord Palmer of Childs Hill | 729 c1459-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 173ZZD, 173ZDA and 173ZD. Broadly speaking, these amendments a...
Baroness Gardner of Parkes | 729 c1463 (Link to this contribution)
I too have heard these speeches although I have not been present in the Chamber. I wanted to comment...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1463-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is clearly a debate that needs a lot more time than we have got tonight. I have liste...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 729 c1463 (Link to this contribution)
If nobody else wants to say anything, I do. However, I only want to say it once otherwise I suspect ...
Lord Cormack | 729 c1463 (Link to this contribution)
I will be even briefer. Not for the first time today, I find myself entirely on the side of my noble...
Baroness Doocey | 729 c1458-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 171B, 171C and 173ZA. Amendments 171B and 171C propose a two-s...
Lord Rix | 729 c1456-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak to Amendments 171 to 173, which are scattered among other amendments in the group....
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1492-3 (Link to this contribution)
182LD: Schedule 20, page 383, line 16, at end insert—
““4A In section 38(8) (application of section ...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1491-2 (Link to this contribution)
182LB: Schedule 19, page 379, line 12, at end insert—
““Greater London Authority Act 1999 (c.29)
35A...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1491 (Link to this contribution)
182LA: Clause 169, page 160, line 45, leave out ““, as from time to time amended,””
Amendment 182LA...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1489-91 (Link to this contribution)
181B: After Clause 161, insert the following new Clause—
““Tenants’ deposits
Tenancy deposit schemes...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 729 c1487 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there have been discussions about this. There are circumstances in which that happens, and...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1487 (Link to this contribution)
One further point: is the noble Baroness going to guarantee that we will have sufficient time at Rep...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 729 c1488 (Link to this contribution)
I am most happy to do so. In the ordinary manner of things, we had planned for four days on Report, ...
Baroness Hayman | 729 c1488-9 (Link to this contribution)
The noble Baroness said that, as usual, I would speak a great deal tonight. In fact, I think it is t...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 729 c1487 (Link to this contribution)
The usual channels have taken those issues into consideration, and have come to an agreement which I...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 729 c1488 (Link to this contribution)
Can I just press the noble Baroness the Chief Whip a little further? When we were in discussions a f...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1485-6 (Link to this contribution)
178ZD: After Clause 140, insert the following new Clause—
““Secure and assured tenancies: recovery o...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1485 (Link to this contribution)
178ZC: Clause 140, page 136, line 48, at end insert—
““(7) This section does not apply to a fixed te...
Baroness Anelay of St Johns | 729 c1486-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am most grateful to the Lord Speaker. This is the last day that she will be performing this partic...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c1487 (Link to this contribution)
Can the noble Baroness please explain to me this: if we are going to forbear and not move our amendm...
Lord Rix | 729 c1482 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 175, 176, 177 and 178 regard the Government's intention to remove succession rights for c...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c1482-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry; I was too slow in getting to my feet. I support Amendment 175 in the name of t...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1483-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before responding, I wonder whether I may speak to the amendments in this group that stand...
Lord Rix | 729 c1484 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have no desire to delay your Lordships’ holidays any longer, so I beg leave to withdraw ...
Lord Rix | 729 c1482 (Link to this contribution)
175: Clause 139, page 134, line 15, after ““partner”” insert ““(priority successor)””
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1480-2 (Link to this contribution)
174N: Before Clause 137, insert the following new Clause—
““Creation of tenancies of social housing
...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1479-80 (Link to this contribution)
174B: Clause 136, page 131, line 23, leave out subsection (6)
174C: Clause 136, page 131, line 31,...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
173CC: Clause 135, page 127, line 39, leave out ““(““the original flexible tenancy””)””
173CD: Cla...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
173CAA: Clause 135, page 127, line 30, leave out ““secure”” and insert ““flexible””
Amendment 173CA...
Lord Best | 729 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for that response and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 173C wi...
Lord Best | 729 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for speaking again, but I shall do so only briefly. Amendment 173C is supporte...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a swift answer for the noble Lord. A tenancy strategy will not be onerous. There is...
Lord Best | 729 c1477 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful indeed to the Minister for that very long and valuable exposition of th...
Lord Best | 729 c1477-8 (Link to this contribution)
173C: Clause 131, leave out Clause 131 and insert the following new Clause—
““Tenancy strategies
(1)...
Baroness Hayman | 729 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
If the noble Baroness forgives me, you can only move amendments at the point at which they come in t...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before I respond to the debate, I move the government amendments that are in my name—
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1474-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall learn after another few years if I have not learnt before. My apologies to the Hou...
Baroness Doocey | 729 c1471-2 (Link to this contribution)
Speaking to Amendments 173CA and 173CB, I turn to Amendment 173CA. The purpose of this amendment is ...
Lord Shipley | 729 c1470-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 173CE and 173E. I should say that a gremlin has got into the s...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c1473-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to speak briefly in support of Amendment 173B moved by the noble Lord, Lord Best, a...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c1466-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank all noble Lords who contributed to this debate and the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham...
Lord Best | 729 c1468-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 173B and 173D concern the new regime for flexible tenancies which will change t...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 729 c1410-1 (Link to this contribution)
Sorry, I apologise, but it is the last day before the recess. It is Wednesday, although it feels lik...
Lord Kennedy of Southwark | 729 c1452 (Link to this contribution)
170CM: Clause 127, page 119, line 16, after ““(4)”” insert ““and (7A)””
Baroness Parminter | 729 c1415-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I oppose that Clause 124 stand part of the Bill. My noble friend Lord Jenkin was kind enou...
Lord Avebury | 729 c1430-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Reay, has just said that planning is a matter of getting the balance ...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1499-1500 (Link to this contribution)
186CA: Clause 209, page 183, line 13, at end insert ““or (Taking account of planning permission when...
Lord Rix | 729 c1473 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my Amendment 174 also concerns the Government’s proposal to introduce flexible tenancies o...
Lord Bassam of Brighton | 729 c1412 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for sharing my concern. It is not just the staff of this H...
Lord Best | 729 c1444 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I take some comfort from the Minister’s undertaking to ensure that strong encouragement is...
Earl Attlee | 729 c1422 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord poses a good question that will help to illustrate the situation. He descri...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c1484-5 (Link to this contribution)
178ZA: Clause 139, page 134, line 44, leave out from beginning to end of line 5 on page 135
178ZB:...
Lord Best | 729 c1467-8 (Link to this contribution)
173B: Before Clause 131, insert the following new Clause—
““Exemptions from flexible tenancy regime
...
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