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Education Bill

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Wednesday, 6 July 2011, in the House of Lords.
Education Bill. Lords committee stage fourth day. Clauses 11 to 13 agreed to. Schedules 12 and 13 agreed to. Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

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Reference

729 c121-78GC 

Session

2010-12

Department

Department for Education

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Procedure

New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c178GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Monday at 3.30 pm.
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c151GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I normally find myself 100 per cent in agreement with the noble Baroness, Lady Howarth of ...

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Lord Lucas | 729 c162GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can remember an occasion that illustrates my noble friend’s last amendment. Some boys we...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c165-6GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that my noble friend the Minister accepts that my noble friends are trying to help ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c166GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I spoke a little earlier, I was trying to say that I was sad that the two groupings h...
Lord Lexden | 729 c130-2GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 68 would extend the possibility of carrying out a statutory induction year to du...
Lord Lexden | 729 c139GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my three amendments have precipitated a discussion on induction that has ranged rather mor...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c137-8GC (Link to this contribution) Both the current and proposed primary legislation enable the Government to allow more than one induc...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c122-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in moving Amendment 66, I will also speak to my Amendment 67. These are probing amendments...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c173-4GC (Link to this contribution) With great respect to the noble Baroness, I cannot agree. Perhaps that is because I am a hoary old l...
Lord Lucas | 729 c143GC (Link to this contribution) Yes, it would be rather like driving tests being administered by the driving instructor.
Earl of Listowel | 729 c143GC (Link to this contribution) Can I trouble the Minister just a little further? I was grateful for his response about ensuring tha...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c142-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as was clear in the previous group of amendments, I very much agree with my noble friend L...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c143GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before the Minister sits down, would he accept that there is a difference between a system...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c141GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I could ask a question as part of my response to these amendments. I was going to raise this...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c141-2GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Storey, reminds me of a meeting that I had with the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsl...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c143-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister very much for his characteristically generous response and for his un...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c144GC (Link to this contribution) 73E: Clause 13, page 20, line 6, after ““teacher”” insert ““or other member of staff””
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 729 c143GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, apologise for intervening at this point, but there is one issue on which I would be grateful...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c143GC (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that legislation is required for that, but we will come on to that issue in a later...
Lord Black of Brentwood | 729 c149GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, that is a very easy question to deal with. I am opposed to the inclusion of Clause 13 in i...
Baroness Jolly | 729 c149GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these Benches certainly welcome Clause 13. Our Amendment 75 extends Clause 13 to include s...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c149-50GC (Link to this contribution) I shall to speak briefly to this amendment and to this clause. I am motivated in large part by the s...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c150-1GC (Link to this contribution) I had hoped to support the noble Lord, Lord Phillips of Sudbury, but I am not sure whether he is goi...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c144-6GC (Link to this contribution) Clause 13 introduces into law restrictions on the reporting of alleged offences by a teacher in a sc...
Lord Black of Brentwood | 729 c146-8GC (Link to this contribution) This is not the best day for British journalism, I fear, so I almost hesitate to declare an interest...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c148GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord seems to be arguing against any reporting restrictions. Is he arguing against the inc...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c152GC (Link to this contribution) The difficulty about the police applying to a court is that they will not know that there are other ...
Lord Black of Brentwood | 729 c152GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to deal with an important point in this regard. My noble friend rightly says that t...
Lord Geddes | 729 c158GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Grand Committee will recommence. Before calling Amendment 73HA, I should advise that, ...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c152-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall try to pull together some of the strands from this extremely good and thought-prov...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c152GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was going to keep my powder dry until the next group of amendments. However, I have a pr...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c152GC (Link to this contribution) I would be only too happy if the Minister were to say exactly that.
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c156GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the more I listen, the more I am sad that we did not have the amendment from the noble Lor...
Lord Lucas | 729 c156GC (Link to this contribution) I always find it very hard to agree with the Telegraph, so I have been having a terribly tough time ...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c155-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am really sorry, but can I gently express my incredulity that we can say that teachers are in a di...
Lord Elton | 729 c156GC (Link to this contribution) Without going into the broader field just raised, would my noble friend perhaps look within the scho...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c156-8GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank everybody who has contributed to the debate. The weightiness of the contributions,...
Lord Geddes | 729 c158GC (Link to this contribution) It has been suggested to me—if noble Lords will excuse the possible pun—that, as a matter of conveni...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c167-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I know that my noble friend Lord Phillips is always helpful, as the noble Baroness, Lady W...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c166-7GC (Link to this contribution) First, my Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Phillips, for giving me an annotated photocopy last we...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c158GC (Link to this contribution) 73HA: Clause 13, page 20, line 14, at end insert ““unless that person has put the allegation directl...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c158-62GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I asked for the degrouping because this is already a long group of amendments, which is th...
Lord Black of Brentwood | 729 c162-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendments tabled by my noble friend Lord Phillips and will speak also to Am...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c163GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord makes a really powerful point. I am sure that this legislation was drafted before sup...
Lord Black of Brentwood | 729 c163-4GC (Link to this contribution) I could not agree more with the noble Lord. It is a point that I would like to address. Who could im...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c164-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak extremely briefly as the noble Lord, Lord Black, has made a number of the po...
Lord Lucas | 729 c133-4GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support my noble friend’s first amendment. Making sure that British education around the...
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c132-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, for giving us the opportunity to look a...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c132GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment intrigues me, and it raises a question that I hope the Minister can answer....
Lord Lexden | 729 c130GC (Link to this contribution) 68: Clause 9, page 15, line 13, at end insert ““including any duly accredited school overseas””
Earl of Listowel | 729 c130GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister warmly for his encouraging response, and I thank noble Lords for expr...
Lord Elton | 729 c130GC (Link to this contribution) Very well. I would be grateful if my noble friend would turn his mind again to the question of the i...
Lord Elton | 729 c130GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before my noble friend responds to that—
Lord Lucas | 729 c129-30GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am very encouraged by what my noble friend said in response to the amendments. Perhaps I...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) Academies can choose. It is a choice, as it is with independent schools.
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) If the teacher finishes their initial teacher training and then gets a job in an academy, surely the...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) They are classified as independent schools, so they come under those criteria.
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c135GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister clarify that? If you do your initial teacher training and chose to teach in an acad...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Baroness. I thought we had switched to another subject. A teacher who wishe...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that. It is the teacher I am concerned about. It is just a scenario. The teacher comple...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c134-5GC (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend Lord Lexden for giving us this opportunity to talk about induction, which is...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c135GC (Link to this contribution) Some of this is to do with shortages of teachers. There are more shortages of secondary school teach...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c135GC (Link to this contribution) Given that the Minister raised the background to this debate, which I am grateful to her for doing, ...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c137GC (Link to this contribution) But the independent sector does not have unqualified teachers.
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c137GC (Link to this contribution) They are independent schools, so the freedoms that have pertained for some time in the independent s...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c137GC (Link to this contribution) Could the Minister also explain what the situation will be in so-called free schools where, as I und...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c137GC (Link to this contribution) We will sort that out in the letter because that is certainly not the intention.
Baroness Jones of Whitchurch | 729 c137GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to dwell on this, but I want to pick up the point that the noble Baroness made earlier ab...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c137GC (Link to this contribution) They do not need NQT status in free schools or independent schools. That is not a change.
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) When the Minister writes, will she tell us the principle behind this? Some of us are anxious that we...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we seem to have hit an area where it would be helpful if we take this away, look at the de...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) As I understand this—I may be wrong—teachers’ training is not fully validated until they have succes...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c136GC (Link to this contribution) I do not want to delay the Committee, but this is really important. There is no requirement on acade...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c139GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sorry to trouble the Committee further, but I am still a little worried by the Minist...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c140-1GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment continues with the theme of induction and deals with the rather important i...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c140GC (Link to this contribution) 71: Clause 9, page 16, line 41, after ““regulations”” insert ““must provide for an appropriate body ...
Lord Storey | 729 c141GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will speak briefly. In days gone by, the inspector called. They would sit and watch newl...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c138-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the schools will need to be judged outstanding by Ofsted, so there will be levels of acade...
Earl of Listowel | 729 c138GC (Link to this contribution) I beg the Minister’s pardon for interrupting her, but one point that I know concerns some head teach...
Lord Elton | 729 c139GC (Link to this contribution) Another class of people who deserve a second chance is those who fall over their shoelaces in the fi...
Lord Lucas | 729 c139GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, since the noble Baroness is in writing mood, will she enlarge slightly on the questions th...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c177GC (Link to this contribution) As before, I am grateful to the Minister. I ask him to reflect on the statistics, as the noble Baron...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c175-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will also be brief as we have already rehearsed many of the arguments this afternoon, so...
Lord Black of Brentwood | 729 c175GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will delay the Committee for just one minute. I originally raised these matters at Secon...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c178GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Baroness, and I would have been more cautious in my remarks had I known s...
Baroness Stowell of Beeston | 729 c178GC (Link to this contribution) As a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, I feel that I ought to respond to that point. I ...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c177-8GC (Link to this contribution) No, it would be slander. He very reasonably said, ““Look at the end of the JCHR report where it exon...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c169-70GC (Link to this contribution) I will have a go, and if I need to follow up subsequently, I will. We have made it clear that an off...
Lord Lucas | 729 c169GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may pick up on what my noble friend said about private conversations not being i...
Baroness Walmsley | 729 c170GC (Link to this contribution) Will a private letter from the parent of one child to the parent of another child in the class be re...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c170GC (Link to this contribution) I am not answering. I cannot respond to the speaker. We want to hear from the noble Lord, Lord Phill...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 729 c170GC (Link to this contribution) The issue of Facebook is challenging, because it is possible to establish closed groups within Faceb...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c171-3GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when I tabled the amendments to Clause 13, I thought that I would leave it at that. Howeve...
Lord Phillips of Sudbury | 729 c170GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his, as usual, careful and considerate reply. There are ...
Baroness Perry of Southwark | 729 c173GC (Link to this contribution) At Second Reading, I quoted figures for the past 10 years from the department which showed that more...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c174-5GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I did not think that there would be anything for me to say on the clause stand part debate...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c129GC (Link to this contribution) My view is that independent schools are independent, and I would not look to the taxpayer to pick up...
Baroness Morris of Yardley | 729 c129GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I might ask one brief question about the second part of the amendment tabled by the noble Lo...
Lord Hill of Oareford | 729 c127-9GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Earl, Lord Listowel, for raising the issue of teacher quality a...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 729 c127GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like other noble Lords, I think that the aspiration behind these amendments is to be appla...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 729 c127GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may return to the amendment tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, who has calle...
Viscount Eccles | 729 c126-7GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this might be a good opportunity to follow my noble friend, whom I think I first met 60 ye...
Lord Lexden | 729 c123-5GC (Link to this contribution) Thank you very much indeed, my Lords. Spare a kindly thought, if you will, for your comparatively ne...
Baroness Hughes of Stretford | 729 c125GC (Link to this contribution) I will not detain the Committee. I just wanted, in principle, to support the spirit behind these ame...
Lord Lingfield | 729 c125GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I do not think that anyone could quarrel with the values behind the noble Earl’s amendment...
Lord Elton | 729 c126GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one disadvantage of the Grand Committee system is that, if one has an interest in the Cham...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 729 c123GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am happy to give strong support to Amendment 66, in the light of the remarks that the no...
Baroness Garden of Frognal | 729 c123GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wonder whether the noble Lord, Lord Lexden, could speak to his amendment in this group.
Earl of Listowel | 729 c121-2GC (Link to this contribution) 66: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause— ““Minimum qualifications for teachers (1) To co...
Lord Storey | 729 c123GC (Link to this contribution) My Lords, briefly, I agree very much that in-service training—CPD, as we call it—is hugely important...

Subjects

Disclosure of information
Discipline
Crime
Defamation
Classroom assistants
Education
General Teaching Council
Qualifications
Protection
Private education
Pupils
Newspaper press
Media
Standards
Telecommunications
Teachers
Training
Young offenders
Academies
Free schools
International schools
Maintained schools

Legislation

Education Bill 2010-12

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