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Localism Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 5 July 2011, in the House of Lords.
Localism Bill. Lords committee stage fifth day. Schedule 5 agreed to as amended. Schedules 6 and 7 agreed to. Clauses 67 to 73 agreed to. Clause 74 under consideration. Relevant documents: 15th and 16th Reports from the Delegated Powers Committee.

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729 c133-97, c213-46 

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2010-12

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Department for Communities and Local Government

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Committee stage

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Localism Bill. Brought from the Commons. In two volumes. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 71-EN also published.
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Delegated Powers and Regulatory Reform Committee. Sixteenth report on the Localism Bill - Parts 4 to 8. (Lords Minutes).
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Proceeding contributions

Lord True | 729 c160, (corrigendum) 711-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have some sympathy, of course, for the direction that the noble Lord is coming from, but...
Lord Greaves | 729 c171 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, if the House is willing to be tolerant, I will admit that I was asleep.

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Viscount Ullswater | 729 c171 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have called Amendment 130ZD and it was not moved. I now call Amendment 130A. Amendment ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c170-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have been hugely encouraged by the amount of support all around the House for the fact t...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c171 (Link to this contribution) I am standing up to give the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, time to move his amendment, which comes befor...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c169-70 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be very brief. I have listened carefully to what the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin of Ro...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c170 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the noble Lords who have introduced these amendments. I wonder if I may deal first...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c169 (Link to this contribution) Immediately, exactly the same bodies and people, including local charities and voluntary bodies, sho...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c169 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, perhaps I may ask a question. I have a great deal of sympathy for the noble Lords’ amendme...
Lord True | 729 c168-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I put my name to the first of the two amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, an...
Lord Greaves | 729 c168 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for that intervention. Libraries are an example of this. In some pa...
Viscount Ullswater | 729 c166 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I must advise your Lordships that if this amendment is agreed to I will not be able to cal...
Lord Greaves | 729 c166-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have Amendment 130ZC in this group, which I will speak to in a minute. Before I do, I wa...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c163 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am holding the line with the Bill. Anyone who thinks about challenging must put together...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c163 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely—if I was a consultant, it would be done. Unfortunately, however, there are not many folk ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c163 (Link to this contribution) 130: Clause 68, page 57, line 31, leave out paragraphs (a) to (d) and insert ““any public body, incl...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c163-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 131 and 132. No doubt other noble Lords will speak to Ame...
Lord Greaves | 729 c161 (Link to this contribution) To go back to the question I asked, the answer my noble friend gave is probably OK if the two applic...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c162-3 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that the best that he could offer was to put this into regulations. That is obviou...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c161-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall have to come back to the noble Lord on that. There two ways in which these expressions can b...
Lord Greaves | 729 c179-81 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was very carefully not saying ““Not moved”” to any of those previous amendments. I rise...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c181-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak to Clause 73 stand part. On the face of it, the heading of the clause, ““Pro...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c179 (Link to this contribution) I rather expected that the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, would be doing the heavy lifting at this point ...
Lord Greaves | 729 c179 (Link to this contribution) 131D: Clause 68, page 58, line 17, at end insert— ““( ) This section does not apply to any company o...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry for interrupting the Minister again but this is a very important point. I can cite two ex...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c177 (Link to this contribution) I am even more confused but I will endeavour to look at that in due course. As I was saying, the Bil...
Lord Beecham | 729 c178 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord replies, may I point out that I have an amendment dealing with precisely that ...
Lord Greaves | 729 c178 (Link to this contribution) If there are not to be clear structures which are recognised as appropriate, how do you prevent the ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c178 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand what the noble Baroness is saying, but there is a concern about being overpre...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c174 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Lord, Lord Beecham, but for those of us who rely on the loop, the microphon...
Lord Beecham | 729 c174 (Link to this contribution) I shall be very brief. My Amendment 131AA looks at the definition that the noble Lord, Lord Greaves,...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c175 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief. I am specifically speaking to support Amendments 130A and 131A, both of ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c176 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is rather a lot here and I thank noble Lords who have taken part. Before I come to m...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may help the Minister with this because the point about my noble friend’s Amendment 131AA ...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c171 (Link to this contribution) 130A: Clause 68, page 58, line 7, after ““authority”” insert ““who have formed an organisation for c...
Lord Greaves | 729 c172-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise for falling asleep; it is these Zs all over the place which are doing it. I am...
Lord Beecham | 729 c174 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to assist, in a sense, the noble Lord, Lord Newton, by clarifying the description o...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 729 c174 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to build with a couple of questions on what my noble friend Lord Greaves and the no...
Lord Greaves | 729 c186-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thought that this group might lead to an interesting discussion. We have had an interest...
Lord Greaves | 729 c187 (Link to this contribution) 131J: Clause 68, page 58, line 23, at end insert— ““regarding services provided on behalf of more th...
Baroness Hamwee | 729 c186 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am relieved to hear the Minister say that, as the noble Lord, Lord Newton, seemed to be ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c186 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I understand the point that the noble Baroness is making. I will bear it in mind and take ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c185 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is my understanding that the community body could have as a partner another body that h...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c185 (Link to this contribution) The quick response is that the community has the right to challenge. It is in the Bill—although I ca...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 729 c185 (Link to this contribution) Can I be absolutely clear about that? I am sorry; I am becoming as talkative as the noble Baroness. ...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c185 (Link to this contribution) I think that the wording we are discussing is almost duplicated in Clause 88, which will be opposed ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c185 (Link to this contribution) All I can do is repeat what I said at the beginning. Before we return to this, we shall either have ...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 729 c185 (Link to this contribution) I hope that I may hop in before the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, sums up, because I have been left in a...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c184 (Link to this contribution) That would be the exercise that is carried out by the local authority. It does not say how the autho...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c184 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord invites me to comment on this. My comment is that it is not the Secretary of State’s ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c184 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness takes words out of my mouth. I did indeed say that that is exactly what could hap...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c184 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister give the House an idea of when the draft regulations on this clause will be laid?
Baroness Hamwee | 729 c183 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I wish to ask one question, which has occurred to me only while listening to the debate—ot...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c183-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 131D seeks to confirm that bodies which carry out activities for profit cannot b...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c184 (Link to this contribution) I do not understand, then, why Clause 73(1)(b) talks about, "““participation in a procurement exerci...
Baroness Byford | 729 c158 (Link to this contribution) Have those consultations finished, or are they ongoing?
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c158 (Link to this contribution) That formal consultation has now finished, but I am pretty certain that, bearing in mind that this i...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c159 (Link to this contribution) 129W: Clause 68, page 57, line 28, at end insert— ““( ) the expression of interest includes evidence...
Lord Greaves | 729 c158-9 (Link to this contribution) Will what is published be a pretty good summary of what people said in the consultation, as well as ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c160-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the other side of the coin in terms of whether one is being too prescriptive. This...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c159-60 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as has already been explained, Clause 68 concerns the duty placed on relevant authorities ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c161 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the council concerned will have its own procedures for dealing with these things, but the ...
Lord Greaves | 729 c161 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that more than one relevant body might submit an expression of interest in a parti...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c161 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is asking, in effect, to put a regulation into the Bill. The government line is that ...
Lord Beecham | 729 c161 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister indicate that on this topic, at least, there will not be regulations from the Gover...
Earl Attlee | 729 c149 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that the need to pay an EU fine will be an exceedingly unlikely event.
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 729 c149 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord consider a scenario in which a local authority is required to increase substanti...
Earl Attlee | 729 c149 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment seeks to allow an authority another bite at the cherry if it loses a counci...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c148 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 129LAA seeks another safety valve for limited, possibly exceptional, circumstanc...
Earl Attlee | 729 c150 (Link to this contribution) 129LB: Schedule 5, page 271, line 33, leave out from ““Acts”” to end of line 37 Amendment 129LB agr...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c150 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw. Amendment 129LAA withdrawn. Amendments 129LAB to 129LAC not moved. Amend...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c149 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord for his response but I do not think he really dealt with t...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c148 (Link to this contribution) 129LAA: Schedule 5, page 267, line 17, at end insert— ““( ) On application by a relevant authority, ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c148 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we are happy to support these amendments. Amendment 129LA agreed. Amendment 129LAA Move...
Lord Greaves | 729 c152 (Link to this contribution) 129V: Clause 68, page 57, line 26, leave out from ““with”” to end of line 28 and insert ““this Chapt...
Earl Attlee | 729 c151-2 (Link to this contribution) 129N: Schedule 5, page 280, line 30, after ““than”” insert ““a county council or”” 129P: Schedule ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 729 c153-4 (Link to this contribution) Most certainly not. The noble Lord, Lord Greaves, ceased to surprise me about 20 years ago. My point...
Lord Greaves | 729 c152-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now move on to Chapter 3 of Part 4 of the Bill, excitingly titled ““Community Right To ...
Lord Beecham | 729 c154 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendments in my name start with Amendment 130ZBA. In estate agents’ parlance, the key...
Lord Greaves | 729 c154 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is, unusually, wrong. It is not a new form of coalition Government; it is how mos...
Baroness Hamwee | 729 c155 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that they use plain English in Colne. I imagine that it is very direct language,...
Earl Attlee | 729 c150 (Link to this contribution) 129M: Schedule 5, page 280, line 29, at end insert— ““(ba) the amount of any levies and special levi...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c151 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think that I am grateful to the noble Earl for his explanation but I would like to read ...
Earl Attlee | 729 c150-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to government Amendments 129N to 129U. This group of amendments address...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c158 (Link to this contribution) I do not have it to hand, but I am pretty certain that they are to be published on 2 August. I think...
Lord Greaves | 729 c157-8 (Link to this contribution) My noble friends Lady Hamwee and the Minister are straying on to matters covered by future amendment...
Lord Beecham | 729 c157 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord may recall that I have an amendment dealing with precisely that matter, which we will...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c157 (Link to this contribution) Letting many flowers bloom is the position. Clause 68(5) refers to a ““voluntary or community body””...
Baroness Hamwee | 729 c157 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend responds, I wonder if I may just say a word about that last point on social e...
Lord Beecham | 729 c156 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord confirm that the Government accept the recommendations of the Delegated Powers C...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c155-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank those who have contributed to this series of amendments. We have a fresh start her...
Baroness Hamwee | 729 c155 (Link to this contribution) But do they read the plain English guide to the Localism Bill? That says, on the community right to ...
Lord Greaves | 729 c155 (Link to this contribution) A lot of people in Colne used to read the Beano.
Earl Attlee | 729 c148 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, government Amendments 129LA and 129LB ensure that only residents and not business voters a...
Lord Greaves | 729 c146 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that the billing authority—I am thinking in terms of a two-tier area with counties...
Earl Attlee | 729 c147 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I can assure my noble friend that my words are very carefully chosen.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c145 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help the Minister. The purpose of these amendments is much more straightforward than t...
Earl Attlee | 729 c145-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, these are complex matters, and I am advised that I should read it all out. Subsection (8)...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c147 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for that. I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 129LZB withdrawn. Am...
Earl Attlee | 729 c147 (Link to this contribution) 129LA: Schedule 5, page 266, line 45, leave out from ““Acts”” to end of line 2 on page 267
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c147 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his very full response to these amendments. We will need to read ...
Earl Attlee | 729 c147 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, while not agreeing to take the matter away, I will unpack the issue with my officials and,...
Earl Attlee | 729 c144-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendments 129ZB and 129LAB would add the words ““non-domestic rates”” to new Section 52ZF...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c142-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall speak also to the other amendments in the group. I hope that noble Lords will forg...
Lord Greaves | 729 c140 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that; it is a step forward. If the Government are to do that over the Recess, will...
Earl Attlee | 729 c140 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think it would be extremely unlikely that we did not take advice from the Electoral Comm...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c140-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have spent more than half an hour on this amendment, following the speech of the noble ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c141 (Link to this contribution) 129LZA: Schedule 5, page 264, line 27, at end insert ““, and must be accompanied by the reasons for ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c141 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a straightforward matter and I hope it will not detain us for long. In determining...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c142 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply. The amendment would have operated not only in circumst...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c142 (Link to this contribution) 129LZB: Schedule 5, page 265, line 43, after ““rates,”” insert ““non-domestic rates,””
Earl Attlee | 729 c140 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I cannot agree with my noble friend's point that it does not have a place in legislation, ...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 729 c140 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord decides what to do with his amendment, will the Minister undertake during this...
Earl Attlee | 729 c140 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, my understanding is that they are the different types of precepting authorities, but I wil...
Earl Attlee | 729 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope to give the noble Lord some comfort on that. Within the context of that policy, the...
Lord Beecham | 729 c140 (Link to this contribution) What sort of categories might the Secretary of State have in mind? Is the noble Earl referring to ty...
Earl Attlee | 729 c139 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my noble friend for refreshing my memory. He is absolutely right; that is...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c139 (Link to this contribution) The Minister seems disinclined to accept the amendment, which would remove the word ““excessive”” fr...
Earl Attlee | 729 c139 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am not certain of the details, and I hope we will come to a suitable amendment to debate...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c139 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord McKenzie, asked that specific question last Thursday, and my noble friend gave ...
Lord Greaves | 729 c139 (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that it will be up to the local authority to persuade the local electorate of the ...
Earl Attlee | 729 c137-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is a large group. I shall speak first to Amendments 129LZZZA, 129LZZG, 129LZZH, 129LZ...
Lord Tope | 729 c136-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suppose I can rise to speak on behalf of the only party in this House that is unencumber...
Earl Attlee | 729 c138-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely grateful to the noble Baroness because I passed by my handwritten notes and...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c133-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I hope that I will be able to deal with these amendments quite shortly. Last Thursday my n...
Baroness Hayman | 729 c134 (Link to this contribution) I have to inform the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to I cannot call Amendments 129LZZA ...
Lord Greaves | 729 c134-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have added my name to amendments in this group and I agree with everything that the nobl...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c135-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I wish to speak to the amendments spoken to by the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, with w...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c133 (Link to this contribution) 129LZZZA: Schedule 5, page 263, leave out lines 9 to 29
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c188-9 (Link to this contribution) Amendment 133ZK would remove the Secretary of State’s power to specify in regulations the grounds fo...
Lord Greaves | 729 c187-8 (Link to this contribution) This amendment is the first in a group of four amendments. In moving it, I will also speak to the th...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c195 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I need real notice of that last point as it is a bit technical. I have not heard of parish...
Lord Shipley | 729 c213 (Link to this contribution) Clause 69 : Timing of expressions of interest Amendment 133ZA 133ZA: Clause 69, page 58, line 27, ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c195-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I believe that is the case. I do not see that that should be disturbed by anything that th...
Lord Lucas | 729 c196-7 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for that reply but not for the content of it. We will come to these matters ...
Lord Beecham | 729 c214 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I also have an amendment in this group. First, I endorse what the noble Lords, Lord Shiple...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c214-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 133ZC would remove the Secretary of State’s power to specify minimum periods for...
Lord Greaves | 729 c213-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two amendments in this group, Amendments 133ZC and 133ZE. They are all about the ma...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 729 c195 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether the noble Lord can help me on a point which is prompted by this proposition. If you...
Lord Greaves | 729 c189 (Link to this contribution) My lords, I will withdraw it in a minute. However, I will, as always, read carefully what my noble f...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c189 (Link to this contribution) I have no idea whether there is any estimate. When starting afresh with a new proposal, one of the t...
Lord Greaves | 729 c190 (Link to this contribution) The Minister is tempting me to go into a whole new area, which I will resist, except simply to say t...
Lord Lucas | 729 c190 (Link to this contribution) 133: After Clause 68, insert the following new Clause— ““Duty to consider requests (1) A relevant au...
Lord Lucas | 729 c190-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the amendment gives a town or parish council the power to put in a request to its superior...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 729 c192 (Link to this contribution) Prompted again by what I have heard—I hope that this is not out of order, because it raises a point ...
Lord Greaves | 729 c192 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, legally, town councils are parish councils. I think that is the answer the Minister will g...
Earl of Lytton | 729 c192-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is nothing like the words ““parish council”” to get me out of my seat. Noble Lords w...
Lord Newton of Braintree | 729 c194 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I knew it was a mistake to mix with these experts. I had better apologise for not understa...
Lord Shipley | 729 c215-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I agree with much of what my noble friend Lord Greaves has said. This is about the issue o...
Lord Greaves | 729 c216 (Link to this contribution) 133ZD: Clause 70, page 59, line 1, leave out from ““must”” to end of line 3 and insert— ““(a) decide...
Lord Greaves | 729 c215 (Link to this contribution) From my point of view, if this provides a bit more flexibility to deal with local holidays and thing...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c219-21 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the two noble Lords who have taken part in the debate. I have several notes here f...
Lord Greaves | 729 c221 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there have been a number of useful and welcome statements, which have helped us to underst...
Lord Greaves | 729 c216-8 (Link to this contribution) I have this somewhere. Sorry, my Lords, I got a bit carried away with the previous amendment and sto...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c218-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, has raised important issues, and I look forward to the Minis...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c222 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, Amendment 133ZDA would require that a majority of the workforce affected by an expression ...
Lord Beecham | 729 c221-2 (Link to this contribution) This amendment, and the other amendment in this small group, Amendment 133ZEB, relate to the situati...
Lord Greaves | 729 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we now move on to Chapter 4 of Part 4 of the Bill, which relates to assets of community va...
Lord Beecham | 729 c224 (Link to this contribution) Does the noble Lord have a view on the utility of Clause 74(2) which reads: "““The list maintained u...
Lord Beecham | 729 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) I will first deal with the rather strange analogy that the Minister has drawn between this situation...
Lord Greaves | 729 c223 (Link to this contribution) 133D: Clause 74, page 61, line 5, leave out ““land in its area that is land”” and insert ““businesse...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 729 c227 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has set out in detail her view of Chapter 4. I have a completely opposing view of it. I...
Earl Attlee | 729 c228 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I suggest that we go into the detail of the amendments and then, if the noble Lord wishes,...
Lord Greaves | 729 c225 (Link to this contribution) I beg your pardon. I beg to move Amendment 133D.
Baroness Hanham | 729 c225-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, before we proceed any further, it might be helpful to Hansard and to the rest of the discu...
Lord Greaves | 729 c224-5 (Link to this contribution) I do not know. If the local authority is maintaining a list of land or businesses of community value...
Earl Attlee | 729 c228 (Link to this contribution) On the appropriate clause stand part debate.
Lord Hodgson of Astley Abbotts | 729 c228-30 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am extremely grateful to my noble friend for her explanation. She gave us quite a lot of...
Lord Cotter | 729 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, first, I thank the Minister for her comments. There is no question that I and many noble L...
Lord Gardiner of Kimble | 729 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to speak to Amendment 136ZD in my name and that of my noble friend Lord Cathcart. M...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 729 c228 (Link to this contribution) On the whole of Chapter 4? At which stage? After the first amendment?
Baroness Thornton | 729 c235-6 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for that clarification. As the noble Baroness said, it is not about forcing a sale, or fo...
Lord Moynihan | 729 c232-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support Amendments 136, 136ZA and 136ZD, to which my noble friend has just spoken. In so...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 729 c234-5 (Link to this contribution) I want to make one or two points. I have been hugely impressed by what my noble friends have been sa...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it is time that someone stood up and said how much they welcome what the Minister had to s...
Earl Cathcart | 729 c235 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, just for clarity, I point out that the noble Baroness referred to a ““community right to b...
Earl of Lytton | 729 c236-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I need to declare my interest which I have not previously declared—there has been no need ...
Baroness Byford | 729 c239 (Link to this contribution) As my noble friend says, it would be the price, but one is not going to bid for something unless one...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 729 c237-8 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, like my noble friend Lord Hodgson, this is my maiden speech on the Bill. I intend it to be...
Baroness Byford | 729 c238-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have waited very patiently because my name is not added to any of those amendments, but ...
Lord Lucas | 729 c240-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is going to make for a very interesting Division on Report. It will be fascinating to...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 729 c241 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will be very brief as the noble Baroness, Lady Byford, covered many of the points succin...
Lord Cameron of Dillington | 729 c239 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have had a note from the government Front Bench saying, ““Do say what you wanted to say”...
Earl Cathcart | 729 c239-40 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, obviously, I support Amendment 136ZD, ably proposed and argued for by my noble friend Lord...
Baroness Hanham | 729 c241-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this has been a longer debate than we would have hoped for at this time of night. I fully ...
Lord Greaves | 729 c246 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have lots of things to say about everything in this group, but I am not going to because...
Lord Moynihan | 729 c167-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my noble friend for raising that. Very briefly, a classic example of this are the n...
Baroness Thornton | 729 c171-2 (Link to this contribution) In that case, I will speak to my amendments and give the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, a chance to catch...
Lord Shipley | 729 c213 (Link to this contribution) I shall also speak to Amendment 133ZB and I shall be very brief, because a number of the issues that...
Lord Greaves | 729 c144 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have a later amendment, Amendment 129LEA, which is on its own. I would have included it ...
Baroness Farrington of Ribbleton | 729 c138 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister indicate a preparedness to discuss between Committee and Report the implications o...
Lord Beecham | 729 c221 (Link to this contribution) 133ZDA: Clause 70, page 59, line 3, at end insert ““but in the case of an expression of interest fro...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) I am quite clear that, if there are two employees, we are back to the whole business about looking a...
Lord Greaves | 729 c195 (Link to this contribution) Will my noble friend confirm that it will still be possible for district councils or any principal c...
Lord Flight | 729 c236 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I understand it, what this is about, as the noble Baroness has just described, in the c...
Earl Attlee | 729 c150 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I imagine that the local authority will have to adhere to its reduced budget but, if I hav...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 729 c156-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the Government are considering those recommendations. I will not make any promises on that...
Earl Attlee | 729 c141-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment appears to assume that the Secretary of State will inevitably determine dif...

Subjects

Conditions of employment
Community interest companies
Community development
Assets
Business
Buildings
Council tax
County councils
Employment
Land
Expenditure
Increases
District councils
Local government
Property transfer
Planning
Public bodies
Business rates
Referendums
Procurement
Local government services
Parish and town councils
Provident societies
Voluntary organisations
Sports
Social enterprises

Legislation

Localism Bill 2010-12

Link

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