Health and Social Care Bill. Programme motion (No. 2) on proceeedings on re-committal to the Public Bill Committee. Agreed to on division (297 votes to 224).
Health and Social Care Bill (Programme) (No. 2)
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 21 June 2011,
in the House of Commons,
led by Simon Burns.
The answering
member was John Healey.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
530 c198-219Session
2010-12Legislative stage
Committee stageChamber / Committee
House of Commons chamberRelated items
Health and Social Care Bill. As amended in Public Bill Committee. In two volumes.
Thursday, 31 March 2011
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House of Commons
Thursday, 31 March 2011
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Proceeding contributions
Speaker | 530 c199 (Link to this contribution)
Several Members wish to participate in this very short debate. It will last for only an hour, and we...
Simon Burns | 530 c199 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely, Mr Deputy Speaker.
Given our commitment to, and the paramount importance of, the NHS, w...
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Simon Burns | 530 c199 (Link to this contribution)
I was about to come on to what we propose to do, but I will give way to the hon. Member for Peniston...
Speaker | 530 c199 (Link to this contribution)
Hold on. Keep calm. I am absolutely certain that the Minister is about to move on to the programme m...
Kevin Brennan | 530 c199 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Some of us wish to talk about the programme motion that we a...
Simon Burns | 530 c199 (Link to this contribution)
If Opposition Members were more interested in listening than in trying to be disruptive, they would ...
Lord Beamish | 530 c199 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I thought we were debating a programme motion, but the speec...
Simon Burns | 530 c198 (Link to this contribution)
It is a programme that will end the culture of processed targets and diktats from politicians and of...
Simon Burns | 530 c198 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That the following provisions shall apply to the Health and Social Care Bill for the ...
Speaker | 530 c198 (Link to this contribution)
Order. I know that passions are running high, but it is important that we hear the Minister.
David Wright | 530 c198 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. Will you find out from the parliamentary authorities whether...
Speaker | 530 c198 (Link to this contribution)
Good try, but let us move on.
Grahame Morris | 530 c203 (Link to this contribution)
Does my right hon. Friend agree that despite the Conservatives saying that they are against cherry-p...
Simon Burns | 530 c201-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady, from a sedentary position, rather like a Greek chorus that ill-befits her, asks when....
Speaker | 530 c202 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Please resume your seat. That is not a matter for the Chair; it is an extension of the debate...
Simon Burns | 530 c202 (Link to this contribution)
As I was saying, although the pause may have ended, we will never stop listening. [Laughter.] That i...
John Healey | 530 c202-3 (Link to this contribution)
Last week, we had a political fix on the Government's health Bill. This week, we have a procedural f...
John Pugh | 530 c203 (Link to this contribution)
Regardless of the merits of the Bill, does the right hon. Gentleman accept that what the NHS and the...
John Healey | 530 c203 (Link to this contribution)
What the public and patients want is to get to the bottom of the changes the Government said they we...
John Pugh | 530 c203 (Link to this contribution)
But does the right hon. Gentleman accept that those concerns will all be covered in the areas of the...
John Healey | 530 c203 (Link to this contribution)
I do not normally quote the hon. Gentleman's party leader, but a few weeks ago, the Deputy Prime Min...
Simon Burns | 530 c201 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and you can rest assured that I am doing my bit. If only Opposition Me...
Simon Burns | 530 c200 (Link to this contribution)
Earlier, Opposition Members complained that I was not discussing why the Bill was being recommitted,...
Simon Burns | 530 c200 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way once more, to the hon. Member for St Helens North (Mr Watts), and then I will make p...
Angela C Smith | 530 c199 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for giving way.
It is not unprecedented for Bills to come back to the House ha...
Simon Burns | 530 c200 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady might not be too familiar with the past. Two previous Bills have been recommitted, bot...
Kevin Brennan | 530 c200 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. In fact, the last Bill to be partially recommitted to a Comm...
Speaker | 530 c201 (Link to this contribution)
That is just an extension of the debate. I reiterate that we have only one hour to debate this progr...
Lord Watts | 530 c200 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for giving way.
So far today, the Minister has used the precedent of 1983. Wil...
Simon Burns | 530 c200 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman seems a little confused. He is talking about 1983, but if he had been listening h...
Lord Watts | 530 c205-6 (Link to this contribution)
Does not this go to the root cause of the way the Government are dealing with the NHS? They are deal...
John Healey | 530 c206 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. What the Government are doing is reckless and rushed. The NHS is still inta...
John Healey | 530 c206 (Link to this contribution)
I give way for the last time to the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon).
John Pugh | 530 c207 (Link to this contribution)
I will briefly specify three linked reasons, good and bad, why we support the Government's programme...
Bill Esterson | 530 c207 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will have been lobbied by constituents in the same way that I and other Members h...
John Pugh | 530 c207 (Link to this contribution)
The public are perfectly entitled to an answer on whether the Bill contains cherry-picking or not, b...
Jim Shannon | 530 c206 (Link to this contribution)
The Committee had 28 meetings, 100 Divisions and hour upon hour of debate. That has been reflected i...
John Healey | 530 c206 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman served on the Public Bill Committee. I hope he will continue to serve when the Bi...
Speaker | 530 c206 (Link to this contribution)
Order. Many Members wish to participate and there is only half an hour left, so long speeches would ...
John Healey | 530 c204 (Link to this contribution)
One of the deep flaws in the motion is that it is hard to see how the Committee can properly conside...
Andrew Percy | 530 c204 (Link to this contribution)
Moderation in these debates is always to be welcomed. Surely the right hon. Gentleman must see that ...
Simon Burns | 530 c205 (Link to this contribution)
As a former Minister, the right hon. Gentleman knows about taking legislation through Committee. Giv...
John Healey | 530 c205 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister, his colleagues and the Prime Minister have broken their word so often so far on the NH...
Ian Lucas | 530 c204 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not important to take into account the written answer that I received to the named day questio...
John Healey | 530 c204-5 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. We know that the Prime Minister is a PR man. We know that he was forced to ...
Kevin Brennan | 530 c204 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not an abuse to use this procedure, which is very rare? According to the Library, the most rec...
John Healey | 530 c204 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has a point. What is wrong is a partial recommittal of the Bill, because the Bill req...
John Healey | 530 c204 (Link to this contribution)
I can and I have. This is a reckless and needless reorganisation, which has led to confusion and cha...
Lord Watts | 530 c212 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman really believe that his own Whips are going to stand aside regarding this Bi...
Peter Bone | 530 c212 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I did not serve on the Committee, and my bid to get on it still stands. I hope that...
Owen Smith | 530 c212 (Link to this contribution)
As a member of the Committee, I point out to the hon. Gentleman that throughout all 38 sittings I wa...
Helen Jones | 530 c213 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that it is disgraceful that we are not even seeing those amendments until ...
Lord Beamish | 530 c212 (Link to this contribution)
I rise to oppose the programme motion. I remember sitting and listening to some eloquent speeches ag...
Andrew Percy | 530 c213-4 (Link to this contribution)
I did not intend to speak, but I have been provoked into making a few brief comments. Like my hon. F...
Lord Beamish | 530 c213 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point. One innovation is the introduction of pre-legislative scrutiny of...
Andrew Percy | 530 c214 (Link to this contribution)
I take the hon. Gentleman's point. That has already been discussed. The key thing now is to debate t...
Andrew Gwynne | 530 c214 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not understand that recommitting only the parts of the Bill that the Governm...
Speaker | 530 c214 (Link to this contribution)
Grahame Morris with about four seconds.
Andrew Percy | 530 c214 (Link to this contribution)
We have discussed where these procedures come from and who is accountable for them, and that certain...
Kevin Brennan | 530 c214 (Link to this contribution)
I respect the hon. Gentleman's respect for Parliament and therefore put to him what I said earlier: ...
Kevin Brennan | 530 c215 (Link to this contribution)
I just reiterate the point that 1951 is the last time that this exact procedure was used. The Govern...
Grahame Morris | 530 c214-5 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker. I call for the motion to be opposed.
John Pugh | 530 c207-8 (Link to this contribution)
None is not the correct answer. The issue that Labour Members need to understand is that the NHS, as...
Karl Turner | 530 c207 (Link to this contribution)
I am obliged to the hon. Gentleman for giving way. How many times did he support my colleagues and I...
John Pugh | 530 c208 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Lady checks Hansard, she will find that I did not vote for the Bill on Second Reading––o...
Angela C Smith | 530 c208 (Link to this contribution)
Given that the hon. Gentleman voted for the Bill on Second Reading and got that wrong, how can we be...
David Heath | 530 c209 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Chris Bryant | 530 c208-9 (Link to this contribution)
Because there was no opportunity to have a debate last night. It would have been nice to be able to ...
Peter Bone | 530 c208 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Chris Bryant | 530 c208 (Link to this contribution)
The problem with what the Government are presenting this evening is that, having had a pause, they h...
Peter Bone | 530 c208 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the sentiments that the hon. Gentleman is expressing, but could he explain to me why th...
Chris Bryant | 530 c208 (Link to this contribution)
In a moment.
Are the Government frightened that some of their Back Benchers might vote for an amend...
Chris Bryant | 530 c209-10 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is absolutely right, but surely the key point is that we need to do this scrutiny pro...
Lord Beamish | 530 c209 (Link to this contribution)
The Prime Minister is not very good on detail, because the Criminal Justice Bill to which he referre...
Chris Bryant | 530 c209 (Link to this contribution)
If the Deputy Leader of the House had allowed more than an hour for debate today, I would give way t...
Speaker | 530 c209 (Link to this contribution)
Order. There is very little time as it is, and screaming at each other does not help.
Chris Bryant | 530 c209 (Link to this contribution)
I will not give way. If he had allowed more—[Interruption.]
Peter Bone | 530 c211-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady asks another important question on which we as parliamentarians have to decide today. ...
Angela C Smith | 530 c211 (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate what the hon. Gentleman says, but under the programme motion the Bill has to be complet...
Peter Bone | 530 c211 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a really important point, one that I am wrestling with before I decide how ...
Kevin Brennan | 530 c211 (Link to this contribution)
But does the hon. Gentleman think it right on principle that the Government should be able to choose...
Peter Bone | 530 c210 (Link to this contribution)
It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Rhondda (Chris Bryant). He is a parliamentaria...
Ian Lucas | 530 c202 (Link to this contribution)
On a point of order, Mr Deputy Speaker. I tabled a named day question to the Minister, of which he i...
Peter Bone | 530 c212 (Link to this contribution)
If I am put on the Committee, I shall certainly make up my own mind. I know that that concept is for...
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