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European Union Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 15 June 2011, in the House of Lords.
European Union Bill. Lords report stage third day. Bill, as amended, ordered to be printed (HL Bill 74).

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

728 c790-848 

Session

2010-12

Department

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

Legislative stage

Report stage

Procedure

Government defeats
New clauses

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

European Union Bill. As amended on report.
Wednesday, 15 June 2011
Bills
House of Lords
European Union Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 55-EN also published.
Wednesday, 9 March 2011
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Waddington | 728 c792 (Link to this contribution) There is just one little matter that puzzles me and I would be very grateful for my noble and learne...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 728 c792 (Link to this contribution) I have added my name to the amendment. When I was young and at the Bar I remember that there was a H...

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Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 728 c790-1 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this amendment relates to Clause 18, which is in the nature of a declaratory clause settin...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 728 c791-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I shall be brief because the argument I would have made has just been expressed much more ...
Lord Howe of Aberavon | 728 c794-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise with some hesitation for the second time on the Bill, partly because I do not have ...
Lord Richard | 728 c795 (Link to this contribution) I have two things to say very briefly about this. On Second Reading, I think I made it clear that I ...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 728 c793 (Link to this contribution) I do not agree with that. I think that the point is fully covered by the declaratory provision that ...
Lord Pannick | 728 c793-4 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. It removes the obscurity and the uncertainty in Clause 18. ...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 728 c792-3 (Link to this contribution) It seems a long time since we discussed Clause 18 at Second Reading and in Committee. I would recall...
Lord Waddington | 728 c793 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend sits down, does he not agree that however elegant may be the language of Amen...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 728 c790 (Link to this contribution) 33: Clause 18, leave out Clause 18 and insert the following new Clause— ““Status of EU law dependent...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 728 c798 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I think the noble Lord, Lord Spicer, and I have something to say.
Lord Stoddart of Swindon | 728 c797 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I took part in the debate on this clause in Committee. I remain completely opposed to its ...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 728 c797 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, it does not matter a great deal whether the submission made by the noble Lord, Lord Deben,...
Lord Deben | 728 c796-7 (Link to this contribution) I would not like it to be thought by your Lordships that those who were not lawyers disagreed with t...
Lord Flight | 728 c796 (Link to this contribution) I should probably defer to the noble Lord, but I do not think that was a full answer to my mind to t...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 728 c795 (Link to this contribution) I realise the noble Lord is not a lawyer and what I am about to say may seem unfair, but the answer ...
Lord Flight | 728 c795 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I rise with some trepidation, as I am not a lawyer. I have not been entirely satisfied by ...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 728 c803 (Link to this contribution) No, my Lords, but one should consider the context. This new clause was proposed in its original form...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 728 c803 (Link to this contribution) I remind the Minister of the argument made by my noble friend Lord Pannick. If I introduced him to a...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 728 c803-4 (Link to this contribution) That is the sort of question that one wants notice of and where the answer might in any case be misi...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 728 c803 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my noble and learned friend takes this question in the spirit in which I ask it. Is ther...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 728 c799 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, in actual fact what I have said is relevant to this amendment because it says that all Bri...
Lord Triesman | 728 c799 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I apologise to both noble Lords who have just spoken. In my eagerness to get up I may have...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 728 c800-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank my noble and learned friend Lord Mackay of Clashfern for moving the amendment in t...
Lord Triesman | 728 c799-800 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am sure that on the day that proposition is in front of the House, we will have an energ...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 728 c798-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have two questions for the Minister that I asked in Committee but to which I did not get...
Lord Spicer | 728 c798 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I had not meant to say anything at all until I heard some of the arguments. It seems that ...
Lord Taverne | 728 c812-3 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has made a point which on the face of it is plausible. It very much ties up with the ...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 728 c812 (Link to this contribution) Is not one difference between having a referendum on an issue such as the National Health Service or...
Lord Taverne | 728 c811-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I want to look, as the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, has done, at the constitutional implications...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 728 c804-5 (Link to this contribution) The possibility is that the 1972 Act is on the statute book when these later acts were passed. There...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 728 c804 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, there is not much between us. On the other hand, it is important to have clarity. If there...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 728 c809-11 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, this is the Hemingway amendment—because the sun also rises. This amendment is really rathe...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 728 c808 (Link to this contribution) 35: After Clause 21, insert the following new Clause— ““Duration of Part 1 and Schedule 1 (No. 2) (1...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 728 c805 (Link to this contribution) I suggest that the European Community treaty of itself would not be meaningful in our statutes until...
Lord Wallace of Tankerness | 728 c805 (Link to this contribution) Will my noble and learned friend respond to my point about the Company Directors Disqualification Ac...
Lord Brittan of Spennithorne | 728 c819 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I support the amendment. I start by saying that I am an unashamed opponent of referenda an...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 728 c818-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, after three long months we are still divided on the single unresolved question of this Bil...
Lord Richard | 728 c817 (Link to this contribution) Yes, but the Government have assured us time and again during the course of the Bill that there will...
Lord Taverne | 728 c813-4 (Link to this contribution) Presumably, not everything will be put to a referendum. As has been said, a future Parliament can re...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 728 c815 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, one benefit of our largely unwritten constitution is the flexibility that our system gives...
Lord Risby | 728 c814-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the whole House will recognise the magnificent work over many years that, as a great publi...
Lord Jopling | 728 c816-7 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I follow what my noble friend Lord Lang said, but I come to rather a different conclusion....
Lord Lang of Monkton | 728 c815-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, nobody is better suited than the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, to inject into a debate on a Europ...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 728 c817 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the noble Lord speaks with great authority and I listen closely to what he says. However, ...
Lord Richard | 728 c817 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, the whole Bill has had some sense of unreality about it since it started. The more that on...
Lord Hannay of Chiswick | 728 c826 (Link to this contribution) Would the noble Lord agree that the whole tenor of his speech—it is something like the sixth time I ...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 728 c825-6 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am afraid that this amendment, if accepted, will be seen by the British people as an una...
Lord Waddington | 728 c822-3 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as usual, my noble friend Lady Falkner hit the nail absolutely on the head. One effect of ...
Baroness Williams of Crosby | 728 c823-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I would like to follow the noble Lord, Lord Grenfell, because he has been correct in what ...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 728 c820-2 (Link to this contribution) I have not heard that there is not going to be a referendum on legislation for the House of Lords; I...
Lord Lamont of Lerwick | 728 c820 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, when the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, spoke in the very first debate on the first amendment in C...
Lord Davies of Stamford | 728 c820 (Link to this contribution) Is the great distinction about referenda which the noble Lord is making—he has made it twice this af...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 728 c819 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend says that he is fundamentally against referenda. Does that mean he is against the re...
Lord Brittan of Spennithorne | 728 c819 (Link to this contribution) I am fundamentally against referenda. I would not have favoured the holding of that referendum, but ...
Lord Empey | 728 c829-30 (Link to this contribution) I take the point that the noble Lord makes. However, he will also know that if there was any grounds...
Lord Low of Dalston | 728 c830 (Link to this contribution) I have not taken part in these debates, which have been going on for a considerable time, but I have...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 728 c828 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Pearson, is also a bear of remarkably small brain. The noble Lord, Lord Dobbs, ...
Lord Dobbs | 728 c828 (Link to this contribution) I ask the noble Lord to consider carefully at this point. A sunset clause is like a great sulk. It i...
Lord Empey | 728 c828-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I was amazed that the name of the noble Lord, Lord Pearson, is not on the amendment. I was...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 728 c829 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord has the advantage of coming from the northern part of the island of Ireland. As I sai...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 728 c826 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, as I said on Second Reading, I think that this Bill is a ““thus far and no further”” Bill,...
Lord Flight | 728 c826 (Link to this contribution) May I suggest to the noble Lord that perhaps the reason why the noble Lord, Lord Kerr, opposes the B...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 728 c826 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord—my noble friend, if I may refer to him as such—for pointing tha...
Lord Dobbs | 728 c827 (Link to this contribution) I beg the noble Lord’s pardon but some of us still have something to say on this. I hope that he wil...
Lord Kerr of Kinlochard | 728 c844-5 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I thank the Minister warmly for responding with his customary courtesy and patrician patie...
Lord Howell of Guildford | 728 c839-44 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am, as I have said, in danger of repeating myself in these long debates. As I said in Co...
Lord Triesman | 728 c836-9 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, a short while ago the noble Baroness, Lady Nicholson, said that the legislation had alread...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 728 c835-6 (Link to this contribution) What I am saying is that I am sure that that will be the position of the Government, and I did say t...
Baroness Nicholson of Winterbourne | 728 c832-4 (Link to this contribution) I fully agree with the noble Viscount, Lord Trenchard. I have listened carefully to all the points t...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 728 c834 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I will not delay the House for long and I certainly will not repeat many of the arguments ...
Lord Dykes | 728 c830-1 (Link to this contribution) It is unusual, and I find it surprising, but the noble Lord, Lord Empey, appears to have misundersto...
Viscount Trenchard | 728 c831-2 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I tend to agree with the noble Lord, Lord Empey, that this is really a kill-the-Bill amend...
Lord Richard | 728 c835 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I am obliged to the noble Lord. Is he seriously suggesting that we should have a referendu...
Lord Pearson of Rannoch | 728 c834 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Hamilton, who has just answered the noble Lords, Lord ...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 728 c834-5 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that my erstwhile noble friend should take such comfort from that. One of the reasons ...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 728 c825 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, we have had quite a bit of experience recently of sunset clauses, or proposals for sunset ...
Lord Empey | 728 c830 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Lord for his comments. While it was not an issue of huge significance at the last ...
Lord Elton | 728 c804 (Link to this contribution) The lay men are floundering. My noble and learned friend rests a great deal on the importance of the...
Lord Grenfell | 728 c822 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, after so many Second Reading speeches at a Report stage, it may well be sunset before we r...

Subjects

EU law
Legislation
European communities
Referendums
Sovereignty
Treaties
Treaty on European Union
UK membership of EU
Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union
Treaty of Lisbon
Sunset clauses

Legislation

European Communities Act 1972
European Union Bill 2010-12

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