Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Public Bill Committee, on Report, Third reading and any other proceedings. Agreed to on question. Queen's recommendation signified. Money resolution agreed to on question
Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 7 June 2011,
in the House of Commons,
led by Baroness May of Maidenhead.
The answering
member was Yvette Cooper.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
529 c69-130 Session
2010-12Legislative stage
Second readingChamber / Committee
House of Commons chamberRelated items
Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 193-EN also published.
Monday, 23 May 2011
Bills
House of Commons
Monday, 23 May 2011
Bills
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Jeremy Corbyn | 529 c87 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my right hon. Friend for giving way again. Does he not accept that there is a major concern ...
Paul Goggins | 529 c86-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for Cambridge (Dr Huppert) was saying that international terrorists would rush off a...
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Tom Brake | 529 c88-9 (Link to this contribution)
It is pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Wythenshawe and Sale East (Paul Goggins), who dre...
Paul Goggins | 529 c87-8 (Link to this contribution)
It is true that special advocates cannot share the intelligence directly, but they are there to repr...
Julian Huppert | 529 c87 (Link to this contribution)
I should be delighted to do so, and I thank the right hon. Gentleman for giving way. The problem is ...
Paul Goggins | 529 c87 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend again makes his point with great care. Of course, these are exceptional powers that s...
Tom Brake | 529 c89-90 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, which is a very sound one. I hope, and I am sure that th...
Naomi Long | 529 c89 (Link to this contribution)
Control orders having to be debated annually gives Parliament the opportunity to reconsider the situ...
Tom Brake | 529 c89 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. If there has been no evidence of any activity whate...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 529 c89 (Link to this contribution)
There is a case of somebody being subject to a control order that has been in effect for more than t...
Tom Brake | 529 c86 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman has said that international terrorists are not going to use their internet ...
Paul Goggins | 529 c83 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has well-known views on this issue and has expressed them frequently in the Chamber f...
David Winnick | 529 c83 (Link to this contribution)
I have the highest respect for the work that my right hon. Friend undertook during his time at the H...
Paul Goggins | 529 c83-4 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady speaks with great authority on this issue and I agree with every word she says. These ...
Naomi Long | 529 c83 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman's experience in Northern Ireland will also colour his view on these issues....
Paul Goggins | 529 c84-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is always very persuasive—one way or the other.
One area of policy on which I remain...
David Winnick | 529 c84 (Link to this contribution)
Did I persuade you?
Paul Goggins | 529 c86 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman thinks that an international terrorist is sitting there thinking, ““Thank good...
Julian Huppert | 529 c86 (Link to this contribution)
Does the right hon. Gentleman realise that one purpose of the measure is to enable more evidence to ...
Tom Brake | 529 c96 (Link to this contribution)
What does the right hon. Lady think would be a reasonable period, if there had been no activity what...
Hazel Blears | 529 c95-6 (Link to this contribution)
But that is no reason to relax the powers. If there are fears that such activities could be happenin...
Patrick Mercer | 529 c100 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is absolutely right and I accede to that point. I will go with him, sit on ...
Paul Goggins | 529 c99-100 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has returned to the parallel between internment in the 1970s and control orders a...
Patrick Mercer | 529 c97-9 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the right hon. Member for Salford and Eccles (Hazel Blears), who brings t...
Hazel Blears | 529 c96-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman has asked me that question, because this is where we end up i...
Pete Wishart | 529 c96 (Link to this contribution)
If that individual is so dangerous, why do we not just arrest him, charge him and throw the full for...
Hazel Blears | 529 c96 (Link to this contribution)
These are matters for careful and balanced judgment, which is why we have constant judicial oversigh...
Jeremy Corbyn | 529 c90 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman not have some concerns about the successive non-debate of this issue by Parl...
Pete Wishart | 529 c90 (Link to this contribution)
Does not the hon. Gentleman understand and appreciate that those of us who cannot stand these things...
Tom Brake | 529 c90 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman might not be surprised to know that I agree with much of what he says. If my hon....
Hazel Blears | 529 c92-4 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for the opportunity to contribute to the debate this evening and I think that all the ...
Tom Brake | 529 c92 (Link to this contribution)
That is a difficult point to address. I know that there are concerns about how watertight memorandum...
Hazel Blears | 529 c91 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Gentleman aware that there have been a number of legal decisions that now require the pe...
Tom Brake | 529 c90-1 (Link to this contribution)
I hope to explain why I do not think we have caved in cheaply, as the hon. Gentleman stated. First, ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 529 c91-2 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes an important point about people who may have been subject to torture in oth...
Tom Brake | 529 c91 (Link to this contribution)
I am aware that there have been cases where that has been the outcome.
I am sure that the Minister ...
William Cash | 529 c69 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Home Secretary for walking into that one. I am very much in favour of human rig...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 529 c69 (Link to this contribution)
I did indeed expect that, as my hon. Friend was in the Chamber, he might wish to raise certain matte...
William Cash | 529 c69 (Link to this contribution)
I think that my right hon. Friend may have anticipated that I would have something to say. She refer...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 529 c69 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
There is no greater task for any Government...
Jeremy Corbyn | 529 c83 (Link to this contribution)
In my right hon. Friend's years in the Home Office, in which he must have been involved in many disc...
Paul Goggins | 529 c82 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Keighley (Kris Hopkins), who, early in his speech, me...
Yvette Cooper | 529 c76-80 (Link to this contribution)
I suggest that the hon. Gentleman listens more closely to what I am saying. The overall approach of ...
Kris Hopkins | 529 c80-2 (Link to this contribution)
I want to concentrate on the impact of terrorism and anti-terrorism law on the relationship between ...
Yvette Cooper | 529 c76 (Link to this contribution)
As I said earlier, control orders are not ideal, and ideally we would not need them, but we do. We n...
Tom Brake | 529 c76 (Link to this contribution)
I rise in search of some clarity on where the right hon. Lady stands. She seems to be saying on the ...
Yvette Cooper | 529 c74-6 (Link to this contribution)
If the hon. Gentleman persists with such simplistic soundbites, he will misunderstand the nature of ...
Pete Wishart | 529 c76 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Lady is absolutely right: there is almost no difference between TPIMs and the former ...
Yvette Cooper | 529 c74 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary barely had time to draw breath between statement and debate, but that transition ...
Julian Huppert | 529 c74 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Lady confirm that Labour party policy favours a more authoritarian version of th...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 529 c73-4 (Link to this contribution)
One of the issues that we are examining is the more general issue of special advocates and the infor...
Naomi Long | 529 c73 (Link to this contribution)
The power to use control orders has always extended to Northern Ireland, but has never been used. Wh...
Yvette Cooper | 529 c71 (Link to this contribution)
But will the Home Secretary confirm that she has the power to specify how many hours a curfew should...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 529 c71 (Link to this contribution)
I will not comment on a particular case, which the right hon. Lady appears to be trying to get me to...
Pete Wishart | 529 c71 (Link to this contribution)
Will not the Home Secretary simply accept that these TPIMs are nothing other than a repackaging and ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 529 c71-2 (Link to this contribution)
We are introducing a new regime. We did what we undertook to do as a coalition Government when we ca...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 529 c70 (Link to this contribution)
I hope my hon. Friend is grateful for the opportunity I gave him to clarify that particular point. I...
Yvette Cooper | 529 c70-1 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary has said that the overnight residence requirements are different from curfews and...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 529 c71 (Link to this contribution)
We are currently operating—and have been since the Government came to power—the control order regime...
Steve Baker | 529 c119-20 (Link to this contribution)
As I follow my hon. and learned Friend the Member for Sleaford and North Hykeham (Stephen Phillips),...
Richard Fuller | 529 c120-3 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Wycombe (Steve Baker), who said that ...
Bob Stewart | 529 c123-4 (Link to this contribution)
May I first apologise to the House? I was present for the opening speeches, but I have been chairing...
Gerry Sutcliffe | 529 c124-7 (Link to this contribution)
This has been an important debate and I thank hon. Members on both sides of the House for the sincer...
Jeremy Corbyn | 529 c109-10 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed so; the hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. That matter should be looked at in great detail i...
Dominic Raab | 529 c110-2 (Link to this contribution)
Like others, I would like to commend some previous speakers, particularly the hon. Member for Isling...
Tobias Ellwood | 529 c112-4 (Link to this contribution)
The war on terrorism has defined the current generation, as the second world war did the generations...
Stephen Phillips | 529 c114-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is an enormous pleasure, as always, to follow my hon. and gallant Friend the Member for Bournemou...
Henry Smith | 529 c117 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. and learned Friend is making a powerful argument about the balancing of rights. Does he feel...
Stephen Phillips | 529 c117-8 (Link to this contribution)
I can see that there is a powerful case for amending the Bill in Committee to introduce some annual ...
Steve Baker | 529 c108 (Link to this contribution)
I find myself agreeing with the vast majority of the hon. Gentleman's remarks. Looking around the Ch...
Jeremy Corbyn | 529 c108-9 (Link to this contribution)
I have always had an interesting relationship with the whipping system in Parliament. We are here as...
Julian Huppert | 529 c103-7 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pleasure to follow a number of today's speeches, particularly the last two. I agree ve...
Richard Fuller | 529 c109 (Link to this contribution)
I could not agree more with the hon. Gentleman's point about our deportation of people to countries ...
Pete Wishart | 529 c100-2 (Link to this contribution)
I know that in this House we often say that it is a pleasure to follow the hon. Gentleman, but in th...
Naomi Long | 529 c103 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that the debate has been framed in the context of whether we put secur...
Pete Wishart | 529 c103 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady is spot on. I know that every Government do their best to balance the security require...
Steve Baker | 529 c102 (Link to this contribution)
I am very much inclined to agree with all the hon. Gentleman's remarks, but what would he say about ...
Pete Wishart | 529 c102-3 (Link to this contribution)
That is exactly what is said, and we have heard from a number of contributors this evening that thes...
Jeremy Corbyn | 529 c129 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister give way?
James Brokenshire | 529 c129-30 (Link to this contribution)
I apologise, but I will not as I have a lot to get through in the five minutes remaining to me.
We ...
James Brokenshire | 529 c127-8 (Link to this contribution)
We have had a constructive, serious and sober debate on this significant issue, and I am grateful to...
Julian Huppert | 529 c95 (Link to this contribution)
Has the right hon. Lady spoken to the right hon. Member for Wythenshawe and Sale East (Paul Goggins)...
Paul Goggins | 529 c83 (Link to this contribution)
Considerable consideration was always given to those issues. As the Home Secretary said earlier, pro...
Hazel Blears | 529 c94-5 (Link to this contribution)
Steady on, absolutely.
I also know how important it is to have a practical and workable system in p...
Jeremy Corbyn | 529 c107-8 (Link to this contribution)
I should first apologise to the House for missing the Home Secretary's introductory speech, but I ha...
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