Protection of Freedoms Bill. Second reading debate. Agreed to on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Public Bill Committee, on Report, Third Reading and any other proceedings, agreed to on question. Queen's recommendation signified. Money resolution agreed to on question.
Protection of Freedoms Bill
Debate on bills on Tuesday, 1 March 2011,
in the House of Commons,
led by Baroness May of Maidenhead.
The answering
member was Yvette Cooper.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
524 c205-71Session
2010-12Legislative stage
Second readingChamber / Committee
House of Commons chamberRelated items
Protection of Freedoms Bill. Explanatory Notes Bill 146-EN also published.
Friday, 11 February 2011
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Friday, 11 February 2011
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Proceeding contributions
William Cash | 524 c205 (Link to this contribution)
I note that my right hon. Friend did not actually say that she would be happy to do so.
Does my rig...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c205-6 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right, I am afraid; but I almost said I was happy to give way to him. I am not goi...
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David TC Davies | 524 c206 (Link to this contribution)
Although I recognise the Home Secretary's concerns about privacy, does she accept that these moves w...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c205 (Link to this contribution)
I will happily—I will give way to my hon. Friend.
William Cash | 524 c205 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend be kind enough to give way?
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c205 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time.
Today we have a rare opportunity. The Bill ...
William Cash | 524 c208-9 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend note that the Library research paper on the Bill indicates that a third of...
John Redwood | 524 c208 (Link to this contribution)
This is all wonderful news and I am a strong supporter of the Bill. Given that there are 1,200 such ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c208 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for his intervention and I absolutely agree with him. We will ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c207-8 (Link to this contribution)
I thank my hon. Friend for his intervention. I will be referring specifically to the abuse of powers...
Tobias Ellwood | 524 c207 (Link to this contribution)
On this sensitive issue of surveillance, does my right hon. Friend agree that it is being abused by ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c206-7 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, the police will be able to apply for the DNA of some people who are arrested but not charged...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c206 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Home Secretary confirm that under her proposals the DNA of innocent people will be kept on ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c206 (Link to this contribution)
No I do not agree, and my hon. Friend will see that that will not be the case if he looks at the man...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c209 (Link to this contribution)
I have been in touch with colleagues across Departments about powers of entry because they are found...
Gavin Shuker | 524 c209 (Link to this contribution)
There will be support from across the House for measures to restrict the efforts of cowboy clampers,...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c209 (Link to this contribution)
Other powers will be available to control parking, such as barriers and ticketing. I suggest that th...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 524 c210 (Link to this contribution)
I just want to say that this part of the Bill is fantastic and that the Home Secretary has my full s...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c210 (Link to this contribution)
I am very grateful to the hon. Gentleman for those remarks. It is good to have cross-party support o...
Lord Barwell | 524 c210 (Link to this contribution)
Further to my right hon. Friend's answer to the hon. Member for Luton South (Gavin Shuker), will she...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c210 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for raising that point. Local authorities already have the ability t...
Steve Baker | 524 c209 (Link to this contribution)
Will my right hon. Friend reassure the House that at the end of this process the number of powers wi...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c209 (Link to this contribution)
When I gave way to my hon. Friend, I almost said I had a deep suspicion that I knew what he was goin...
Robert Flello | 524 c209 (Link to this contribution)
Has the Home Secretary had discussions with Ministers and the Justice Secretary about the overlap wi...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c209 (Link to this contribution)
That would certainly be our aim and we will try to ensure that home owners are well aware of exactly...
Jack Straw | 524 c211 (Link to this contribution)
My question follows that of my right hon. Friend the Member for Delyn (Mr Hanson). I had to propose ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c211 (Link to this contribution)
I will not expect to recall Parliament every time a recess is called. We are talking about exception...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 524 c211 (Link to this contribution)
This has been asked before, but what will happen during parliamentary recesses? What if the right ho...
William Cash | 524 c226 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend aware that the said Evan Harris, on one occasion in the House, referred to those o...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 524 c226 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend remember the Hayes dictum, named after my hon. Friend the Member for South Holla...
Edward Leigh | 524 c226 (Link to this contribution)
That is enough about our friend, I think.
Section 5 of the 1986 Act outlaws"““threatening, abusive ...
Tom Brake | 524 c226 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder whether the hon. Gentleman will take any reassurance from the fact as recently as Monday, E...
Edward Leigh | 524 c226-9 (Link to this contribution)
Good, I am very glad. That just shows that there is support for that from all over the House, and in...
Jack Straw | 524 c229 (Link to this contribution)
I am delighted to follow the hon. Member for Gainsborough (Mr Leigh). This is the first time that I ...
Edward Leigh | 524 c229 (Link to this contribution)
indicated assent.
Jack Straw | 524 c229-30 (Link to this contribution)
I am glad that the hon. Gentleman endorses that view.
I am sorry that the Home Secretary has left t...
Jack Straw | 524 c230-1 (Link to this contribution)
I will pass lightly over the Hunting Act, if I may. I do not happen to agree with Tony Blair on that...
David TC Davies | 524 c230 (Link to this contribution)
I wonder what the right hon. Gentleman made of the claim in Tony Blair's book that one of the two wo...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 524 c224 (Link to this contribution)
I was not aware of the cases that my right hon. Friend raised. Before we decide where we stand on th...
Robert Flello | 524 c222 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is talking about the incredibly important issue of safeguarding our children. G...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c222-3 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. Some cases of very distressing abuse have taken place involving vulnerable ...
Lord Dodds of Duncairn | 524 c222 (Link to this contribution)
Although there are many excellent things in the Bill that I welcome, the right hon. Lady is absolute...
Lord Hanson of Flint | 524 c223 (Link to this contribution)
Is my right hon. Friend aware that when my hon. Friend the Member for Tynemouth (Mr Campbell) and I ...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c224 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is right about the importance of protecting victims, as well as protecting othe...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c223 (Link to this contribution)
The Crime and Security Act 2010, which was passed before the election, addressed many of those issue...
Edward Leigh | 524 c224-6 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the Bill. How could one not support clamping down on the wheel clampers? Some of my consti...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c224 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend raises an important point. If these restrictions go through and make it harder for th...
Clive Efford | 524 c241 (Link to this contribution)
Will the hon. Gentleman explain why the coalition has taken away the requirement on police officers ...
Tom Brake | 524 c241-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure the hon. Gentleman will be aware that many police forces intend to continue to seize that ...
Jim Shannon | 524 c238-9 (Link to this contribution)
It was Winston Churchill who said:"““All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in singl...
Naomi Long | 524 c239-40 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman will be aware that the matter is devolved to the Northern Ireland Assembly. Altho...
Jim Shannon | 524 c240-1 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I have cornered the market in those who have problems with clampers, but I have heard plenty...
Tom Brake | 524 c241 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Strangford (Jim Shannon), who made a sensible and mea...
Jim Shannon | 524 c243 (Link to this contribution)
In my experience, when CCTV has been introduced in what might be described as hot spots where there ...
Tom Brake | 524 c242-3 (Link to this contribution)
Of course we must. Whenever a massive database is introduced, there is significant potential for err...
Pamela Nash | 524 c245 (Link to this contribution)
I want to highlight my concerns about the Government's proposals, which seek to restrict the scope f...
Tom Brake | 524 c243-4 (Link to this contribution)
I certainly think that CCTV deals partly with the fear of crime. However, I know from the results of...
Rehman Chishti | 524 c242 (Link to this contribution)
As one who practised at the Bar before becoming a Member of Parliament, I know that the whole ethos ...
Gareth Johnson | 524 c236 (Link to this contribution)
I am please to be able to contribute to the debate, and to be able to follow the right hon. Member f...
Steve Baker | 524 c233 (Link to this contribution)
Just on a point of information—as the right hon. Gentleman invites it—during the election campaign I...
Jack Straw | 524 c233-6 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that intervention, which makes my point, because that one representation is balanc...
William Cash | 524 c232 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Gentleman, to whom I am listening carefully, seek, as a former Home Secretary, t...
Jack Straw | 524 c232-3 (Link to this contribution)
I do not want to get drawn too far down this road, but the hon. Gentleman will know that until the P...
Tom Brake | 524 c231 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that any Government Member is saying that the previous Government achieved nothing in...
Jack Straw | 524 c231-2 (Link to this contribution)
I will deal with each of those measures in turn, and then come to the contents of the Bill. I will r...
Gareth Johnson | 524 c237-8 (Link to this contribution)
Of course the difficulty at the moment is that unconvicted people remain on the list, but the Bill's...
Tom Brake | 524 c237 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that just as a choice was made to allow fingerprints to be given, so i...
Gareth Johnson | 524 c236-7 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Lady makes a good point. The intention of the Bill is not to put off volunteers. I have wor...
Naomi Long | 524 c236 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the hon. Gentleman's point about balance. I am a voluntary youth worker with Girlguidin...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c214 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman's previous intervention was extremely helpful in supporting parts of the Bill. Me...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c214-5 (Link to this contribution)
I suggest to the Home Secretary that some of the rhetoric in her speech was perhaps unwise. She is p...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c215 (Link to this contribution)
As I have said before, I do not think that it was right to go for 90-day detention and it was not ju...
Tom Brake | 524 c215 (Link to this contribution)
Will the right hon. Lady tell Members what evidence there was for 90-day pre-charge detention?
Michael Ellis | 524 c215 (Link to this contribution)
Does the shadow Home Secretary think it right that the details of 1 million innocent people should b...
Speaker | 524 c215 (Link to this contribution)
Order. May I say from an advisory point of view that Members normally make one intervention at a tim...
Michael Ellis | 524 c215 (Link to this contribution)
Is that not a damning indictment of Labour's record on civil liberties?
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c211-3 (Link to this contribution)
I understand the point that the right hon. Gentleman is making about his experience in relation to t...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c213 (Link to this contribution)
I was waiting for the dénouement of the right hon. Gentleman's question. There is a requirement on p...
Lord Blunkett | 524 c213 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary will be surprised to hear that I agree with quite a lot of the Bill, but on data ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c213-4 (Link to this contribution)
I always wait with interest and occasionally trepidation for the points that my hon. Friend makes. [...
David TC Davies | 524 c213 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Home Secretary. I was waiting for her to be specific about surveillance cameras...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c213 (Link to this contribution)
I will give way for the last time.
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c214 (Link to this contribution)
I am being incredibly generous. I had said that I was giving way for the last time, but I will give ...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c220 (Link to this contribution)
Let me ask the question. Will somebody in these circumstances be able to find out whether the indepe...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c220 (Link to this contribution)
I am very happy to intervene again on the right hon. Lady, but may I just correct her on one thing? ...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c219-20 (Link to this contribution)
Legislation is not the right way to respond in such extreme circumstances. In the end, it might be t...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c219 (Link to this contribution)
Given what the right hon. Lady says about our proposals for emergency legislation on 28 days, will s...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c220 (Link to this contribution)
If the Home Secretary is changing her policy, perhaps she will take the opportunity to intervene aga...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 524 c220 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I can help the right hon. Lady and the House. This afternoon, the Minister for Equalities, m...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 524 c221 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend is right that this is a complex and puzzling piece of the Bill, and the devil w...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c221 (Link to this contribution)
This is really weird. It means that somebody who has been working with children—a teacher, for examp...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c221 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary needs to think again about this matter and take responsibility for the changes th...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c219 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a really important point that goes to the heart of the problem. The reason for ...
David Winnick | 524 c218-9 (Link to this contribution)
I have listened to my right hon. Friend's reservations, which I share: I am very much in favour of a...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c218 (Link to this contribution)
That might be possible in some cases, and officers might be able to use it, but there is an issue, b...
Tobias Ellwood | 524 c218 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Lady has rattled on a bit, but I wonder whether I can take her back to 90 days, becau...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c216-8 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. Friend makes an interesting point. In many cases, the DNA database is also a way of pr...
Lord Blunkett | 524 c216 (Link to this contribution)
I want to reassure my right hon. Friend that my DNA is on the database, and I have never been arrest...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c216 (Link to this contribution)
I will discuss the DNA database later. It is important to have safeguards, but it is equally importa...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c219 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has considerable legal expertise, and I shall not attempt to get into a detailed ...
William Cash | 524 c219 (Link to this contribution)
Has it occurred to the right hon. Lady or, indeed, to those on the Government Front Bench that we ha...
David TC Davies | 524 c258-9 (Link to this contribution)
One's DNA might be kept for a long time, but that would be irrelevant if one did not go out and comm...
Anna Soubry | 524 c258 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend agree that the Bill is about striking a balance between maintaining law and orde...
Anna Soubry | 524 c262 (Link to this contribution)
Does the hon. Gentleman agree that such matters are not the domain of local authorities? The last Go...
Bob Russell | 524 c261-2 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that my hon. Friend is correct in his understanding, but that has to be spelt out in the Bill...
Jacob Rees-Mogg | 524 c260-1 (Link to this contribution)
Looking at the Bill, it is clear that people will be able to close their gates and stop somebody rem...
Bob Russell | 524 c260 (Link to this contribution)
I shall support the Second Reading of the Protection of Freedoms Bill, although I hope that some of ...
Speaker | 524 c263 (Link to this contribution)
Order. The hon. Gentleman may provide us with a quotation, but I do not think we need him to read ou...
Bob Russell | 524 c262-3 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that I can agree with the hon. Lady on that. We are talking about authority in its br...
Bob Russell | 524 c263 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful, Madam Deputy Speaker. I accept what you have said and I shall now sit down as I had f...
William Cash | 524 c263-4 (Link to this contribution)
I fear that the expression ““Protection of Freedoms Bill”” is not really what is on the tin, as we s...
William Cash | 524 c264-6 (Link to this contribution)
As I said, I am extremely glad that many of the provisions are being dealt with, as they needed to b...
Louise Mensch | 524 c264 (Link to this contribution)
Is my hon. Friend not in danger slightly of over-egging the pudding? I share many of his concerns ab...
James Brokenshire | 524 c268-70 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a good debate. The passion shown and the wide-ranging nature of the debate has underli...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c270 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister confirm that if somebody applying for a post as a voluntary teaching assistant has...
James Brokenshire | 524 c270 (Link to this contribution)
As my right hon. Friend the Home Secretary made clear, the underlying information will be known. Tha...
Neil Carmichael | 524 c256 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my hon. Friend for raising this issue, and I think there is another element to it. ...
Priti Patel | 524 c256 (Link to this contribution)
I agree absolutely on that point. There is no doubt that this issue needs some rebalancing and some ...
David TC Davies | 524 c256-7 (Link to this contribution)
We have heard from many people on the Government and Opposition Benches for whom I have the utmost r...
Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford | 524 c247-9 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend the Member for Gainsborough (Mr Leigh) is no longer in his place, but I hope he will ...
Tom Brake | 524 c249 (Link to this contribution)
Often, one purpose of CCTV is to provide evidence and if a CCTV image is not of the appropriate qual...
David TC Davies | 524 c245 (Link to this contribution)
Is the hon. Lady critical of both the Government here in Westminster and the Scottish Parliament for...
Pamela Nash | 524 c246-7 (Link to this contribution)
That is correct. As I have said, I would hope the Scottish Parliament would move more towards the cu...
Baroness Blackwood of North Oxford | 524 c249-50 (Link to this contribution)
I cannot imagine why the Government's understanding where surveillance systems are held and who hold...
John Glen | 524 c251-3 (Link to this contribution)
One of the beliefs that unites Conservatives and Liberal Democrats is that the past 13 years of Labo...
Naomi Long | 524 c250-1 (Link to this contribution)
Let me start by welcoming the broad thrust of the Bill, which contains much to commend it. I believe...
Bob Russell | 524 c254 (Link to this contribution)
Part of the hon. Lady's constituency includes the borough of Colchester. Does she accept from me tha...
John Glen | 524 c253 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for my hon. Friend's intervention. He makes a powerful point and underscores the fact ...
David Burrowes | 524 c253 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is making an important and strong case. Is he aware that, before he became a Member, ...
Edward Leigh | 524 c226 (Link to this contribution)
I am reminded of that Somerset Maugham story in which two old men hate each other and argue all the ...
Yvette Cooper | 524 c222 (Link to this contribution)
The right hon. Gentleman is right. This is a difficult area. People will raise concerns if they feel...
William Cash | 524 c223 (Link to this contribution)
I am sure that the right hon. Lady will appreciate, given the importance of this debate, that many o...
Tom Brake | 524 c257 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman has referred to me both since I came back into the Chamber and, I understand, whi...
Clive Efford | 524 c266-8 (Link to this contribution)
We have had a very lively debate, and I hope Members will forgive me if I cannot respond to every po...
Priti Patel | 524 c254 (Link to this contribution)
It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Salisbury (John Glen). I shall focus on cer...
David TC Davies | 524 c257-8 (Link to this contribution)
I would be delighted. I believe the hon. Gentleman said that every time that baroness's son-in-law s...
Priti Patel | 524 c255-6 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the hon. Gentleman for his comments. I absolutely agree. This shows not only the extent to w...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 524 c214 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Secretary is indeed being incredibly generous. What will be her approach in Committee to th...
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