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Identity Documents Bill

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 9 June 2010, in the House of Commons, led by Baroness May of Maidenhead.
Identity Documents Bill. Second reading agreed on question. Programme motion on proceedings in Committee, on consideration, third reading and any other proceedings, agreed on question.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

511 c345-434 

Session

2010-12

Department

Home Office

Legislative stage

Second reading

Procedure

Programme motions

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Identity Cards Act 2006
Thursday, 30 March 2006
Public acts

Proceeding contributions

Jack Dromey | 511 c371-4 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate you, Mr Deputy Speaker, on your election and thank you for the opportunity to make my...
Mike Freer | 511 c378-80 (Link to this contribution) May I add my congratulations on your recent election, Mr Deputy Speaker, and thank you for giving me...

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Caroline Dinenage | 511 c363-5 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to address the House for the first time,...
Richard Graham | 511 c374-6 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate you on your election, Mr Deputy Speaker, and thank you for giving me this opportunity...
Susan Elan Jones | 511 c376-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you for calling me to make my maiden speech today, Mr Deputy Speaker. I should like...
Ian Mearns | 511 c387-90 (Link to this contribution) May I congratulate you, Mr Deputy Speaker, on being elevated to your position? I thank you for givin...
Gloria De Piero | 511 c398-400 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to have been given an opportunity to make my maiden speech in this debate. Whatev...
Kris Hopkins | 511 c384-6 (Link to this contribution) May I congratulate you, Mr Deputy Speaker, on your new position? I also congratulate the other maide...
Alec Shelbrooke | 511 c390-2 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for calling me to make my maiden speech, Mr Deputy Speaker, especially on the day when you...
Nigel Adams | 511 c395-8 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, on your magnificent election victory and elevation to the Ch...
Speaker | 511 c363 (Link to this contribution) Order. A limit of 12 minutes on speeches has been applied by Mr Speaker.
Lord Blunkett | 511 c432 (Link to this contribution) I would accept the Minister's point if he were announcing this evening that there will be a substant...
Damian Green | 511 c430-2 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that the hon. Lady did not leave me enough time to give way to her, as she overran her t...
Damian Green | 511 c432-4 (Link to this contribution) No, because I am talking about the ID card scheme, which is a separate scheme. The former Home Secre...
Meg Hillier | 511 c427-9 (Link to this contribution) I thank my right hon. Friend who, from his own, special perspective, proves my point exactly. There...
Damian Green | 511 c429-30 (Link to this contribution) It is a delight, Madam Deputy Speaker, to see you in the Chair, which I am sure you will adorn for y...
Lord Blunkett | 511 c427 (Link to this contribution) As I said earlier, my hon. Friend deserves great credit for her work on this matter. Congratulations...
Meg Hillier | 511 c426-7 (Link to this contribution) That rather proves my point. The law as it stood and still stands is that no one is required to carr...
Guy Opperman | 511 c426 (Link to this contribution) When the ID card was first launched last year, does the hon. Lady recall that at the launch in the n...
Meg Hillier | 511 c423-6 (Link to this contribution) It is a privilege to serve under your chairmanship, Madam Deputy Speaker. Many congratulations on yo...
Matt Hancock | 511 c422-3 (Link to this contribution) As this is the second time I have had the honour to speak in the Chamber this week, I am very gratef...
Brandon Lewis | 511 c421 (Link to this contribution) I appreciate the hon. Gentleman's question, because it gives me the opportunity to deal with that ma...
Lord Austin of Dudley | 511 c421 (Link to this contribution) Given that the hon. Gentleman said that he has a passport—I presume that he also has a driving licen...
Brandon Lewis | 511 c418-21 (Link to this contribution) I echo the comments made by my hon. Friend the Member for Northampton North (Michael Ellis) in congr...
Michael Ellis | 511 c418 (Link to this contribution) Yes, and I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that intervention. We heard from another of my hon. Fri...
Nick de Bois | 511 c417-8 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree that, in essence, he is explaining that the last Government were working o...
David Winnick | 511 c394 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman will forgive me, I want to move on to function creep, which is another factor....
Julian Huppert | 511 c394 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to intrude on an Attlee versus Churchill argument, but the hon. Gentleman should perhaps ...
David Winnick | 511 c394-5 (Link to this contribution) The chances of having a Liberal Government in 1950 were as remote as having a Communist Government, ...
David Winnick | 511 c392-3 (Link to this contribution) To avoid any misunderstanding, I make it clear that I am not making my maiden speech—I did that quit...
Richard Shepherd | 511 c393-4 (Link to this contribution) No, the person was found guilty; the law was the law. In the judgment, however, the reason why the l...
David Winnick | 511 c394 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman, who is my constituency neighbour, and I never agree on economic issues, but we t...
Pete Wishart | 511 c380-1 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate you on your appointment, Mr Deputy Speaker. I can already sense you melting into that...
Richard Shepherd | 511 c383 (Link to this contribution) Might the hon. Gentleman be being a little harsh on the Labour party? That might seem an odd thing t...
Pete Wishart | 511 c383-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is spot on. He has made a better assessment of the functions and uses of ID cards...
Pete Wishart | 511 c382-3 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. That contradiction was even acknowledged by Labour Front Benchers as be...
Pete Wishart | 511 c381-2 (Link to this contribution) I shall leave it to the Labour party to decide how it wants to describe itself, but what on earth we...
Sammy Wilson | 511 c382 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to interrupt the hon. Gentleman's speech, which we are all enjoying, but does he accep...
Pete Wishart | 511 c381 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for that. I observed with great interest the Conservatives' new ...
Julian Huppert | 511 c381 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman agree that what he has just said explains why it is misleading for the Labou...
Pete Wishart | 511 c406 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman have any idea as to the position of the Labour party now on ID cards? ...
Robert Buckland | 511 c406-8 (Link to this contribution) Mr. Deputy Speaker, I join in the warm welcome you have received this afternoon. It is hard to belie...
Siobhain McDonagh | 511 c408-9 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker, and congratulations on being elevated to your post. I also congratulat...
David TC Davies | 511 c410-1 (Link to this contribution) May I, too, Mr Deputy Speaker, offer my warmest words of congratulation to you, Sir, on your elevati...
Dominic Raab | 511 c411-2 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker, and may I take this opportunity to welcome you to your elevated sta...
Charlie Elphicke | 511 c412-3 (Link to this contribution) May I, too, congratulate you, Madam Deputy Speaker, on your recent elevation and successful election...
Richard Shepherd | 511 c414-6 (Link to this contribution) I add my heartfelt congratulations to those expressed by others on your elevation to the Chair, Mada...
Michael Ellis | 511 c416-7 (Link to this contribution) I add my congratulations to you, Madam Deputy Speaker, on the distinction and honour that the House ...
Julian Huppert | 511 c400-1 (Link to this contribution) Thank you for calling me to speak, Mr Deputy Speaker, and congratulations on your election. It is ni...
Tom Brake | 511 c401 (Link to this contribution) On mission creep, is my hon. Friend aware that when this matter and a statutory instrument were bein...
Steve McCabe | 511 c404 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend think it would be useful to seek clarity for people whose applications may...
Keith Vaz | 511 c404-5 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely. We need to know the numbers in the system, but as the Home Secretary made it clear that ...
Julian Huppert | 511 c401-3 (Link to this contribution) Indeed it is, and I thank my hon. Friend for that intervention. I was not aware of the history of th...
Keith Vaz | 511 c403-4 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate you, Mr Deputy Speaker, on your election and on the fact that you are sitting in the ...
David TC Davies | 511 c406 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman, who has been an excellent Chairman of the Select Committe...
Keith Vaz | 511 c406 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right; we have to be very careful with data protection and the way in which we...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c345 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for reminding us of what was done in 1996 by a former Conservati...
David Winnick | 511 c345 (Link to this contribution) I opposed identity cards from the very beginning and I have not changed my views, but will the Home ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c346 (Link to this contribution) No. I shall come to that point later. There are biometric residency permits for foreign nationals an...
Russell Brown | 511 c346 (Link to this contribution) The Home Secretary is talking about the abolition of the scheme. Is she telling the House, and the w...
Baroness Hoey | 511 c346 (Link to this contribution) As one of the Labour Members who opposed identity cards from the beginning, I am delighted that the ...
Alan Johnson | 511 c346 (Link to this contribution) Does the Home Secretary recall that the Labour party's manifesto in 2005 had a commitment to introdu...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c345 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read a Second time. I am very pleased to introduce the first pi...
Lord Blunkett | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way? I am very grateful to the right hon. Lady for doing so. [Laughter....
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) No, I said that I was going to make some progress. I have been quite generous already in taking inte...
Paul Goggins | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) I am coming on to some of the cost issues but, over the next four years, we will be saving £86 milli...
Lord Blunkett | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady paused and I believed she had given way. My apologies for that. I have an ID ca...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the right hon. Gentleman.
Julian Huppert | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the Home Secretary. Has there been any estimate of the cost of continuing the system fo...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) I fail to see how it is arrogant for a political party to make clear to the electors that if it gets...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c346 (Link to this contribution) I must make a confession; I did not study the 2005 Labour party manifesto in any great detail becaus...
Lord Blunkett | 511 c348 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry for intervening again, but as the House will appreciate, the subject is rather close to m...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c348 (Link to this contribution) I followed the right hon. Gentleman's argument quite carefully and perhaps I can reprise what I actu...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c348 (Link to this contribution) For the record, the right hon. Gentleman nodded at that point. The post of Identity Commissioner wi...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c347 (Link to this contribution) I have not said that that is the case from today. I have a rather greater belief in the value of Par...
Roberta Blackman-Woods | 511 c348 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful. The Home Secretary has just announced that 67 people in my constituency were mad...
Chris Bryant | 511 c348 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c348 (Link to this contribution) I am going to make a little progress if the hon. Gentleman will wait.
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c348 (Link to this contribution) In deference to the hon. Lady's constituency interest, I will give way to her.
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c349 (Link to this contribution) If the hon. Gentleman has a little more patience, I will make more progress.
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c349 (Link to this contribution) No, I am going to make some progress. The Bill also places a duty on me to destroy all information ...
Chris Bryant | 511 c349 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c350 (Link to this contribution) I have relented and I will give way to the hon. Gentleman.
Chris Bryant | 511 c350 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Lady. In response to my hon. Friend the Member for City of Durham (R...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c349-50 (Link to this contribution) That will be for me to judge in due course. We will continue to work to ensure the free movement of...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c350 (Link to this contribution) I shall disappoint the hon. Gentleman by saying that I will not give him a precise answer in respons...
Steve McCabe | 511 c350 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c350 (Link to this contribution) No. I shall go a little further in my speech. I return to the subject of savings. The Bill is not ju...
Graham Stringer | 511 c351 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Lady is right that ID cards did not stop the bombing in Madrid, but does she accept t...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c351-2 (Link to this contribution) The point that I am making is a simple one. The last Labour Government claimed that this would be—[I...
Alan Johnson | 511 c352-3 (Link to this contribution) I feel honoured, Mr. Deputy Speaker, to be the subject of your first pronouncements from the Chair. ...
Alan Johnson | 511 c353 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend should write and tell them that the Government believe—this Government, who believe i...
Pete Wishart | 511 c353 (Link to this contribution) I am trying desperately to understand the right hon. Gentleman's position. He still seems to be for ...
Alan Johnson | 511 c353-4 (Link to this contribution) That is to be determined by the party. However, we cannot suggest that we did not lose the election;...
Michael Ellis | 511 c354 (Link to this contribution) I thank the right hon. Gentleman for giving way and welcome you, Mr Deputy Speaker, to your position...
Alan Johnson | 511 c354-5 (Link to this contribution) The TUC is a lot of things, but it is not a paymaster. I was not aware that Brendan Barber had said ...
Alan Johnson | 511 c356 (Link to this contribution) I will make some progress and then give way. Of course, for the Government, as the Home Secretary s...
David TC Davies | 511 c356 (Link to this contribution) Was it the shadow Home Secretary's intention that it would be compulsory for everyone to have ID car...
Speaker | 511 c355 (Link to this contribution) Order. Before the right hon. Member replies, may I remind people that interventions should be very s...
Alan Johnson | 511 c355-6 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to my right hon. Friend in this broad coalition, but I do not have time to quote the who...
Alan Johnson | 511 c356 (Link to this contribution) That is a very good point. No, it was not my intention to make the cards compulsory. Indeed, we made...
Lord Watson of Wyre Forest | 511 c357 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is making a customarily amusing yet powerful contribution to the debate. He is ...
Alan Johnson | 511 c361 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend might get an answer to that from the Home Secretary. Perhaps those staff should not h...
Roberta Blackman-Woods | 511 c361 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the Home Secretary must also cost in the additional cost in une...
Mike Gapes | 511 c361 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend share my concern that our black and Asian British constituents will come u...
Charlie Elphicke | 511 c360 (Link to this contribution) I, too, congratulate you on your illustrious elevation, Mr Deputy Speaker. In Dover, people are con...
Alan Johnson | 511 c360 (Link to this contribution) That intervention was not worth waiting for. We put considerable effort into securing our borders. A...
Steve McCabe | 511 c360 (Link to this contribution) Does my right hon. Friend agree that the Home Secretary needs to publish the detail of those alleged...
Alan Johnson | 511 c360 (Link to this contribution) Indeed—and for the grand sum of £1 million, which she will save by not giving pensioners and student...
Paul Goggins | 511 c360-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my right hon. Friend for giving way; I was unfortunately unable to persuade the Hom...
Alan Johnson | 511 c361 (Link to this contribution) That is a sensible suggestion, except that some people who have ID cards do not have passports. They...
Alan Johnson | 511 c359-60 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend pre-empts a crucial point that I shall come on to in a moment. There was no mention ...
Robert Flello | 511 c359 (Link to this contribution) There were appalling events fairly recently involving British passports being used in state-sponsore...
Alan Johnson | 511 c358-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman raises an important point, which has rather bedevilled this debate, as the right ...
Conor Burns | 511 c358 (Link to this contribution) Does the right hon. Gentleman accept that the scheme would be successful on none of those points unl...
Alan Johnson | 511 c357 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very powerful point; he has a good track record in this area. He is highlight...
Robert Buckland | 511 c357 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman talked about other countries in Europe and gave us a long list without devi...
Alan Johnson | 511 c357-8 (Link to this contribution) Yes––France. There was nothing Big Brotherish about the system that we were implementing. We alread...
Alan Johnson | 511 c357 (Link to this contribution) No, I need to make some progress. If we want to travel abroad, take an internal flight, open a bank...
John Hemming | 511 c368-70 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, on your well-deserved appointment, and I congratulate the ho...
John Hemming | 511 c370-1 (Link to this contribution) If I follow the hon. Gentleman's advice and shave it off, and then do not provide a photograph for t...
Caroline Flint | 511 c370 (Link to this contribution) I am the proud owner of an ID card, and I went through the process of filling in the application for...
John Hemming | 511 c370 (Link to this contribution) When we apply for a passport, every 10 years, we provide a new photograph. I, for example, am a litt...
Lord Blunkett | 511 c367 (Link to this contribution) I thought I had accepted this afternoon that I and many others got it wrong, but not my right hon. F...
Pete Wishart | 511 c367 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for giving way, but this is typical new Labour arrogance: ...
Lord Blunkett | 511 c365-7 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the hon. Member for Gosport (Caroline Dinenage) on a feisty maiden speech, demanding ...
Alan Johnson | 511 c362 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way because I am about to conclude. My final point is that the Government intend no...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c362 (Link to this contribution) If I heard the right hon. Gentleman correctly, he claims that somehow we are going to punish ““hundr...
Alan Johnson | 511 c362 (Link to this contribution) That precise point has been made by Liberty, which opposes ID cards—[Interruption.] An hon. Member s...
David TC Davies | 511 c381 (Link to this contribution) I hate to give the hon. Gentleman a politics lesson, but he ought to know that right-wing Members of...
Keith Vaz | 511 c406 (Link to this contribution) I look forward to finding out when my hon. Friend the Member for Hackney South and Shoreditch replie...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c346 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention. She does indeed have an honourable record of maintaining...
Chris Bryant | 511 c349 (Link to this contribution) Will the Home Secretary give way?
Robert Flello | 511 c353 (Link to this contribution) I, too, very much welcome you to the Chair, Mr Deputy Speaker. Does my right hon. Friend understand...
David Davis | 511 c355 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend—I will call him that, because he knows our relationship—is carefully not quotin...
Robert Buckland | 511 c357 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman give way?
Alan Johnson | 511 c362 (Link to this contribution) Fifteen thousand is a significant number of people—[Interruption.] On Monday, the Deputy Prime said ...
Baroness May of Maidenhead | 511 c348-9 (Link to this contribution) If I can just correct a slight inaccuracy of terminology in the way in which the hon. Lady referred ...

Subjects

Disclosure of information
Compensation
Civil liberties
Databases
Biometrics
Costs
Fraud
Genetics
Identity cards
Organised crime
Personation
National identity register
Proof of identity
Passports
Terrorism

Legislation

Identity Documents Bill 2010-12

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