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Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 13 October 2009, in the House of Commons.
Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL). Report stage debate. New clause 12, discussed with new clauses 3, 5 and 7, debated and agreed to on question. New clause 19, discussed with new clause 20, 1, 9, 15 and 16, debated and agreed to on question. New clause 20 agreed to on question. New clause 2, discussed with new clauses 4, 8, 10, 11, 17 and 18, debated and withdrawn. New clause 3 negatived on division (195 votes to 265). New clause 4 agreed to on question. New clause 6, discussed with new clauses 13 and 14, negatived on question. New clause 8 negatived on division (208 votes to 260). New clause 13 negatived on division (203 votes to 261). Third reading debate. Queen's and Prince of Wales's consents signified. Bill read a third time (agreed to on division, 274 votes to 189) and passed with amendments.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

497 c169-267 

Session

2008-09

Department

Department for Communities and Local Government

Legislative stage

Third reading and Report stage

Procedure

New clauses
Prince of Wales's consent
Queen's consent

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL). Brought from the Lords. Explanatory Notes Bill 93-EN also published.
Thursday, 30 April 2009
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Andrew Mackinlay | 497 c225 (Link to this contribution) Actually, I feel a little ashamed for not appreciating this matter at the time of the 2000 Act. I re...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c231-2 (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments focuses on the local democracy section of the Bill, and we can tell from th...

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John Redwood | 497 c228 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for that comment, and I hope that that means that those on the Oppos...
Mike Hancock | 497 c228-30 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not being here earlier, but I was tied up with several things at the same time, as w...
David Leslie Taylor | 497 c230 (Link to this contribution) I recall that, in his early days in local government, the hon. Gentleman was a notable Labour counci...
Andrew Mackinlay | 497 c225-7 (Link to this contribution) Bob Thomas! He was the prime minister of Manchester. He was the big man of Manchester, and people de...
John Redwood | 497 c227 (Link to this contribution) I rise to support the excellent contribution by the hon. Member for Thurrock (Andrew Mackinlay), in ...
Andrew Mackinlay | 497 c224-5 (Link to this contribution) I am pleased to catch your eye, Mr. Deputy Speaker, in this general debate on several new clauses an...
John Redwood | 497 c225 (Link to this contribution) I would like to say how much I agree with the hon. Gentleman. He is making a case that many of us ma...
Jim Cousins | 497 c222-3 (Link to this contribution) I am as always grateful for your clarification, Mr. Deputy Speaker. New clause 4 would give the dau...
David Curry | 497 c223-4 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Newcastle upon Tyne, Central (Jim Cousins) should be thankful for small mercies:...
Jim Cousins | 497 c222 (Link to this contribution) I rise to move new clause 4, which stands in my name, and I hope to offer the House a little explana...
Speaker | 497 c222 (Link to this contribution) Order. May I just say to the House that the hon. Gentleman is actually going to speak to his new cla...
Graham Stringer | 497 c219-20 (Link to this contribution) I wish to speak to new clauses 10 and 11. As we discussed in the previous debate, the Bill is in a v...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c220-1 (Link to this contribution) While listening to the contributions of the hon. Member for Manchester, Blackley (Graham Stringer) a...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c218 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman's going through the failure of all Departments to address this issue...
Lord Goodman of Wycombe | 497 c218-9 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Lady makes a perfectly valid point and reminds me not to go through all the Departments' re...
John Redwood | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) How on earth can giving people choice and allowing them to make sensible decisions create confusion ...
Lord Goodman of Wycombe | 497 c237 (Link to this contribution) It sounds as though the Minister may have made a rather important announcement. Can she confirm that...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c236-7 (Link to this contribution) What I am saying is that the new structures are well bedded in. We generally legislate in ways that ...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c238 (Link to this contribution) The provision will be by order. We have said that we want to aim to bring in the provisions in 2010,...
Jim Cousins | 497 c238 (Link to this contribution) May I invite the Minister to consider this point? The provision in the Bill does not confer a right ...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c238-9 (Link to this contribution) Yes. As I was saying, the provisions of clause 27 were inserted through an amendment tabled by Lord ...
David Drew | 497 c239 (Link to this contribution) Because of the nice things that my right hon. Friend has had to say about parish councils and how th...
Speaker | 497 c239 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c243 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 497 c243 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 13—Local Spending Reports—
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c232-4 (Link to this contribution) No, I did not say that; I said was that there were two reasons. The first is that councils have the ...
Mike Hancock | 497 c232 (Link to this contribution) Is the Minister saying that her only reason for objecting to the proposal is the possible cost impli...
Mike Hancock | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister tell us what evidence exists to suggest that the change has been for the bettermen...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) Many Members have described the way in which they thought the old system worked. I believe that alth...
Joan Walley | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend allow me to put on record that, all along, we in Stoke-on-Trent had seriou...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) I hear what my hon. Friend says, but we are not aware of any significant interest among local author...
Andrew Mackinlay | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister, but I simply will not let her get away with this nonsense. All that I...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) I am sure my hon. Friend does not really mean that. [Hon. Members: "He does!"] Perhaps I can clarify...
David Curry | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) The proposal from the hon. Member for Thurrock (Andrew Mackinlay) does not require any single counci...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c235 (Link to this contribution) It is also important for us in this place when we, too, are legislating to have as far as possible a...
David Leslie Taylor | 497 c248 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to amendment 3, tabled by my hon. Friend the Member for Stroud (Mr. Drew). It is impor...
Speaker | 497 c249 (Link to this contribution) I ask the Serjeant at Arms to investigate the delay in the No Lobby.
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c260-1 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. I am aware that we do not have a great dea...
Caroline Spelman | 497 c261-3 (Link to this contribution) I want to record our thanks to all those who have devoted so many hours to debating the Bill, but it...
David Curry | 497 c263-4 (Link to this contribution) The Bill faces in absolutely the wrong direction. The core of the Bill is to give more powers to the...
Dan Rogerson | 497 c263 (Link to this contribution) I shall keep my remarks fairly brief. I have had the privilege, in the brief time that I have been i...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c246 (Link to this contribution) I agree, but unfortunately that is only the latest in a long line of disappointments on this issue. ...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 497 c246 (Link to this contribution) I too shall be brief. I concur with my right hon. Friend the Member for West Dorset (Mr. Letwin): it...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c245 (Link to this contribution) New clause 6 has a number of similarities with other amendments in this group, which raise concerns ...
Oliver Letwin | 497 c245 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Lady agree that it is a disgrace that the Government have in effect prevented a seriou...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c248 (Link to this contribution) I am very well aware of the interest my hon. Friend has shown in the issue—as has my hon. Friend the...
Joan Walley | 497 c247 (Link to this contribution) Given my long-standing interest in the whole issue of sustainability, and the length of time I have ...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 497 c246-7 (Link to this contribution) The Minister says, "We've been over this", but the Home Secretary does not agree and is masquerading...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c169 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 497 c169 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 3—Insolvency protection—
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c171-3 (Link to this contribution) New clause 12 addresses the Secretary of State's power to disapply the operation of part 2 of the Ho...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 497 c175-6 (Link to this contribution) As usual, my hon. Friend, the shadow construction Minister, makes an apposite point. There was a goo...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c176-7 (Link to this contribution) I commend the Minister on the way in which she has handled being dropped into this compost heap of a...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 497 c175 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend pre-empts my remarks intended for later when the hon. Member for Falmouth and C...
Mark Prisk | 497 c175 (Link to this contribution) I shall not detain my hon. Friend long. He is absolutely right to suggest that, in addition to the B...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 497 c177 (Link to this contribution) Is the hon. Lady aware that a number of Ministers over the past few years have promised to look spec...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c177-8 (Link to this contribution) I was aware of that, and it leads me to another concern. Although there has been consultation on all...
David Heathcoat-Amory | 497 c175 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear my hon. Friend speaking in this way. Is he also aware that subcontractors often fi...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 497 c174-5 (Link to this contribution) I am not a fluent Welsh speaker, but I do my best. I think the new clause is important for this rea...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 497 c173-4 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate the Minister on wading into the construction contracts in part 8 of the Bill. As we k...
Elfyn Llwyd | 497 c186 (Link to this contribution) Surely the point is that the sub-contractor would have delivered materials to the site, used employe...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c184 (Link to this contribution) This has been a wide-ranging debate, which is a reflection of its importance to hon. Members. Obviou...
Lord Jackson of Peterborough | 497 c184-5 (Link to this contribution) Surely the right hon. Lady accepts that it would have been better to introduce these proposals in le...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c185 (Link to this contribution) What is important is that we get this right, and there have been a number of discussions about how t...
Nick Raynsford | 497 c178-9 (Link to this contribution) First, may I draw attention to my interests as declared in the Register of Members' Interests? The ...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c178 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes an important point. We have to remember that, in the construction industry in p...
Nick Raynsford | 497 c179-80 (Link to this contribution) There are of course a number of different aspects to the issue of cash flow and the hon. Gentleman r...
Colin Breed | 497 c179 (Link to this contribution) One problem banks now have is the provision of much needed cash flow support through overdrafts and ...
Colin Breed | 497 c178 (Link to this contribution) A number of smaller firms sometimes find that they are working perfectly satisfactorily and are then...
Oliver Heald | 497 c193 (Link to this contribution) Is it not a concern that, at an examination in public, Luton council, for example, could say, "Oh no...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c193 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, we try to encourage joint working. If local authorities disagree, an independent ins...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c191-3 (Link to this contribution) The new arrangements that we are introducing—the RDA and leaders boards—will address some of the iss...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c188-91 (Link to this contribution) New clause 19, together with new clause 20 and amendments 28 and 29, relates to mutual insurance arr...
Speaker | 497 c187 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 20 —Mutual insurance...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c187 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 497 c186 (Link to this contribution) I will invite the hon. Gentleman to do that at the appropriate time, when we reach it—it will not be...
Elfyn Llwyd | 497 c186 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I apologise for interrupting, but I indicated that I wanted...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c186 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, the case that the hon. Gentleman highlights would put other creditors in a weaker po...
Graham Stringer | 497 c203-4 (Link to this contribution) The right hon. Gentleman makes a perfectly valid and excellent point. Long ago, almost every large p...
Lord Lilley | 497 c204-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall try to be brief and to stick strictly to new clause 1, which seeks to close a loophole in pl...
Oliver Heald | 497 c205 (Link to this contribution) I want to speak briefly to support my right hon. Friend the Member for Hitchin and Harpenden (Mr. Li...
Lord Deben | 497 c205-6 (Link to this contribution) I also support new clause 1, even though the seat that I represent is not under threat at the moment...
Lord Deben | 497 c203 (Link to this contribution) I know that the hon. Gentleman and I do not have quite the same view about the private sector, but h...
Speaker | 497 c207 (Link to this contribution) Order. I am sure that the right hon. Gentleman and the hon. Lady who provoked him will appreciate th...
Mark Field | 497 c206 (Link to this contribution) I agree with much of what my right hon. Friend says, just as I agreed with much of what my right hon...
Phyllis Starkey | 497 c207 (Link to this contribution) Like my hon. Friend the Member for Manchester, Blackley (Graham Stringer), I, too, was the leader of...
Lord Deben | 497 c207 (Link to this contribution) As so often, the hon. Lady has a partial memory of history. She forgets that local authorities did n...
Christopher Chope | 497 c197 (Link to this contribution) I have a lot of sympathy with what the hon. Lady is saying, but why does she think that we need a na...
Phyllis Starkey | 497 c197-8 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman may not have noticed that the Committee was not asking for a national strategy. I...
Lord Goodman of Wycombe | 497 c193-6 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to our new clause 16, which would give local councils a power of general competence,...
Phyllis Starkey | 497 c196-7 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak in favour of new clause 9, which was tabled by me and a number of other members of t...
Graham Stringer | 497 c202-3 (Link to this contribution) That is precisely the point, is it not? The title of the Bill is a misnomer. It is yet another Bill ...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c200-1 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Member for Milton Keynes, South-West (Dr. Starkey) has raised an important issue that we ha...
Lord Goodman of Wycombe | 497 c201 (Link to this contribution) I have a lot of sympathy with the point that the hon. Lady is making. Our intention was simply to da...
Lord Deben | 497 c198-9 (Link to this contribution) All the examples that the hon. Lady has given show considerable local concern, and I am lucky to hav...
Phyllis Starkey | 497 c199-200 (Link to this contribution) As I have said, I am in two minds about that argument. The right hon. Gentleman will be aware that t...
Oliver Heald | 497 c211 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister explain why we do not therefore have a coherent policy in our part of Hertfordshir...
Oliver Heald | 497 c212 (Link to this contribution) Or "Steventon". Is the Minister not prepared to say anything, so that we can tell people in Hertford...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c212 (Link to this contribution) The whole point of the Bill is that it does what a number of authorities, including Conservative-led...
David Drew | 497 c213 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 497 c213 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: New clause 4—Local freedoms—
David Drew | 497 c214-6 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to discuss this important issue. I immediately disclose an interest: I am a town coun...
Lord Goodman of Wycombe | 497 c216 (Link to this contribution) I shall be very brief, Mr. Deputy Speaker, because I believe that I am able to speak not to the othe...
Speaker | 497 c216 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is entitled to address as he sees fit any of the new clauses or amendments in the...
Lord Goodman of Wycombe | 497 c216-7 (Link to this contribution) In which case, I shall begin by responding to the hon. Member for Stroud (Mr. Drew) and new clause 2...
Lord Deben | 497 c207-8 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, Mr. Deputy Speaker, so I shall explain that my view of local government democracy—as put for...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c208 (Link to this contribution) We have covered a vast number of issues in the debate on this group of amendments. I shall start by ...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c210-1 (Link to this contribution) Indeed. The British Toilet Association's awards are a good way of highlighting best practice in this...
Speaker | 497 c208 (Link to this contribution) Order. The Minister is replying directly to the right hon. Gentleman and it would be helpful if the ...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c208-9 (Link to this contribution) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker. In my letter, I said:""You asked for reassurance that if particular ...
Graham Stringer | 497 c211 (Link to this contribution) I always listen carefully to my right hon. Friend's argument, but that is the nonsense of it, is it ...
Lord Deben | 497 c211 (Link to this contribution) I have had those discussions, and business representatives are quite clear. They do not think that t...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c211 (Link to this contribution) The more that the right hon. Gentleman denies the help that is going out there, the more worried loc...
Mike Hancock | 497 c230-1 (Link to this contribution) I think that they would rush to seize the opportunity. Hon. Members would not believe the enthusiasm...
Elfyn Llwyd | 497 c180-4 (Link to this contribution) In speaking to new clause 3, I must acknowledge the huge assistance that I have received from Profes...
Graham Stringer | 497 c191 (Link to this contribution) I may have had this discussion with my right hon. Friend and others before, but will she tell the Ho...
Lord Deben | 497 c207 (Link to this contribution) I disagree fundamentally with my hon. Friend. First, when development does take place, the problem i...
Julia Goldsworthy | 497 c201-2 (Link to this contribution) I suspect that it might be rejected, but I was pleased to see that new clause 15 refers specifically...
Baroness Winterton of Doncaster | 497 c211 (Link to this contribution) And the whole point of the Bill is to enable multi-area agreements and economic prosperity boards, s...
Robert Neill | 497 c227-8 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a powerful point. Perhaps his experience of the committee system is reinf...
Joan Walley | 497 c248 (Link to this contribution) I am most grateful. I look forward to an urgent meeting with great interest. I should like the Campa...

Subjects

Contracts
Appeals
Construction
Insolvency
Insurance
Economic planning
Local government
Local government finance
Payments
Planning
Public consultation
Parish and town councils
Public lavatories
Regional planning and development
Regional development agencies
Petitions
Freemen of cities

Legislation

Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL) 2008-09

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