Geneva Conventions and United Nations Personnel (Protocols) Bill (HL). Programme motion (No. 2) on proceedings in Committee, on Report and Third reading. Agreed to on division (332 votes to 157). Committee stage debate. Clauses 1 to 3, and Schedule 1 agreed to. Bill reported without amendment. Third reading. Agreed to on question and Bill passed.
Geneva Conventions and United Nations Personnel (Protocols) Bill [Lords]
Debate on bills
and
Committee of the Whole House (HC) on Wednesday, 10 June 2009,
in the House of Commons,
led by Chris Bryant.
The answering
member was David Lidington.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
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Geneva Conventions and United Nations Personnel (Protocols) Bill (HL). Brought from the Lords. Explanatory Notes Bill 69-EN also published.
Monday, 2 March 2009
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Monday, 2 March 2009
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Proceeding contributions
Oliver Heald | 493 c829 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the hon. Gentleman for giving way again. In broad terms, I am sympathetic to the Bi...
Chris Bryant | 493 c829 (Link to this contribution)
The honest truth is that in the vast majority of cases, certainly as they affect the United Kingdom,...
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Oliver Heald | 493 c828-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am following the Minister's points with great interest. Does the symbol of Switzerland not also ca...
Chris Bryant | 493 c829 (Link to this contribution)
There is already a third one in the conventions—the red lion and sun—so that Persia had an emblem th...
Chris Bryant | 493 c831 (Link to this contribution)
No, there is not, and I do not think that that would be appropriate. There is no need to abandon the...
John Hayes | 493 c831 (Link to this contribution)
This is an important subject, as I said when we debated the programme motion. The universality of th...
Chris Bryant | 493 c831 (Link to this contribution)
I disagree with the hon. Gentleman. It is interesting that he used the phrase, "The universality of ...
Peter Atkinson | 493 c829 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister touched on the star of David, which the Israelis want as their symbol. Does he anticipa...
Gerald Howarth | 493 c830 (Link to this contribution)
This is a very important issue; it is not only about emblems but about their significance. I fully s...
Chris Bryant | 493 c829 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman may know that the Israeli national society, the Magen David Adom, has used the re...
Stewart Hosie | 493 c830 (Link to this contribution)
I agree with the Minister that there has to be international support in developing an understanding ...
Chris Bryant | 493 c830 (Link to this contribution)
I know of the interest that the hon. Gentleman has historically taken in the armed forces, which, as...
Robert Smith | 493 c831 (Link to this contribution)
Is there any general move in order to try to remove ambiguity towards the crystal evolving into the ...
Chris Bryant | 493 c830 (Link to this contribution)
The same could be true of a red cross, because if the arm is bent in the right way it ends up no lon...
David Lidington | 493 c833 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister pursue a little further the point that the right hon. Member for Pontypridd (Dr. H...
Chris Bryant | 493 c834 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman is right—he put it better than I could, as doubtless he often will in the many de...
Chris Bryant | 493 c832 (Link to this contribution)
I do not believe that we need to establish it in every part of the world with immediate effect. The ...
Oliver Heald | 493 c831-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am trespassing on the Minister's good will, but we have established that a symbol such as the cros...
Chris Bryant | 493 c831 (Link to this contribution)
I am being tempted down theological lines, which is quite dangerous, so I should rather like to say,...
John Hayes | 493 c831 (Link to this contribution)
The cross has been used as a symbol since prehistoric times. It can be traced to almost every cultur...
Chris Bryant | 493 c833 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to my right hon. Friend and neighbour for his comments. He was a fine Minister in the ...
Kim Howells | 493 c833 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate my hon. Friend on his new position. It is a very important one, and I know that he wi...
Chris Bryant | 493 c832-3 (Link to this contribution)
I suspect that however many words I say about the universality of the original symbol, I will not be...
John Hayes | 493 c832 (Link to this contribution)
I have no desire to be unnecessarily disputatious, but the Minister mentions Henri Dunant and Solfer...
Oliver Heald | 493 c834 (Link to this contribution)
Things could become very confusing. If every country has a choice between the red crescent, the red ...
Jo Swinson | 493 c836-7 (Link to this contribution)
This has been a fascinating and informative debate, not least because we have found out the birthday...
Chris Bryant | 493 c837 (Link to this contribution)
This is not the first Bill to do that: the Bill that became the Geneva Conventions Act 1957 did so a...
Chris Bryant | 493 c836 (Link to this contribution)
Just for the sake of completeness, I should point out to the hon. Gentleman that the red lion and su...
David Lidington | 493 c836 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for making that point clear.
The Minister said that the British Red C...
Chris Bryant | 493 c834-5 (Link to this contribution)
I thought somebody might ask that question and I have the answer. Forty counties, including Israel, ...
David Lidington | 493 c835 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his introduction to the clause, and I shall not oppose the stand p...
Chris Bryant | 493 c834 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry if I have misled the hon. Gentleman—I never want to do that. We do not envisage every cou...
Malcolm Moss | 493 c834 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the Under-Secretary on his new post. Who decides which symbol or emblem will be used ...
Jo Swinson | 493 c837 (Link to this contribution)
A mine of intriguing information is our Minister. Presumably the 1957 Act introduced the red cross, ...
Alan Reid | 493 c837-8 (Link to this contribution)
This has been an interesting and informative debate. I am fully in support of the Bill, but I would ...
John Hayes | 493 c838 (Link to this contribution)
As the Minister and the shadow Minister said, this is not a partisan matter, but it is an important ...
Chair of Committees of the Whole House | 493 c844 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, as I doubt very much that we will reach a debate on proposed schedule 7, it is indeed appropria...
Malcolm Moss | 493 c844 (Link to this contribution)
Thank you very much, Mrs. Heal.
Proposed schedule 7 states:""Recalling further that National Societ...
Chris Bryant | 493 c844 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr. Hayes) made a highly informative and fascina...
Chris Bryant | 493 c838 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman cites G. K. Chesterton, but Chesterton had a very firm understanding of the theol...
John Hayes | 493 c838-40 (Link to this contribution)
Of course that is true about Chesterton. He was making a case for a Christian emblem. The case that ...
Kim Howells | 493 c840-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am fascinated by the hon. Gentleman's historical lesson, which is very instructive, but I want to ...
John Hayes | 493 c841-4 (Link to this contribution)
It is interesting to hear the right hon. Gentleman put it that way. I had not wanted to make a case ...
Chris Bryant | 493 c845 (Link to this contribution)
I am not sure the Minister understands what he means by "mean" or "what" in this particular circumst...
John Hayes | 493 c845 (Link to this contribution)
Would there be a purpose then in detaching the red lion from the protocol, or would it be better to ...
Chris Bryant | 493 c846 (Link to this contribution)
Well, apparently there will be further ado.
Malcolm Moss | 493 c846 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister has not answered my question. If the answer is long in coming, perhaps he would underta...
Chris Bryant | 493 c845 (Link to this contribution)
In my estimation, it would be an unnecessary row to have. It would also involve many other countries...
Kim Howells | 493 c847 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend just read out a long list of countries, some of which I found very surprising. Mali, ...
Chris Bryant | 493 c846-7 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that hon. Members, albeit in a slightly querulous and sceptical mode, will also support claus...
Chris Bryant | 493 c847 (Link to this contribution)
The protection is afforded to those who are directly involved in the UN peacekeeping mission and to ...
David Lidington | 493 c847-8 (Link to this contribution)
If I heard him correctly, the Minister said a moment ago that not all countries with UN missions had...
Chris Bryant | 493 c848 (Link to this contribution)
I think that the hon. Gentleman is right, and I apologise if I inadvertently misled him. As I unders...
John Hayes | 493 c848 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister will be delighted to know that this will be my final intervention, but clause 2 deals w...
Chris Bryant | 493 c848 (Link to this contribution)
I think that I can match that. There is a very fine book called "Jung and the Christian Way", writte...
Kim Howells | 493 c848-9 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to interrupt again on this point, but it is very important. I have been in some of the ar...
Chris Bryant | 493 c849 (Link to this contribution)
I have not been to so many of the places to which my right hon. Friend refers; my own experience has...
Jo Swinson | 493 c849 (Link to this contribution)
I want to follow up on who would be covered by this measure. I welcomed the fact that on Second Read...
Chris Bryant | 493 c849 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. The NGOs do an extraordinary job in many parts of the world, and they do work that could...
David Lidington | 493 c850 (Link to this contribution)
I am happy to offer my support for the clause, which is undoubtedly a welcome addition to the existi...
David Lidington | 493 c851 (Link to this contribution)
This is a welcome piece of legislation, which the Opposition are happy to support.
Question put and...
Chris Bryant | 493 c851 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time.
I am not sure that I can add anything furt...
Jo Swinson | 493 c850-1 (Link to this contribution)
I support clause 2. Legal protection for UN personnel who are doing essential peace building and eme...
Chris Bryant | 493 c828 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move, That the clause stand part of the Bill.
As I am sure hon. Members will know, the fir...
Malcolm Moss | 493 c844 (Link to this contribution)
I assume, Mrs. Heal, that I will be in order if I speak in the clause stand part debate about the sc...
John Hayes | 493 c845 (Link to this contribution)
What the whole House wants to know is: what does the Minister mean by "what"?
Chris Bryant | 493 c846 (Link to this contribution)
More to the point, the Minister cannot remember the question, so whether he would be able to remembe...
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