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Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill

Debate on bills on Tuesday, 5 May 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Knight of Weymouth. The answering member was Nick Gibb.
Apprenticeships, Skills, Children and Learning Bill. Report stage. New clause 14, discussed with new clause 15, and new clause 21, discussed with new clauses 22 to 24, agreed to. New clause 1, discussed with new clause 11, negatived on division (181 votes to 273). New clause 2 negatived on division (186 votes to 278). Amendments made. Amendment 80 negatived on division (41 votes to 275). New schedule 3 agreed to on question. Third reading debate. Agreed to on question and Bill passed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

492 c25-138 

Session

2008-09

Legislative stage

Third reading and Report stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Proceeding contributions

Ed Balls | 492 c58 (Link to this contribution) indicated dissent.
Tim Loughton | 492 c58-9 (Link to this contribution) I am seriously worried that the Secretary of State is shaking his head, because he now needs to have...

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Ed Balls | 492 c59 (Link to this contribution) That is exactly why Lord Laming proposes that all these targets be reviewed and we come forward with...
Tim Loughton | 492 c59 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State does not make his point any clearer by simply repeating himself. What does no...
Ed Balls | 492 c59-60 (Link to this contribution) Lord Laming says that we should review the current targets and put in place new statutory targets. I...
Tim Loughton | 492 c58 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State does not seem to think that that is clear, however. The fact that I do not su...
Ed Balls | 492 c58 (Link to this contribution) Lord Laming makes it absolutely clear in his report that he sees the national delivery unit as centr...
Tim Loughton | 492 c58 (Link to this contribution) I think that I have made it absolutely clear that we do not support one of Lord Laming's central rec...
Tim Loughton | 492 c60 (Link to this contribution) In other words, the Secretary of State does not know whether there will be a target for the number o...
Ed Balls | 492 c60 (Link to this contribution) All that we are doing is taking primary powers to implement Lord Laming's recommendation of new stat...
Speaker | 492 c60 (Link to this contribution) Order. I understand the Secretary of State's wish to provide an explanation, but interventions must ...
Tim Loughton | 492 c63 (Link to this contribution) Sue Berelowitz, the Deputy Children's Commissioner, whom I saw again just this morning, was one of t...
Tim Loughton | 492 c62 (Link to this contribution) I will in a minute, but I know what the Secretary of State will say. In our last debate, he jumped u...
Ed Balls | 492 c62 (Link to this contribution) The confidentiality of the full serious case review is not supported by the Conservative party, but ...
Tim Loughton | 492 c62 (Link to this contribution) The NSPCC has been mooted as a partner on the LSCBs. Other children's protection charities have an e...
Tim Loughton | 492 c60-1 (Link to this contribution) The Government will have—as they always have had—the full support of the Opposition when they can ma...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c62 (Link to this contribution) Surely it would depend on the nature of the people who were appointed. On a number of bodies, such a...
Ed Balls | 492 c63 (Link to this contribution) The fact is, as we will see—I will provide the quotes during the course of the debate—that all I did...
Tim Loughton | 492 c63 (Link to this contribution) As usual, the Secretary of State read out selective quotes, and that is why the people who wrote the...
Ed Balls | 492 c63-4 (Link to this contribution) I will quote from Lord Laming's report:""The future of SCRs depends, to a large degree, on the guara...
Tim Loughton | 492 c64 (Link to this contribution) I would ask the Secretary of State to withdraw the comment that he has just made. We do not oppose a...
Ed Balls | 492 c64 (Link to this contribution) We have had a litany of criticisms from the Conservative party of all the different recommendations ...
Tim Loughton | 492 c64 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State really does himself no credit. Some of us have worked for rather longer than ...
Graham Stuart | 492 c64-5 (Link to this contribution) It seems clear to me that the Secretary of State has not apologised. He said on the record that the ...
Speaker | 492 c65 (Link to this contribution) Order. This debate is becoming somewhat fractious, and I suggest that although there is certainly re...
Tim Loughton | 492 c65 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, Madam Deputy Speaker. I was about to conclude, and I shall finish briefly with new claus...
Andrew Dismore | 492 c65-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to amendment 15, which stands in my name, as Chair of the Joint Committee on Human Rig...
Annette Brooke | 492 c67-9 (Link to this contribution) We on the Liberal Democrat Benches welcome new clause 21 and consider it a good response to the deba...
Sharon Hodgson | 492 c71 (Link to this contribution) My comments on this cluster of amendments will focus primarily on the role and make-up of the local ...
Edward Timpson | 492 c72 (Link to this contribution) I join other Members in paying tribute to Lord Laming and his enormous interest and dedication to ch...
Alison Seabeck | 492 c69 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Lady clarify something? I understand why she might want a child to communicate on thei...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c73-4 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that several hon. Members saw the "Panorama" programme to which the hon. Member for Mid-Do...
Andrew Turner | 492 c74 (Link to this contribution) That is all very well, but the point is that there were two children in that family and at first we ...
Graham Stuart | 492 c72-3 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps, through my hon. Friend, I could appeal to the Secretary of State to consider placements of ...
Edward Timpson | 492 c73 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend, who makes the case clearly. Unless we ensure that social workers ha...
Rob Marris | 492 c36 (Link to this contribution) I understand the hon. Gentleman's concern, but may I suggest that one point where it might not be ap...
Nick Gibb | 492 c35-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a good point; the deputy Chief Whip was present throughout the later stages of ...
Bill Wiggin | 492 c35 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is rightly teasing the Government for wasting the House's time. Does he know where th...
Nick Gibb | 492 c34-5 (Link to this contribution) There is an element of déjà vu to this debate. The Minister is moving precisely the same new clauses...
Graham Stuart | 492 c36 (Link to this contribution) I, too, am interested by the use of the term "over compulsory school age". I thought that "compulsor...
Nick Gibb | 492 c36 (Link to this contribution) I do not accept that. Given the statistics that I have just read out, we need to put more effort int...
David Burrowes | 492 c34 (Link to this contribution) On the requirement for notification when a young person has been subject to a detention order, will ...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c34 (Link to this contribution) It is my understanding that that applies whenever a young person is within the secure estate, but if...
Alison Seabeck | 492 c34 (Link to this contribution) I welcome this new clause, but does my hon. Friend the Minister not share my concern that some local...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c34 (Link to this contribution) That is a similar point to one raised earlier about what we would do if a local authority did not pu...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c38;492 c38-9 (Link to this contribution) I was not privileged to be a member of the Public Bill Committee, so I hope that what I say has not ...
Graham Stuart | 492 c40;492 c40-1 (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Luton, North (Kelvin Hopkins). Uniquely, I foun...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c39;492 c39-40 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I shall come on to make the point that there is alw...
Anne Main | 492 c40-1;492 c41 (Link to this contribution) It is important that we look at added value. People often start at a low base when they enter into t...
Nick Gibb | 492 c36-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a very good point. It is an anachronistic phrase—if one is to believe the rheto...
Gordon Marsden | 492 c37 (Link to this contribution) I apologise for not joining the debate earlier, but I have been in a Select Committee meeting. I ha...
John Hayes | 492 c37 (Link to this contribution) I am reluctant to interrupt the hon. Gentleman as I know that he takes a great interest in these mat...
Gordon Marsden | 492 c37;492 c37-8 (Link to this contribution) I have nothing to add to that intervention and I shall continue my train of thought. These amendmen...
Annette Brooke | 492 c37-8;492 c38 (Link to this contribution) I, too, hope that our considerations today proceed smoothly and without a hitch. On the subject of t...
Rob Marris | 492 c43-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree because, at base, it is partly about self-esteem. It is also about whether such people are l...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c44-5 (Link to this contribution) That was an interesting debate. There were some very good contributions by Members on both sides of ...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c43 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that my hon. Friend saw a recent documentary about young people being taught to read, and ...
Sharon Hodgson | 492 c42 (Link to this contribution) I agree. As hon. Members know, I introduced a private Member's Bill on special educational needs and...
Graham Stuart | 492 c41 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is quite right, and he has picked up a point made by the hon. Member for Wolverhampto...
David Burrowes | 492 c41 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made a very good point. Given the indication that the statement of special educat...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c46 (Link to this contribution) We are looking forward to agreeing that model as we bring it forward. The home LEA is involved becau...
Rob Marris | 492 c46 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend assure me that the YPLA, which will be the funding body for the host authority, w...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c46-7 (Link to this contribution) I cannot give my hon. Friend an assurance on whether that average is right without having the figure...
Graham Stuart | 492 c45 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister explain at exactly what point in the process parents will be involved?
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c45 (Link to this contribution) In general, the parent or guardian will be the statutory person, but there is no reason why we canno...
Graham Stuart | 492 c46 (Link to this contribution) I am trying to understand this process. I thought that the home authority was going to play a role, ...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c45-6 (Link to this contribution) As we work with partners on the guidance, we can consider at what level parents will be engaged in t...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c45 (Link to this contribution) I thank my hon. Friend for her reassurance on these matters. Has her Department made any attempt to ...
Anne Main | 492 c45 (Link to this contribution) Does the word "parents" include grandparents, or people who are in a parenting role? Sometimes peopl...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c45 (Link to this contribution) I take my hon. Friend's point. He will be aware that we have employed Sir Brian Lamb to review paren...
Ed Balls | 492 c51-2 (Link to this contribution) The recommendations in Lord Laming's report challenge us to do just that. The combination of the new...
John Hayes | 492 c52 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Secretary of State for giving way; I appreciate that he is in mid-flow. We welc...
Annette Brooke | 492 c50 (Link to this contribution) I have some concerns about consultation. The Secretary of State has just made it clear that there wi...
Ed Balls | 492 c49-50 (Link to this contribution) Over the past few days, people around the country will have been horrified to read that one of the d...
Speaker | 492 c48-9 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 22—Targets for safeg...
Ed Balls | 492 c48 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Bob Spink | 492 c51 (Link to this contribution) I fully accept the Secretary of State's good will in bringing forward the Government's new clauses, ...
Ed Balls | 492 c51 (Link to this contribution) The reports will be public reports, issued by the safeguarding children board. All the experts who a...
Rob Marris | 492 c51 (Link to this contribution) I display my ignorance here, but I see that the annual report will go to the local children's trust ...
Ed Balls | 492 c50-1 (Link to this contribution) In preparing his report, which I asked him to begin in December, Lord Laming held a wide range of me...
Ed Balls | 492 c57 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman asks for transparency. As I want to respond clearly to his remarks, I must say to...
Anne Main | 492 c54 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right that our further education colleges do a really good job, but the...
Tim Loughton | 492 c52-4 (Link to this contribution) I echo the Secretary of State's sentiment that every right-thinking person in this country will have...
Tim Loughton | 492 c54 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has done well to make that point, getting in almost under the radar. There is an oppo...
Speaker | 492 c54 (Link to this contribution) Order. I remind the hon. Lady that we are discussing the content of the new clause rather than the w...
Tim Loughton | 492 c54-5 (Link to this contribution) I would be delighted to defer to the hon. Gentleman to allow him to comment on our single amendment....
David Laws | 492 c54 (Link to this contribution) You are thinking about yours.
Tim Loughton | 492 c55-7 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is absolutely right. We need fewer case loads heaped on to individual social work...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c55 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is focusing on the additional bureaucracy arising from Laming 1, and possibly Lam...
Ed Balls | 492 c52 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the hon. Gentleman. We believe that this is a better way of ensuring that we can have ...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c28;492 c29 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Graham Stuart | 492 c29 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister explain why the Government have chosen to make the host authority use "best endeav...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c29 (Link to this contribution) New clause 14 inserts new chapter 5A into part X of the Education Act 1996. It further strengthens t...
David Burrowes | 492 c29;492 c30 (Link to this contribution) Taking the issue of "best endeavours" further, is it not the case that such endeavours will count on...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c29 (Link to this contribution) I take the hon. Gentleman's point and I shall come on to the detail of his intervention later. The p...
Speaker | 492 c29 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Government new clause 15—Detention of chi...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c31 (Link to this contribution) Again, information sharing between home and host local authorities will be really important. I still...
Rob Marris | 492 c30 (Link to this contribution) The provisions may well be in the new clauses, but it has been a particular problem with young peopl...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c29-30;492 c30 (Link to this contribution) Under the Bill, the budget currently held by the Ministry of Justice, which is responsible for educa...
David Burrowes | 492 c31 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister share the concern about constraints for home authorities in relation to the increa...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c30-1 (Link to this contribution) Information sharing is going to be particularly important. Because of the previous split in responsi...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c32 (Link to this contribution) We will consult on the guidance, and we will ensure that all parties—including the Ministry of Justi...
John Hayes | 492 c32 (Link to this contribution) Of course we all have the best interests of young people at heart, and "best endeavours" matter imme...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c32 (Link to this contribution) I think we all want to ensure that this actually happens for young people. As in many cases, a statu...
Annette Brooke | 492 c32 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for the comment that was made on this very point in the letter sent on 29 April...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c31-2;492 c32 (Link to this contribution) That is a valid point and something we could consider when we are putting the statutory guidance tog...
Graham Stuart | 492 c31;492 c32 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the Minister, who is being most generous in giving way. Did she consider ...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c33-4 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has made an excellent point. I cannot say off the top of my head whether the matter i...
Rob Marris | 492 c33 (Link to this contribution) Inasmuch as new section 562E—entitled "Provision of information about detained persons"—relates to p...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c32-3 (Link to this contribution) It is certainly not the intention of the legislation that that will happen. While we do not accept t...
Bob Spink | 492 c32 (Link to this contribution) I am a little worried about subsection (4)(c) of new subsection 562C. I fear that host authorities m...
David Laws | 492 c134-7 (Link to this contribution) I, too, begin by thanking all those involved in the scrutiny of the Bill, including Ministers who we...
Graham Stuart | 492 c137-8 (Link to this contribution) As we approach the end of the time available to this fading Administration, it seems that the Bill w...
Graham Stuart | 492 c134 (Link to this contribution) On Friday I visited Hornsea Burton primary school in Hornsea in my constituency—a lovely school of 9...
Nick Gibb | 492 c134 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes the point better than I could by citing a specific example from his constituenc...
Nick Gibb | 492 c132-4 (Link to this contribution) That measure was introduced in the Budget as a result of yet another fiasco in the administration of...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 492 c132 (Link to this contribution) I join the hon. Gentleman in thanking all colleagues for their work in Committee. I am resisting the...
Nick Gibb | 492 c131-2 (Link to this contribution) It must come as a welcome relief to the Minister, after all the chaos of the Bill's passage through ...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 492 c130 (Link to this contribution) It is Labour which is guaranteeing the funding and putting in place the infrastructure, through the ...
John Hayes | 492 c130 (Link to this contribution) If employer organisations are so in concert with the Government's ambitions, why did they describe t...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 492 c130 (Link to this contribution) We can all pull out quotes from the evidence sessions from people who supported or opposed aspects o...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 492 c128-9 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the Third time. The high quality of debate so far this aft...
Barry Sheerman | 492 c129 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether my right hon. Friend will be surprised to learn that I agree that this is an econom...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 492 c129-30 (Link to this contribution) Tempting as it may be, given the compelling the case for raising the participation age, I am sure th...
Graham Stuart | 492 c130 (Link to this contribution) I enjoyed the Second Reading of the Bill and sat through Committee, but I am none the wiser about ho...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c115-6 (Link to this contribution) I find it very sad that the hon. Gentleman cannot accept the possibility that the abilities of our y...
Tobias Ellwood | 492 c115 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has been very generous, Madam—sorry, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am confusing genders. If the...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c113 (Link to this contribution) We have had another interesting debate. Many of the points were made in Committee, but I am none the...
Nick Gibb | 492 c113 (Link to this contribution) The Minister uses the term "high-quality assessments and qualifications". Why does she use the word ...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) This is about qualifications, but within the QCDA it is also about the national assessments of the c...
Lord Deben | 492 c111-2 (Link to this contribution) It is all very well for the Minister to shake his head. He is one of the very few in this Government...
Tobias Ellwood | 492 c113 (Link to this contribution) It was under a Tory Government and a Labour Government; I am afraid that I had to witness both. I am...
David Laws | 492 c110 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. Gentleman for his support. May I encourage him to join us if there i...
Lord Deben | 492 c111 (Link to this contribution) No doubt if the hon. Gentleman listens to what I have to say, he will be able to make an assessment ...
Lord Deben | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but the Minister really cannot say that without accepting that if that body cannot compa...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) If the right hon. Gentleman will be patient, I will explain what I believe will happen. There is not...
David Laws | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) Does the Minister really think that the Bill will do away with that debate?
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) Yes, that is the purpose of having an independent regulator, and I will come to why I believe that t...
Graham Stuart | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) Am I right that the Minister has just said that there is a possibility that there will be department...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) It will be a decision of the board whether it wishes to have independent observers. It will be an in...
Graham Stuart | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister tell me whether there will be observers appointed by the Department on the Ofqual b...
Sarah McCarthy-Fry | 492 c114 (Link to this contribution) There is no provision in the Bill for Government observers to attend the Ofqual board. If the board ...
John Hayes | 492 c96-7 (Link to this contribution) What the hon. Gentleman said on the "Today" programme, on blogs and on Twitter is probably not worth...
Sion Simon | 492 c96 (Link to this contribution) I hate to interrupt the hon. Gentleman's peroration, but I should say that I never said that college...
John Hayes | 492 c96 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the Minister, although I was in the middle of my exciting peroration.
Lord Deben | 492 c103 (Link to this contribution) Does it not strike my hon. Friend as odd that the chairman of Ofqual should talk about improving und...
Nick Gibb | 492 c102-3 (Link to this contribution) The Opposition support the establishment of an independent regulator of qualifications and examinati...
Speaker | 492 c101-2 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss the following: Amendment 72, in clause 126, page 72, line...
Nick Gibb | 492 c101 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Nick Gibb | 492 c104-5 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend has summarised brilliantly the argument that I was trying to make. It is a huge...
Nick Gibb | 492 c105 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point that I shall come to in a moment. He is right: people across the ...
Tobias Ellwood | 492 c105 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is making a powerful argument. I wonder whether he has considered the concerns that b...
Nick Gibb | 492 c105-6 (Link to this contribution) I understand that point, but there is a concern in the private sector—a feeling that it should not r...
Lord Knight of Weymouth | 492 c105 (Link to this contribution) I did not intend to intervene in this debate, because the Under-Secretary of State for Children, Sch...
Graham Stuart | 492 c107 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is making a powerful speech, but may I put it to him that we do not have to go to...
David Laws | 492 c106-7 (Link to this contribution) The Bill contains much that is unwanted, unnecessary or both, but the clauses, new clauses and amend...
Graham Stuart | 492 c109 (Link to this contribution) Was the hon. Gentleman disturbed, as I was, by the contents of the letter of 29 April to the Public ...
David Laws | 492 c108-9 (Link to this contribution) It is indeed an important warning of the risk that arises from the manner in which the Government ha...
Lord Deben | 492 c109-10 (Link to this contribution) There seem to be two important aspects of the Bill which are addressed by the amendments and new cla...
David Laws | 492 c109 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman underlines effectively the fact that although the Government initially indicated ...
John Hayes | 492 c92 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman says he understands why Members have ranged widely. If he does understand that, w...
Sion Simon | 492 c92 (Link to this contribution) Most of the speeches that we have heard have ranged far beyond the scope of the new clauses. I under...
Andrew Turner | 492 c91-2 (Link to this contribution) I want to highlight the problems that the freeze of the college building problem has caused on the I...
Stephen Williams | 492 c90-1 (Link to this contribution) That is an excellent point. It is indeed a political scorched-earth policy. Not only are the Governm...
Graham Stuart | 492 c90 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has put his finger on an important point. In many areas, the Government appear to...
Stephen Williams | 492 c89-90 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Gentleman for his intervention. I think I said that there are two formal parts to t...
John Hayes | 492 c89 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman spoke well about these matters in Committee and does so again today. The point th...
Speaker | 492 c92-3 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think what the hon. Gentleman has just said rather underlines my intervention earlier. I al...
Sion Simon | 492 c93 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. New clauses 1 and 11 are not necessary. In terms o...
Graham Stuart | 492 c94 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to the Minister for being so generous in giving way. Can he share with the H...
Sion Simon | 492 c94 (Link to this contribution) No. Foster was very clear that this was a good policy let down by poor implementation. He was also c...
John Hayes | 492 c95 (Link to this contribution) Interestingly, the Minister, at last, gives us some detail about this matter, for which I am gratefu...
Sion Simon | 492 c94-5 (Link to this contribution) I shall move on to new clause 11. The new clause also raises the question of parliamentary scrutiny,...
Graham Stuart | 492 c93 (Link to this contribution) I simply do not understand that reply. Surely there should have been a needs-based assessment of wha...
Graham Stuart | 492 c94 (Link to this contribution) It seems to me that that form of methodology applied to that level of spend is a strategic issue. Do...
Sion Simon | 492 c93-4 (Link to this contribution) As the hon. Gentleman said, one of the key conclusions of the Foster report is that the programme sh...
Sion Simon | 492 c95-6 (Link to this contribution) As ever in this evening's debate, the hon. Gentleman congratulates himself on having extracted from ...
John Hayes | 492 c84 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman attempts to take me down a path that I know you would not want me to go down, Mr....
Sion Simon | 492 c84 (Link to this contribution) The Secretary of State and I have both said in this House more than once that we are sorry for the s...
John Hayes | 492 c84 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that the hon. Gentleman has said that, and I take it in the spirit in which it was of...
John Hayes | 492 c84 (Link to this contribution) I hope that this is going to be both full and extravagant. I happily give way.
John Hayes | 492 c85 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way again until I have made a little progress. As well as that commitment, I hope we...
John Hayes | 492 c84 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that we have extracted both that commitment and—
Sion Simon | 492 c85 (Link to this contribution) Just to be clear, the Government are on the record as saying that no college will be allowed to go b...
John Hayes | 492 c85 (Link to this contribution) We have heard that once already, Mr. Deputy Speaker. What I was actually asking the Minister for was...
Sion Simon | 492 c85 (Link to this contribution) I have to explain to the hon. Gentleman that he has not "extracted" anything, as all this informatio...
John Hayes | 492 c85 (Link to this contribution) We will talk a little bit more about how the Government prioritise funding and how they intend to al...
John Hayes | 492 c85 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to my hon. Friend, but then I really must make some more progress.
Graham Stuart | 492 c86 (Link to this contribution) I am extremely grateful to my hon. Friend and I welcome the Minister's apology to the House today. D...
Speaker | 492 c87 (Link to this contribution) Order. I want to assure the hon. Member not only that I had indeed noticed it, but that I was rather...
John Hayes | 492 c86-7 (Link to this contribution) I cannot really answer that in my all too brief contribution. I know that Members will want me to go...
Stephen Williams | 492 c88-9 (Link to this contribution) I welcome the new clauses that the hon. Member for South Holland and The Deepings (Mr. Hayes) has ju...
John Hayes | 492 c87-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, as ever, for your guidance, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I can assure you that I had notic...
Ed Balls | 492 c74-7 (Link to this contribution) I start by agreeing with the comments of the hon. Member for Crewe and Nantwich (Mr. Timpson), who h...
Graham Stuart | 492 c77 (Link to this contribution) May I take the Secretary of State back to the survey that I conducted recently on social care placem...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c74 (Link to this contribution) I find it astonishing that there was apparently so little information and knowledge. The programme s...
Tim Loughton | 492 c79 (Link to this contribution) Well, I did take rather a lot of interventions from the Secretary of State. He has not answered my q...
Ed Balls | 492 c79 (Link to this contribution) I will take one more intervention from the hon. Gentleman, but we need to move on.
Tim Loughton | 492 c79 (Link to this contribution) Will the Secretary of State give way?
Ed Balls | 492 c79 (Link to this contribution) I have tried very hard to proceed on these matters in a consensual way, and I have consulted the hon...
Tim Loughton | 492 c78 (Link to this contribution) Before the Secretary of State moves on, can he quote for me where Lord Laming says that the primary ...
Ed Balls | 492 c77-8 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether that quite fits into the new clauses and amendments that we are debating, but ...
John Hayes | 492 c81 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move, That the clause be read a Second time.
Speaker | 492 c81 (Link to this contribution) With this it will be convenient to discuss new clause 11—Duty to make an annual report on progress o...
Kelvin Hopkins | 492 c84 (Link to this contribution) There have undoubtedly been problems with the LSC, and the Government are now doing their best to pi...
John Hayes | 492 c83 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a telling point. College building projects are often highly regenerative in the...
Graham Stuart | 492 c83 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend knows of the anger that exists in places such as Hull and Beverley as a result of wha...
John Hayes | 492 c83 (Link to this contribution) I will happily give way to my hon. Friend, who gave such sterling service in Committee.
Philip Hollobone | 492 c83 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend the Member for Bexleyheath and Crayford (Mr. Evennett) visited the Tresham institute ...
John Hayes | 492 c83 (Link to this contribution) I note that barely a day goes by without my hon. Friend representing the interests of Beverley and t...
Tim Loughton | 492 c57-8 (Link to this contribution) The simple answer is no. If the Secretary of State had listened, he would know that I absolutely res...
Ed Balls | 492 c62 (Link to this contribution) Will the hon. Gentleman give way?
Annette Brooke | 492 c69-71 (Link to this contribution) I thank the hon. Lady for her intervention, but it is important to appreciate that the Government's ...
John Hayes | 492 c42 (Link to this contribution) I know that the hon. Lady feels passionately about these subjects, as do I. Would she acknowledge th...
Sion Simon | 492 c93 (Link to this contribution) It is not inconceivable at all. The problems with the colleges were to do with financial management,...
John Hayes | 492 c96 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has done his best to deal both with these new clauses and the crisis that is not entire...
Sion Simon | 492 c84 (Link to this contribution) I must correct the hon. Gentleman again: we have said it clearly on the record for some time that no...
Bob Spink | 492 c38-9;492 c39 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman has just shared with the House his scepticism about local authorities' willingnes...
Rob Marris | 492 c42-3 (Link to this contribution) I refer to new clause 14 and to what, if it is passed, will become section 562B of the Education Act...
John Hayes | 492 c93 (Link to this contribution) So the hon. Gentleman is saying that, in almost all cases, we know the state of college buildings, y...
Ed Balls | 492 c79 (Link to this contribution) As I said, my aim—I think that we can achieve this with hon. Members from most parts of the House, i...
John Hayes | 492 c81-3 (Link to this contribution) It is good to make my first contribution on Report on this important Bill. New clauses 1 and 11 ref...
Sharon Hodgson | 492 c41-2 (Link to this contribution) As hon. Members will know, I spoke on Second Reading and served on the infamous Public Bill Committe...
Graham Stuart | 492 c41 (Link to this contribution) I completely agree with my hon. Friend, and it brings me to my final point, about subsection (4)(c) ...
Tobias Ellwood | 492 c112-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to have caught your eye at the last minute, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I had not intended to ...
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