Health Bill (HL). Lords Report stage first day.
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Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c146-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I declare an interest. I work in two NHS organisations that provide specialised ser...
Earl Howe | 710 c147 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a useful debate. Of course, I understand the point made by the noble Barones...
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Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c147 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 6
6: Clause 2, page 2, line 11, at end insert—
"(h) bodies concerned with the education o...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c145 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is an important amendment. The reason that I think it is important rests on my knowle...
Baroness Murphy | 710 c145-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot help but be sympathetic to the amendment of the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and recogn...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c146 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to provide a contrast by strongly supporting the amendment. It neatly provide...
Baroness Tonge | 710 c146 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, lists always worry me terribly, because when you have completed one you always think of so...
Lord Morris of Manchester | 710 c143-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think it was Aristotle—if not it ought to have been—who said that it is the essence of p...
Earl Howe | 710 c144 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 5
5: Clause 2, page 2, line 6, at end insert—
"( ) specialised commissioning groups;"
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble and learned Lord, and I shall try to clarify the matter. Princi...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c114 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the noble Lord sits down, I wonder why the statement of accountability is not inclu...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c113-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 1 and 16 tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, would place a duty on the Secreta...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c113 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the British Medical Association has said that it has been a vocal supporter of the concept...
Earl Howe | 710 c111-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it falls to me to open today’s proceedings. With this amendment I shall couple Amendment 1...
Earl Howe | 710 c111 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 1: NHS Constitution
Amendment 1
1: Clause 1, page 1, line 13, at end insert—
"( ) In this C...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c135-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments 3, 7 and 8 tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, propose that the same list of b...
Earl Howe | 710 c115 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that statement is certainly in the constitution but the content of the statement of accoun...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c115 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to intervene but perhaps I may again read what principle 7 in the constitution ...
Earl Howe | 710 c115-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving this amendment, I bring us back to an issue that gave rise to a gratifying amoun...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c117-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 2 would mean that the Secretary of State would need to make regulations to addre...
Earl Howe | 710 c133-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 7 and 8. I make no apology for returning to a matter that...
Earl Howe | 710 c133 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 2: Duty to have regard to NHS Constitution
Amendment 3
3: Clause 2, page 2, line 3, at end ...
Earl Howe | 710 c114-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful for the support of the noble Lord, Lord Walton, and for the excellent p...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c140 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I intervene briefly after the powerful speeches made by the noble Lord, Lord Morris, and t...
Baroness Campbell of Surbiton | 710 c139 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted to have the opportunity to speak in support of the amendment tabled by the ...
Lord Morris of Manchester | 710 c136-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want first to thank my noble friend Lady Thornton for doing so much to make it possible ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c142-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also acknowledge the moving speeches made by my noble friend Lord Morris and the noble B...
Baroness Tonge | 710 c141-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, add my support to the spirit of this amendment if not to its actuality—if that is ...
Baroness Wilkins | 710 c141 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support the purpose behind this amendment, as set out by the noble Earl. The es...
Earl Howe | 710 c140-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is not for me to speak on behalf of the noble Lord, Lord Morris of Manchester, but I th...
Earl Howe | 710 c136 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I very much appreciate the Minister's comments and his explanation. I respect his position...
Lord Morris of Manchester | 710 c136 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 4
4: Clause 2, page 2, line 4, at end insert—
"( ) the Advisory Committee on the Treatmen...
Earl Howe | 710 c157 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 9
9: Clause 2, page 2, line 28, at end insert—
"( ) The Secretary of State shall publish ...
Earl Howe | 710 c157-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 9 is designed to take us back to one of the most perplexing aspects of this whol...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c159-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with great respect to my noble friend, this amendment does put a pretty heavy responsibili...
Baroness Barker | 710 c160 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I take the opportunity to support the noble Earl, Lord Howe, and to note, as one always sh...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c156-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as always, I am deeply grateful to the Minister for his comprehensive, thoughtful and help...
Earl Howe | 710 c163 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for considering the points made in Grand Committee by noble Lords on ...
Earl Howe | 710 c162 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to the Minister, the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, and my noble and lear...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c160-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 9 would commit the Secretary of State to publishing guidance on the meaning of t...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c163 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak also to Amendments 11 to 14 and 17. Amendments 10 to 14 propose that the Sec...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c162 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 3: Availability, review and revision of NHS Constitution
Amendment 10
10: Clause 3, page 3,...
Baroness Emerton | 710 c150 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is also on the amendment; I support it, along with the eloquent speech made by my ...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 710 c150-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is also on these amendments, and I would like to speak in their support. I would a...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 710 c148-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friends and I have tabled this amendment for several important reasons. It is tru...
Lord Patel | 710 c149-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my name is attached to Amendments 6 and 34, and I support them both. My noble friend Lord ...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c154-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have heard from many Lords. Again, let me declare an interest. I am a university employ...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c153-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support Amendment 6 and the later amendment, not only in relation to the medica...
Earl Howe | 710 c152-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with these amendments the noble Lord, Lord Walton of Detchant, has once again hit the nail...
Lord Sutherland of Houndwood | 710 c152 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the eloquence of my various colleagues, my noble friends, who have put forward A...
Lord Turnberg | 710 c151-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for not being here at the beginning, but I heard the vast majority of the deba...
Baroness Murphy | 710 c151 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope noble Lords will forgive me if I seem to be turning into a legalistic nit-picker he...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c168 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Earl, Lord Howe, tabled an amendment which we discussed in Grand Committee that ...
Earl Howe | 710 c168 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister again for his consideration of the points that I made in Grand Commit...
Earl Howe | 710 c168 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 19
19: After Clause 7, insert the following new Clause—
"Quality of data
(1) The Health a...
Earl Howe | 710 c168-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we had a useful and wide-ranging debate in Grand Committee about possible ways in which qu...
Baroness Tonge | 710 c170 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment highlights the reservations that I have had all along about quality accounts...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c170-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 19, tabled by the noble Earl, Lord Howe, seeks to give the CQC a role in the dat...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c172 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 8: Regulations under section 6
Amendment 20
20: Clause 8, page 5, line 38, leave out subsec...
Earl Howe | 710 c172 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that was a helpful answer from the Minister and I thank him for it. We would all acknowled...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c172-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving Amendment 20, I shall also speak to Amendments 21, 35, 36 and 37. The Delegated ...
Baroness Masham of Ilton | 710 c164 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the Minister give examples of bodies that might be representing patients? As the commu...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 710 c164 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, thank the Minister for these amendments. They are entirely appropriate and I am gl...
Earl Howe | 710 c165 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 4: Availability, review and revision of Handbook
Amendment 15
15: Clause 4, page 3, line 41...
Baroness Barker | 710 c164 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, thank the Minister for the consideration that he has given to the points made so s...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c164 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to reassure the noble Baroness. The best learning we can get in the NHS is achieved...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c167 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 5: Report on effect of NHS Constitution
Amendment 17
17: Clause 5, page 4, line 3, after "s...
Earl Howe | 710 c167 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his reply and I respect his position. I reworded the ame...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c166-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 15 proposes that, ""the Secretary of State shall consult persons … as in all the...
Earl Howe | 710 c165-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I want to point out a small error in the printing. The amendment should read: ""Before any...
Lord Dubs | 710 c197 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 24
24: Clause 9, page 6, line 36, at end insert—
"(7) Health care provided in accordance ...
Earl Howe | 710 c196 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this has been a useful debate, and I thank the Minister for his reply. His assurances were...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c198 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there may be a small question about what the status of such a person would be in terms of ...
Lord Dubs | 710 c197-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am a member of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, and this amendment stems from some w...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c194-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not entirely sure. I shall be more than happy to come back and say unless my noble fr...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c194 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, which authority was that?
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c196 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not entirely sure what the question is. If it is whether a highly specialised service...
Baroness Barker | 710 c195 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister sits down, does he agree that there are legitimate reasons, other than...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c193-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this set of amendments deals with consent and the services and circumstances in which dire...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c198-200 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment tabled by my noble friend Lord Dubs on behalf of the Joint Committee on Huma...
Earl Howe | 710 c191 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 9: Direct payments for health care
Amendment 23
23: Clause 9, page 6, line 17, after "patie...
Lord Palmer | 710 c176 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Barker, for her support. I listened with great care to wh...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c175 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, has proposed a new clause that seeks to require trusts to jus...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 710 c175 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I understood that it was one of the principles of the National Health Service that service...
Baroness Barker | 710 c174-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the noble Lord, Lord Palmer, was unable to move this amendment in Committee, we did not...
Lord Palmer | 710 c174 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise to the House that I was not able to give this amendment an airing in Committee...
Lord Palmer | 710 c173-4 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 22
22: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause—
"Duty of providers to account for...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c173 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 21
21: Clause 8, page 5, line 41, leave out "Subject to that,"
Amendment 21 agreed.
Earl Howe | 710 c191 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 23, which is designed to address a very straightforward issue, one...
Baroness Barker | 710 c191-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to speak to Amendments 25 and 31 in this group. As this is the first group of amend...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c209 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 30 tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady Barker and Lady Tonge, would create an e...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c208-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be very brief but I think this is quite an important amendment. I did not think it ...
Baroness Barker | 710 c209-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for one of the politest and most thoroughly considered responses that...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c207 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for the recognition he has given to the role of staff in ...
Baroness Barker | 710 c207-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving Amendment 30, I want to turn again, in a slightly different way, to what was the...
Baroness Barker | 710 c207 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 30
30: Clause 9, page 7, line 23, at end insert—
"( ) as to the production every three ye...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c203-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 26, tabled by the noble Baronesses, Lady Barker and Lady Tonge, proposes that th...
Earl Howe | 710 c201-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendment 27 in my name follows on from the remarks made by the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c201 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will speak to Amendment 29, which is grouped with the amendment moved by the noble Baron...
Baroness Barker | 710 c200-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment would insert into Clause 9 something that is omitted from new Section 12B. T...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c206-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment aims to ensure sure that implementation of direct payments for healthcare i...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c205 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 28
28: Clause 9, page 7, line 23, at end insert—
"( ) as to the conditions that must be m...
Baroness Barker | 710 c205 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Campbell-Savours, and the noble Earl, Lord Howe, for their su...
Baroness Barker | 710 c200 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 26
26: Clause 9, page 7, line 16, at end insert—
"( ) as to the mechanisms by which a pat...
Lord Dubs | 710 c200 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend for that explanation. What the Government seek to achieve...
Earl Howe | 710 c144-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in moving this amendment, I realise that I run the risk of crossfire from other noble Lord...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 710 c139-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a difficult speech to make, because I have unutterable respect for both previous s...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c167 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 7: Supplementary provision about the duty
Amendment 18
18: Clause 7, page 5, line 33, at en...
Lord Darzi of Denham | 710 c164-5 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 11 to 14
11: Clause 3, page 3, line 16, at end insert "and bodies or other persons repre...
Lord Campbell-Savours | 710 c205-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we know that the impact that the proposals for direct payments will have on staff is signi...
Earl Howe | 710 c118 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for his reply. He gave only a brief nod to the problem which...
Earl Howe | 710 c115 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 2
2: After Clause 1, insert the following new Clause—
"Core principles
The Secretary of S...
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