Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill (HL). Lords Report stage second day. New clauses (Amendments 42, 43 and 57) debated and agreed to. New clauses (Amendments 45 and 47) debated and withdrawn. Amendment 54 agreed to on division (193 votes to 107). New clauses (Amendments 55B and 56B) agreed to on division (176 votes to 92 and 137 votes to 80). Amendment 55D disagreed to on division (19 votes to 84). Concluded. Bill printed as amended (HL Bill 36 2008-09).
Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill [HL]
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709 c1081-152Session
2008-09Legislative stage
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Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill (HL). As amended on Report.
Wednesday, 1 April 2009
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Wednesday, 1 April 2009
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Borders, Citizenship and Immigration Bill (HL). As amended in Committee.
Tuesday, 10 March 2009
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Tuesday, 10 March 2009
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Proceeding contributions
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1151-2 (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 60 and 61
60: Clause 56, page 46, line 13, leave out ““section”” and insert ““sections (...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in view of the Minister’s track record in successfully resolving some of these issues outs...
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Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
The Schedule
Amendments 64 and 65
64: The Schedule, page 47, line 16, column 2, at beginning inser...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 62A
62A: Clause 56, page 46, line 37, at end insert—
““( ) No order may be made commencin...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1148-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that there is a misunderstanding between the Minister and myself. A few minutes ag...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1149 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 56: Commencement
Amendment 59A
59A: Clause 56, page 46, line 2, at end insert ““except sect...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1149 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 55: Extent
Amendments 58 and 59
58: Clause 55, page 45, line 31, after ““to”” insert—““(a)”...
Lord Brett | 709 c1150-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment would enable Clauses 42, 43 and 44 to commence on the day of Royal Assent r...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1149-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment seeks to bring Clauses 42, 43 and 44 into effect when the Bill receives Roy...
Earl of Listowel | 709 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise to support the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, and—I beg your Lordships’ pardon—to speak ...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1144-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that several other noble Lords would like to take up the Minister’s invitation t...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 57ZB
57ZB: Clause 53, page 44, line 24, leave out ““who are in the United Kingdom””
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1146-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the effect of these amendments is to broaden the scope of the duty so that it applies when...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 709 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my comment is confined to saying that the noble Lord has raised an interesting point. If i...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 709 c1144 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would be happy to meet officials and I hope that such a meeting can be organised. I perf...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1142-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for this amendment, which provides an opportunity to explain more clearly wh...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 709 c1142 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support the amendment. I have seen the report, Does Every Child Matter?, which is ...
Earl of Listowel | 709 c1142 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the noble Lord in terms of Section 9 of the Asylum and Immigration (Treatment of...
Lord Goodhart | 709 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am standing in for my noble friend Lord Thomas of Gresford in his unavoidable absence fr...
Lord Glentoran | 709 c1116 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that careful and determined explanation of where we started from,...
Lord Smith of Clifton | 709 c1118 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 55B
55B: After Clause 48, insert the following new Clause—
““Entry otherwise than by sea ...
Lord Smith of Clifton | 709 c1119 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move Amendment 55B, to which I have spoken, and I wish to test the opinion of the...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 709 c1121-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I move this amendment on the basis of the report from the Joint Committee on Human Rights,...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 709 c1122-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have put my name to this amendment, which I strongly support. The noble Lord, Lord Leste...
Lord Kingsland | 709 c1124-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be moving not Amendments 56 and 56A but rather Amendment 56B in my name and that o...
Lord Pannick | 709 c1127-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments in the names of the noble Lord, Lord Lester, and the noble and le...
Lord Kingsland | 709 c1135-6 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 56B
56B Leave out Clause 52 and insert the following Clause—
““Fresh claim applications
T...
Lord Kingsland | 709 c1136 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with respect to manuscript Amendment 56B, I wish to test the opinion of your Lordships’ Ho...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 709 c1139 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add my congratulations to the noble Lord, Lord West, and to the noble Baroness, Lady Han...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 709 c1139 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 53: Duty regarding the welfare of children
Amendment 57ZA
57ZA: Clause 53, page 44, line 24...
Lord Kirkwood of Kirkhope | 709 c1139-42 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this takes us to Clause 53 and a different part of the Bill. It is an important part. I do...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1137-8 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 57
57: After Clause 52, insert the following new Clause—
““Trafficking people for exploit...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1138 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, human trafficking is an appalling crime and the Government are committed to tackling it an...
Baroness Hanham | 709 c1138-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have much pleasure in putting my name to this amendment. The noble Lord, Lord West, may ...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1139 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I add one word of thanks to the Minister for the amendment and those that go with it. We a...
Lord Cameron of Lochbroom | 709 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to raise a point which I think is important to bear in mind. First, I support the M...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1129 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is another Scottish point that ought to be drawn to your Lordships’ attention. On 19...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 709 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would go for the highest common factor of agreement in the House.
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 709 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I pass on from that to my amendment. I am afraid that I have not been persuaded by the nob...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 709 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 55D
55D: Clause 52, page 44, line 19, at end insert—
““(4) Notwithstanding subsections (1...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 709 c1134 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure whether at the end the noble Lord, Lord Lester, said that he was in favour o...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1133 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, my Lords; I intend to vote against all three amendments and ask that only government Amendment ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 709 c1133-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am very grateful to everyone who has taken part in this extended debate, which has range...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1129-32 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall speak to Amendments 55C, 55D, 56B and 62A.
As noted by the noble Lord, Lord Leste...
Lord Kingsland | 709 c1133 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Lord intend the Government to vote against the amendment of the noble and l...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 709 c1108-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I indicated in Committee some of the difficulties that the noble Lord, Lord West, and the ...
Lord Rowlands | 709 c1107-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as a member of the Constitution Committee, I express two concerns about aspects of the iss...
Lord Cope of Berkeley | 709 c1105-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not suppose that he had seen one before but he accepted it immediately as sufficient ...
Lord Cope of Berkeley | 709 c1105 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I apologise for intervening for the first time in this Bill at Report stage. With r...
Lord Pannick | 709 c1103-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support Amendment 54. The 1969 Royal Commission on the Constitution—the Kilbrandon...
Lord Hylton | 709 c1104-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, one group of people have not been mentioned so far in this discussion. I refer to the very...
Lord Smith of Clifton | 709 c1099-101 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support Amendment 54 and will speak to my two amendments after Clause 48 in the group.
...
Lord Goodlad | 709 c1101-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support Amendment 54. In its report on Part 3 of the Bill, published on 12 March, your L...
Lord Glentoran | 709 c1097-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister and his Bill team for their help and co-operation in attempting to ex...
Lord Glentoran | 709 c1096 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 54
54: Clause 48, leave out Clause 48
Lord Avebury | 709 c1096 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as the Minister said, we are talking about widows of war heroes. We are disagreeing only a...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 709 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the previous amendment was small, this one, in comparison, is tiny. However, it is of e...
Lord Brett | 709 c1094-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, for the record, the Hong Kong (War Wives and Widows) Act came into operation on 18 July 19...
Baroness Hanham | 709 c1096 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is that discretion a commitment on all Home Secretaries that they should exercise a discre...
Lord Brett | 709 c1096 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness has asked a practical question. The ladies concerned have to be 80 year...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 45: Good character requirement
Amendment 49
49: Clause 45, page 38, line 5, after ““3(1)”” ...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 51
51: Clause 45, page 38, line 21, leave out subsection (2)
Lord Avebury | 709 c1093-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we really thought that the Government were getting somewhere with this amendment in Commit...
Baroness Hanham | 709 c1094 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that the Government will be able to accept the amendment. As the noble Lord, Lord A...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 709 c1093 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am encouraged by the Minister’s response. As the noble Baroness, Lady Howe, said, this i...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 709 c1092 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as a keen enthusiast of equal rights, I support this proposed new clause. As has been so c...
Lord Brett | 709 c1092-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank noble Lords for their contributions to the debate. I appreciate the concerns about...
Lord Brett | 709 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in response to the point made by the noble Baroness, the High Court judgment given by Lord...
Lord Bridges | 709 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, briefly, I support what my noble friend Lord Ramsbotham has just said. The issue of the Ch...
Baroness Hanham | 709 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am struggling a little. I had a feeling that there was a court case involving the Chagos...
Lord Ramsbotham | 709 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I asked in Committee whether the feasibility study, which the Foreign Office completed in ...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 709 c1091 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 47
47: After Clause 43, insert the following new Clause—
““Legitimacy
(1) The British Nat...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 709 c1091-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this proposed new clause would affect those born in the United Kingdom after 1983 whose fa...
Lord Brett | 709 c1090 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his question, not because I can provide an answer on the issue ...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1090-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Brett, will realise from the interventions made by the noble Baroness...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1088 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 45
45: After Clause 43, insert the following new Clause—
““The Ilois: citizenship
(1) Sec...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1088-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with this amendment, we return to the situation of the Chagos islanders, who were expelled...
Lord Brett | 709 c1089-90 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened carefully to the debate in Committee, and hear the echoes of that in the commen...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1086 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 43A (to Amendment 43)
43A: Before Clause 43, line 15, at end insert—
““(4) A British Nati...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1086 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are grateful to the Government for this amendment, which, as the Minister explained, so...
Lord Hylton | 709 c1086 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the Government and, indeed, the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, tell us how many people may ...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1087 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have always thought that it was around 1,000, but I believe that the Home Office has es...
Lord Brett | 709 c1087 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I confirm the answer given by the noble Lord, Lord Avebury, to the noble Lord, Lord Hylton...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1087-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, there is a bit of confusion between us, because I am talking not about people who may regi...
Lord Lyell | 709 c1110 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may throw a small pebble into the pool, although I apologise for not being here ...
Baroness Blood | 709 c1109-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for intervening on Report. I should like to make two points in support of the ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 709 c1112 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as someone who has had a house in Ireland for 35 years, perhaps I may correct something th...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1111-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted to note that many noble Lords have intervened for the first time at this st...
Lord Kilclooney | 709 c1112 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does that not make my point that we need stricter controls at airports and seaports such a...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1112 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord is right. In fact I was asked, ““Have you got a passport?””, but I could ha...
Lord West of Spithead | 709 c1112-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are in constant dialogue with the Republic of Ireland authorities about checks and exac...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1082 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 42A (to Amendment 42)
42A: Before Clause 43, line 6, at end insert—
““( ) After subsectio...
Lord Brett | 709 c1081-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am pleased to move the amendment standing in the name of my noble friend following discu...
Lord Brett | 709 c1084 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for his kind remarks; gratitude is the order of the moment, if not ...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1082-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are grateful to the Government for having listened to us on the registration of minors ...
Lord Brett | 709 c1081 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 42
42: Before Clause 43, insert the following new Clause—
““Minors
(1) Section 3 of the B...
Lord Brett | 709 c1085 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 43
43: Before Clause 43, insert the following new Clause—
““British Nationals (Overseas) ...
Lord Avebury | 709 c1085 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am heartened to some extent by what the noble Lord said about exercising discretion wher...
Lord Brett | 709 c1085-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it gives me great pleasure to introduce the Government’s amendments, which were tabled fol...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 709 c1121 (Link to this contribution)
Clause 52: Transfer of immigration or nationality judicial review applications
Amendment 55C
55C: ...
Baroness Hayman | 709 c1135 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have to inform the House that Amendments 56 and 56A have been substituted by manuscript ...
Lord Kilclooney | 709 c1107 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke on this subject some time ago, but not in Committee. I find it interesting to foll...
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