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Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism

Debate on Tuesday, 3 March 2009, in the House of Commons, led by Lord Coaker. The answering member was Crispin Blunt.
Draft Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in force of sections 1 to 9) Order 2009. Debate on a motion to approve. Agreed to on division (271 votes to 89). [Relevant documents: The Fifth Report of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, Session 2008-09,Counter-Terrorism Policy and Human Rights (Fourteenth Report): Annual Renewal of Control Orders Legislation 2009, HC 282.]

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Reference

488 c734-63 

Session

2008-09

Department

Home Office

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in force of sections 1 to 9) Order 2009
Tuesday, 3 February 2009
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Counter-terrorism policy and human rights (fourteenth report): annual renewal of control orders legislation 2009. Human Rights Joint Select Committee fifth report with formal minutes and evidence.
Tuesday, 24 February 2009
Parliamentary committees
House of Lords
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c760 (Link to this contribution) I will be brief, because there is very little time. We have been over the Prevention of Terrorism A...
David Davis | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) Very briefly.

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Gary Streeter | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) Will my right hon. Friend give way?
David Davis | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) That, of course, is the risk, and it brings us to the issue of the size of the problem. When this pi...
Gary Streeter | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) Has my right hon. Friend observed that, according to page 5 of Lord Carlile's excellent report, the ...
David Davis | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) I will give way to the Minister if he wishes to challenge me on that point.
David Davis | 488 c759-60 (Link to this contribution) What it shows, frankly, is that information given to the House at the time when the control order le...
Lord Coaker | 488 c759 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to challenge the right hon. Gentleman on that point, but I should have thought that th...
David Davis | 488 c758-9 (Link to this contribution) If we looked at this issue solely from the point of view of effectiveness against terrorism, it woul...
Andrew Dismore | 488 c758 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for repeating that commitment, as the current system is reminiscent of...
Lord Coaker | 488 c757 (Link to this contribution) Let me assure my hon. Friend that I will ensure that that happens.
David Davis | 488 c753 (Link to this contribution) When I spoke to the head of counter-terrorism at the Department of Justice in the United States, he ...
Chris Huhne | 488 c753 (Link to this contribution) I am afraid that I do not agree with the hon. Gentleman at all. His view of the Human Rights Act is ...
William Cash | 488 c752-3 (Link to this contribution) I am glad to hear the hon. Gentleman talk about fair trials and due process. He may know that that i...
Viscount Hailsham | 488 c755-6 (Link to this contribution) In view of the shortness of this debate, I intend to be much briefer than I would be otherwise. It i...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 488 c754-5 (Link to this contribution) Most hon. Members remember that the legislation was passed immediately before the last general elect...
Chris Huhne | 488 c753-4 (Link to this contribution) I agree with the right hon. Gentleman. Contrary to the point that the Minister made in his speech, L...
Lord Coaker | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) With respect, how does the hon. Gentleman know that? The one in five who has absconded may have gone...
Edward Leigh | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) If one in five people are absconding and not being found, that raises the suspicion that they do not...
Lord Coaker | 488 c735 (Link to this contribution) If anyone absconds or breaches a control order, it is a serious matter, and we do not want to see su...
David Davis | 488 c735 (Link to this contribution) My question is much simpler. The Minister has repeated the argument of the Home Secretary who introd...
Lord Coaker | 488 c734-5 (Link to this contribution) I accept the hon. Gentleman's point and I know that there is no disagreement among any of us about t...
William Cash | 488 c734 (Link to this contribution) The Minister may know that a number of Conservative Members believe that control is essential, but t...
Lord Coaker | 488 c734 (Link to this contribution) I shall give way to the hon. Member for Stone (Mr. Cash) first and subsequently to his right hon. Fr...
Lord Coaker | 488 c734 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move,"That the draft Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in force of sections 1 t...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c740 (Link to this contribution) May I begin by agreeing with the Minister about the nature of the threat and by placing on record ou...
Lord Coaker | 488 c739-40 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will know—and my hon. Friend the Member for Hendon (Mr. Dismore), the Chair of th...
Evan Harris | 488 c739 (Link to this contribution) I have listened carefully to what the Minister has said. He will be aware of the danger of selective...
Lord Coaker | 488 c739 (Link to this contribution) No, there has not. The highest court in the land has upheld the control order regime, reflecting th...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c740 (Link to this contribution) May I place it on the record that I find the orders unsatisfactory? I said that there were so many f...
Lord Coaker | 488 c738-9 (Link to this contribution) Let me say, without commenting on the specifics of the amount of intelligence work that is or is not...
Keith Vaz | 488 c739 (Link to this contribution) Has there been any occasion in the last year when the Home Secretary has had to impose an urgent ord...
Lord Coaker | 488 c738 (Link to this contribution) I think that this should probably be the last time that I give way.
Tobias Ellwood | 488 c738 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister but perhaps if we had more than an hour and a half to debate these imp...
Lord Coaker | 488 c736-7 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that intercept evidence is the subject of the Chilcot review which is curre...
Gordon Prentice | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) The former Home Secretary, the right hon. Member for Airdrie and Shotts (John Reid), mentioned evide...
Lord Coaker | 488 c737 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend makes a point that a number of hon. Members across the House have repeated. Tha...
Frank Dobson | 488 c737 (Link to this contribution) The Coroners and Justice Bill proposes the use of intercept evidence in coroners courts. If intercep...
Lord Coaker | 488 c737 (Link to this contribution) It is the same assessment, to be honest with my hon. Friend, as I make with respect to any anti-terr...
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c737 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has assessed the workings of this legislation. What assessment has he made of the impac...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is absolutely right. It is no coincidence that those who are raising the deficiencies...
Lord Coaker | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) As a former Home Secretary, my right hon. Friend is obviously aware of the gap that we are trying to...
Lord Coaker | 488 c736 (Link to this contribution) I want to make some progress, but of course I will give way to my hon. Friend.
Keith Vaz | 488 c747 (Link to this contribution) Yes, we should. I remember that my hon. Friend always voted against, so for that purpose he was on t...
Keith Vaz | 488 c747 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman is right. It is an artificial debate when the Opposition are dead against everyth...
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c747 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend will recall the many debates that used to be held about the continuation of the...
Edward Leigh | 488 c747 (Link to this contribution) The most devastating intervention in the debate so far has been the right hon. Gentleman's, when he ...
Keith Vaz | 488 c746-7 (Link to this contribution) It is always a pleasure to follow the hon. Member for Reigate (Mr. Blunt), who spoke with such passi...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c746 (Link to this contribution) I hope that my right hon. and learned Friend will forgive me, but there is still an hour for other p...
Viscount Hailsham | 488 c743 (Link to this contribution) Will my hon. Friend also remind the House that the Liberty report makes it plain that a number of th...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c742-3 (Link to this contribution) As the right hon. Gentleman knows, control orders are an unsatisfactory answer. We have to reduce th...
Evan Harris | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) I do not know how the hon. Gentleman can say that it puts any pressure on another country to say, "I...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman's characterisation of the issue is ludicrous and not one for the real world. A on...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) I know of the hon. Gentleman's past commitment to national security and I fully understand that in s...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c741 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is more learned about these matters than I am, but I hope that, once we had repealed ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) Does the hon. Gentleman share my concern that we are in danger of making one-off agreements with cou...
William Cash | 488 c741 (Link to this contribution) Does my hon. Friend agree—I very much agree with him that a proper Bill passed at Westminster would ...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c740-1 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that clarification and for the fact that the right hon. Gentleman thinks the order...
Chris Huhne | 488 c752 (Link to this contribution) I have no doubt that the effect in communities that have suffered from people being held under contr...
David Davis | 488 c751 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry that the ex-Home Secretary is not here, because he did not give the House exactly accurat...
Chris Huhne | 488 c750 (Link to this contribution) I, too, thank Lord Carlile of Berriew for publishing his report in good time for this year's renewal...
Keith Vaz | 488 c750 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way any more; I am sorry to right hon. and hon. Gentlemen, but there is very little ...
Jeremy Corbyn | 488 c752 (Link to this contribution) The hon. Gentleman will have heard my intervention on the Minister. What is his personal assessment ...
Chris Huhne | 488 c751-2 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the right hon. and learned Gentleman for that point. He is absolutely right: the ev...
Viscount Hailsham | 488 c751 (Link to this contribution) It is worse than that. Not only is there not a sufficient evidential basis, but there is no proper a...
Chris Huhne | 488 c751 (Link to this contribution) I am happy to take the point of the right hon. Member for Haltemprice and Howden (David Davis); he i...
Lord Coaker | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) Let me put this on the record. It is seven out of 38, which is the figure that was mentioned, but I ...
Keith Vaz | 488 c750 (Link to this contribution) We are very pleased with that announcement— not that people have absconded but that no one has done ...
Robert Marshall-Andrews | 488 c747-8 (Link to this contribution) I am interested in the example that my right hon. Friend gave about the atrocity that took place in ...
Keith Vaz | 488 c748-9 (Link to this contribution) That is a correct analysis of what the courts can do in those circumstances. I have three quick poi...
Viscount Hailsham | 488 c748 (Link to this contribution) Will the right hon. Gentleman remind the House that in respect of non-derogating orders the power of...
Keith Vaz | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) I cannot, but the hon. Gentleman has a distinguished record of association with the intelligence ser...
Keith Vaz | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) I say to the right hon. Gentleman—[Hon. Members: "Friend!"] I should say "my right hon. Friend"—a cl...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I can help both the hon. Member for Newark (Patrick Mercer) and my right hon. Friend the Mem...
Andrew Dismore | 488 c756-7 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to my Committee's report—the 14th to be published in this Parliament on counter-terr...
Lord Coaker | 488 c735 (Link to this contribution) I will give way shortly, but we have only an hour and a half, and a number of Members wish to speak....
Crispin Blunt | 488 c743-6 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. and learned Friend naturally anticipates the point that I am about to make. However, l...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c742 (Link to this contribution) I agree that we need to put pressure on countries to stop torture. Indeed, many of the countries wit...
Crispin Blunt | 488 c741 (Link to this contribution) If the former Home Secretary will allow me, I shall make some progress. The sunset clause was the m...
Lord Reid of Cardowan | 488 c750 (Link to this contribution) It is my job to be helpful today, Mr. Deputy Speaker. One of the reasons, of course, is that people ...
Keith Vaz | 488 c748 (Link to this contribution) I do not know which group was responsible for that terrorist attack, but I was using it as an exampl...
Patrick Mercer | 488 c749 (Link to this contribution) Can the right hon. Gentleman understand why the important process of allowing intercept evidence to ...

Subjects

Crime prevention
Detainees
Human rights
Pre-trial procedures
Terrorism
Surveillance
Security
Anti-terrorism control orders

Legislation

Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 (Continuance in force of sections 1 to 9) Order 2009

Link

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