Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill [HL]
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2008-09Legislative stage
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Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL). Explanatory Notes HL Bill 2-EN also published.
Thursday, 4 December 2008
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House of Lords
Thursday, 4 December 2008
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Greaves | 707 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 172AB
172AB: Clause 66, page 45, line 33, at end insert—
““( ) Section 100 of the Local G...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c310-2GC (Link to this contribution)
I know how strongly the noble Baroness feels about these amendments, and based on her experience, I ...
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Lord Hanningfield | 707 c295-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I, too, thank the noble Baroness for that very full answer. I accept that any Government must have a...
Lord Greaves | 707 c298GC (Link to this contribution)
The Minister’s last comments were to an amendment that I thought I was talking to about an hour and ...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 707 c267GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 64 sets out—
Baroness Andrews | 707 c280GC (Link to this contribution)
It is a contradiction in terms Those arrangements can be driven only by the regions and the sub-regi...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c278GC (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps I should ask a question first, because we are going to have a long discussion on regional st...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c251GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 63: Local authority economic assessment
Amendment 160D
160D: Clause 63, page 42, line 8, le...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c309-10GC (Link to this contribution)
As my noble friend said, Amendment 173B is grouped with Amendment 172AB. He said that he would say w...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 707 c312GC (Link to this contribution)
This may a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn.
Lord Greaves | 707 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
I am going to withdraw Amendment 168C, although I should like to be satisfied that leaders’ boards w...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c299-302GC (Link to this contribution)
This is an important group of amendments. I know that noble Lords have raised these issues because t...
Lord Best | 707 c283-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 166A, 175A and 176A are in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Whitaker. Unfortunately, ...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c287-94GC (Link to this contribution)
The snow brought many blessings, but clearly it brought its downsides as well. I am sorry that the n...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c296GC (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely. Obviously a huge amount of work has gone into the regional spatial strategies in determi...
Lord Best | 707 c296GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for her comments on housing strategy. I was not entirely sure whether the inter...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c273GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 165ZC would insert a new clause that would amend the Sustainable Communities Act, albeit o...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 707 c269-71GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord rightly points out that it is our intention to replace the LSC. Under our proposals, ...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 707 c268-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 64 sets out a list of partner authorities in respect of the local authority economic assessme...
Lord Greaves | 707 c264-5GC (Link to this contribution)
On my first amendment, the Minister said that we can leave it to the county and district councils to...
Lord Tope | 707 c262GC (Link to this contribution)
I rise in support of Amendments Nos. 162 and 163. As the noble Lord, Lord Hanningfield, said, they a...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c278-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Could the Minister think about how it will have to be different? The old county structure plan actua...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c279GC (Link to this contribution)
Very briefly, certainly local government has evolved, but not even Essex is sufficient unto itself.
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c279GC (Link to this contribution)
That is why I very much support MAAs. I hate taking Essex as an example all the time, but it must wo...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c279-80GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall reply very briefly; we will have a debate that is far too long in a moment. On the Liberal B...
Lord Greaves | 707 c280GC (Link to this contribution)
I am not challenging the need for sub-regional arrangements at all; I am challenging the top-down, a...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c277-8GC (Link to this contribution)
I appreciate the confusion over groupings. We are handling some complex groupings in this part of th...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c277GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall give the noble Lord the answer that I would have given. This is the proposition that the lea...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c251-2GC (Link to this contribution)
In moving Amendment 160D, I shall speak to my other amendments in this group. In presenting the amen...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c259GC (Link to this contribution)
I should like to ask two questions, having drawn a number of conclusions; namely, that there is to b...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c261GC (Link to this contribution)
Light-touch legislation as well as light-touch guidance.
Lord Greaves | 707 c309GC (Link to this contribution)
The second amendment in this group is Amendment 173B. It is in the name of my noble friend Lady Hamw...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c312GC (Link to this contribution)
The Minister used the phrases, ““open, inclusive and appropriate”” and ““inclusive and transparent””...
Lord Greaves | 707 c312GC (Link to this contribution)
I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Amendment 172AB withdrawn.
Clause 66 agreed.
Clause 67 : R...
Lord Tope | 707 c302-3GC (Link to this contribution)
I am once again grateful to the Minister for her full reply, but she has not managed to reassure me ...
Lord Greaves | 707 c303GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 66: Leaders' Boards
Amendment 168C
168C: Clause 66, page 45, line 7, leave out ““must”” and...
Lord Greaves | 707 c303-4GC (Link to this contribution)
In this bumper bundle group I shall speak to Amendments 168E to 168G, 170A to 170E, 172AA, Clause 68...
Lord Greaves | 707 c304-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that the noble Lord, Lord Smith of Leigh, is going to fund it out of his personal inc...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c305GC (Link to this contribution)
I have several amendments in this group, including Amendments 169 to 171, 182A and 182B. I do not wa...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c305-6GC (Link to this contribution)
We have two amendments in this group: Amendments 169ZA and 169B. The first follows on from points ma...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c283GC (Link to this contribution)
We have Amendments 166ZA and 166ZB in this group. I agree with all that the noble Baroness, Lady Ham...
Lord Greaves | 707 c296-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I hope that this group will take a bit less time. I shall also speak to Amendments 168B and 177C in ...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c272GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 165ZC
165ZC: After Clause 64, insert the following new Clause—
““Sustainable Communities ...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c273GC (Link to this contribution)
I support the noble Baroness, because I think that we all hoped for a lot from the Sustainable Commu...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c269GC (Link to this contribution)
The LSC is about to be abolished.
Lord Tope | 707 c272GC (Link to this contribution)
Following what my noble friend said about local strategic partners, if I remember rightly, when we c...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c266-7GC (Link to this contribution)
I support those amendments. We have some amendments in this group, too. I endorse everything that th...
Lord Greaves | 707 c262-3GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendments 163A and 163B are also in this group, referring to the involvement of district councils i...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c278GC (Link to this contribution)
I hope that the noble Lord will forgive me if I answer his absolutely pertinent question in the cont...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c275-6GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak also to Amendment 165B. We have talked a lot about consultation on economic strategy, ...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c275GC (Link to this contribution)
I will not attempt to extend the discussion on this, but it will be useful for those outside the Com...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c277GC (Link to this contribution)
I apologise. I was confused by the last-minute changes in groupings. However, what the noble Lord sa...
Lord Greaves | 707 c253-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I very much go along with what the two previous speakers have said. I have tabled Amendment 160G in ...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c252-3GC (Link to this contribution)
We on these Benches have three amendments in this group. I do not want to detain the Committee by ma...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c260-1GC (Link to this contribution)
The noble Lord mentioned guidance far too much. Every other word was about guidance, which is what w...
Lord Greaves | 707 c260GC (Link to this contribution)
The Minister referred to the policy statement, which, in my view, is full of top-down rules and regu...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c306-9GC (Link to this contribution)
This is an important group of amendments to which I shall try to do justice. The amendments fall int...
Lord Greaves | 707 c284-7GC (Link to this contribution)
This is a large and important group of amendments and is one of the two groups that are the meat of ...
Lord Greaves | 707 c294-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for that long and detailed reply. We shall have to read carefully what...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c296GC (Link to this contribution)
I, too, am grateful to the Minister for that long and detailed response. I have made quite a lot of ...
Lord Greaves | 707 c296GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 166ZC
166ZC: Clause 65, page 44, line 25, leave out subsection (3)
Lord Tope | 707 c298GC (Link to this contribution)
I shall speak also to Amendments 166D, 167A and 167B, 168A, 175ZA, 177D, 179A, 180D and 180E. I shal...
Lord Tope | 707 c298GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 166C
166C: Clause 65, page 44, line 34, leave out ““so much of””
Baroness Andrews | 707 c297-8GC (Link to this contribution)
In the interests of speed, perhaps the noble Lord will allow me to read Hansard in detail tomorrow. ...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c299GC (Link to this contribution)
We have two amendments in this group: Amendments 167 and 168. They are on very similar lines to thos...
Lord Tope | 707 c298-9GC (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry to disappoint the noble Lord, Lord Graham of Edmonton. If he wants me to, I shall be more...
Lord Greaves | 707 c271GC (Link to this contribution)
I have one brief comment to make about LSPs. The Government need to sort out their status in a sensi...
Lord Greaves | 707 c267-8GC (Link to this contribution)
Members of the Committee will excuse me for the fact that I was dreaming of better things than being...
Lord Tope | 707 c265-6GC (Link to this contribution)
In moving this amendment I shall speak also to Amendments 162AA, 164A, 164B and 165ZA. This large gr...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c265GC (Link to this contribution)
I thank the Minister for his reply. I tend to agree with much of what the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, ...
Lord Tope | 707 c265GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 162ZA
162ZA: Clause 63, page 42, line 22, leave out ““must”” and insert ““may””
Lord Patel of Bradford | 707 c263-4GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 162 would have the effect of making non-unitary district councils principal local authorit...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c261GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 162
162: Clause 63, page 42, line 17, leave out ““, other than a non-unitary district cou...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c261-2GC (Link to this contribution)
This is a simple amendment which follows on from some of the previous discussion and which has been ...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c280-2GC (Link to this contribution)
In moving Amendment 165C, I shall speak also to Amendments 165E, 166B, 177F, 182ZA, 182ZB and 182ZC ...
Baroness Hamwee | 707 c280GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment 165C
165C: Clause 65, page 44, line 22, at end insert—
““( ) policies in relation to the ...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c280GC (Link to this contribution)
We had a bit of a debate there. As I said, I very much supported the government initiative for a sub...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c279GC (Link to this contribution)
I know that this is a shocking thing to say; perhaps it should not even be reported. The point is th...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c275GC (Link to this contribution)
Clause 65: Regional strategy
Amendment 165A
165A: Clause 65, page 44, line 21, at end insert ““to ...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c273-5GC (Link to this contribution)
I am very happy to do that and to answer both questions asked by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, be...
Baroness Andrews | 707 c276GC (Link to this contribution)
This is the first debate on the implications of the regional structures, but I will save my longer c...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c277GC (Link to this contribution)
I would be grateful if you would speak to it.
Lord Patel of Bradford | 707 c255-9GC (Link to this contribution)
Amendment No. 160D, in the name of the noble Baroness, Lady Warsi, but introduced by the noble Lord,...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 707 c261GC (Link to this contribution)
One of the key issues here was mentioned by the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee—namely, whether this pro...
Lord Hanningfield | 707 c261GC (Link to this contribution)
This is the first of a series of debates on this issue. I hope that we can persuade the Government t...
Baroness Harris of Richmond | 707 c251GC (Link to this contribution)
If there is a Division in the Chamber while we are sitting, the Committee will adjourn as soon as th...
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