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Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Monday, 19 January 2009, in the House of Lords.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

706 c49-106GC 

Session

2008-09

Department

Department for Communities and Local Government

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL). Explanatory Notes HL Bill 2-EN also published.
Thursday, 4 December 2008
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Lord Graham of Edmonton | 706 c97GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord always has my respect for his defence and promotion of all things Welsh, but can he c...
Lord Greaves | 706 c97GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Graham, does not seem to understand what devolution is all about. We may think ...

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Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 706 c96GC (Link to this contribution) The amendments in this group discuss the place of Wales in the Bill. Why is it essential that Wales ...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 706 c77-8GC (Link to this contribution) I shall make a very brief intervention based on the last two speeches. I recognise the complication ...
Lord Greaves | 706 c86-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that reply. I think I have the answer to my basic question, but I ...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 706 c84-6GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Greaves, rightly pointed out that Clause 1(2) focuses on the council’s role so ...
Baroness Warsi | 706 c49GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 1 1: Clause 1, page 1, line 7, leave out ““has a duty to promote”” and insert ““must have...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 706 c95-6GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness, Lady Maddock, for moving the amendment. With Amendment 12, noble Lords a...
Baroness Maddock | 706 c94GC (Link to this contribution) In the absence of both my noble friends, I shall move the amendment standing in their name and speak...
Baroness Maddock | 706 c94GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 12 12: Clause 1, page 2, line 7, at end insert— ““(ba) the Greater London Authority;””
Baroness Andrews | 706 c92-3GC (Link to this contribution) Indeed I remember this debate on previous legislation. The noble Lord, as a champion of district cou...
Lord Greaves | 706 c92GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 10 10: Clause 1, page 2, line 6, leave out ““or district””
Lord Greaves | 706 c105-6GC (Link to this contribution) That was all very interesting and, I am afraid, confirms in me my view that this is all a shambles. ...
Lord Greaves | 706 c100GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 14 14: Clause 1, page 2, line 13, leave out ““means”” and insert ““includes””
Baroness Andrews | 706 c103-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords for contributing to this debate. It is important that we understand the...
Lord Tope | 706 c84GC (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed to hear the response from the noble Baroness. My noble friend made it very clear t...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c78-80GC (Link to this contribution) We have touched on a fertile seam about partnerships, which will return in later groups—for example,...
Lord Greaves | 706 c82GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 8 8: Clause 1, page 2, line 3, at end insert— ““( ) The information provided under subsec...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 706 c81GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Grand Committee to adjourn for 10 minutes. Sitting suspende...
Lord Low of Dalston | 706 c87-9GC (Link to this contribution) I also speak to Amendments 30 and 73. Through these amendments I seek to specify that the duty in Cl...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 706 c90-1GC (Link to this contribution) I fully concur with the spirit of the amendments tabled by the noble Lord, Lord Low. As always, he p...
Baroness Warsi | 706 c89GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendment moved by the noble Lord, Lord Low. He has worked tirelessly in this area, an...
Baroness Maddock | 706 c61GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister is emphasising that the Government are not going to be overprescriptive, yet later we c...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c61-5GC (Link to this contribution) When we come to that clause, we will discuss the nature of that guidance, what might go into it, why...
Lord Smith of Leigh | 706 c56-7GC (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as a councillor for a mere 31 years. I also sit on various regional and sub-re...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 706 c55-6GC (Link to this contribution) People declare their interests in speaking to these matters. I speak as yesterday’s man. My active t...
Lord Greaves | 706 c54GC (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Lord comment on an interesting situation? The amount of involvement by people in loca...
Lord Borrie | 706 c53-4GC (Link to this contribution) I would like to follow the last few comments in which a question was asked of the noble Lord, Lord G...
Baroness Warsi | 706 c49-50GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendments 22, 59 and 60. The first group of amendments removes the duty on lo...
Lord Greaves | 706 c74-5GC (Link to this contribution) I have two main points. Early in her reply, whether to my amendments or not, the Minister said that ...
Lord Tope | 706 c67GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 7 in my name. If Clause 1 is to be in the Bill, there is a striking ...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c65GC (Link to this contribution) It is new territory to put it in legislation in this form; it is clearly not new territory in the li...
Lord Tope | 706 c65-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for what she herself said was a full, but helpful, reply. First, I res...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c72-3GC (Link to this contribution) I must confess that as soon as I heard myself saying that, I realised that it was a very bad example...
Lord Greaves | 706 c99GC (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend replies on the substantive matters, perhaps I may say how fascinated I was by...
Baroness Maddock | 706 c96GC (Link to this contribution) I thank for Minister for his explanation. I am afraid that he has not really convinced me and I am n...
Baroness Warsi | 706 c94GC (Link to this contribution) I am interested to hear why the Greater London Authority is to be treated as a connected authority f...
Lord Greaves | 706 c93GC (Link to this contribution) I am sure that a lot of things we argue about here, and a lot of things that the Government dig thei...
Lord Borrie | 706 c93GC (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord withdraws the amendment, I should say—because I so often feel that I disagree ...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 706 c106GC (Link to this contribution) This may be a convenient moment for the Committee to adjourn until Wednesday at 3.45 pm.
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 706 c99-100GC (Link to this contribution) What we have here is an echo of the old ““England knows best””. It is going back to colonial rule. I...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c99GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord will know that the configuration of local government in Wales and England is differen...
Lord Borrie | 706 c103GC (Link to this contribution) To my surprise, I find myself in agreement with quite a lot of what the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, sa...
Lord Greaves | 706 c100-2GC (Link to this contribution) This is a more substantive group than the last one I spoke to. In moving Amendment 14, I will speak ...
Baroness Warsi | 706 c102GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Greaves, has probed the meaning of ““local people”” quite extensively with thes...
Baroness Warsi | 706 c83-4GC (Link to this contribution) I understand why the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, has suggested the amendment. It is quite plain that a...
Lord Greaves | 706 c82-3GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 8 is partly probing and partly in order to make an important point and to bring some of th...
Lord Low of Dalston | 706 c87GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 9 9: Clause 1, page 2, line 3, at end insert— ““( ) The duty under subsection (1) include...
Lord Patel of Bradford | 706 c92GC (Link to this contribution) We would be very happy to meet with the noble Lord, Lord Low, before the Report stage.
Lord Low of Dalston | 706 c91-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that reply and to the noble Baronesses who have spoken in support ...
Baroness Maddock | 706 c89-90GC (Link to this contribution) I, too, wish to support the amendments, not only because I agree with them in principle, but because...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c61GC (Link to this contribution) I do not think that undermines my point because the Bill addresses the relationships and the flow of...
Lord Tope | 706 c56GC (Link to this contribution) I have been on my council for 35 years.
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 706 c57-8GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot match the distinguished lengths of service of other Members of the Committee, but I served ...
Lord Best | 706 c59GC (Link to this contribution) I declare my interest as president of the Local Government Association. It may be worth reminding ou...
Lord Borrie | 706 c54-5GC (Link to this contribution) I now understand better what the noble Lord is saying. If he is saying that there are now many more ...
Lord Woolmer of Leeds | 706 c53GC (Link to this contribution) In introducing his remarks, the noble Lord said that he supported the amendments in the name of the ...
Lord Greaves | 706 c51-3GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak to the Conservative amendments in this group. I am likely to support them. Since this ...
Lord Tope | 706 c50-1GC (Link to this contribution) I start with two declarations: first, to pass on the apologies of my noble friend Lady Hamwee, who u...
Lord Greaves | 706 c54GC (Link to this contribution) The number of local initiatives that councils carry out nowadays—to hold meetings and set up forums ...
Lord Borrie | 706 c54GC (Link to this contribution) I find it difficult to believe what the noble Lord said. I dare say that if you choose two particula...
Lord Greaves | 706 c76GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 5 5: Clause 1, page 1, line 10, at end insert— ““(ba) the democratic and decision-making ...
Lord Brooke of Sutton Mandeville | 706 c73GC (Link to this contribution) I listened with care to what the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, said—I enjoyed his example about snow cle...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c70-1GC (Link to this contribution) Again, this has been a very important debate and one with which I have a great deal of sympathy. May...
Baroness Warsi | 706 c69GC (Link to this contribution) I have one amendment in this group, Amendment 25, by which I simply seek to build on my earlier comm...
Lord Greaves | 706 c71-2GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry, but that is exactly the kind of decision that gets people most worked up. In the previou...
Lord Greaves | 706 c67-9GC (Link to this contribution) Apart from Amendment 77, which is slightly different, I have Amendments 4, 6, 13, 26 and 28 in this ...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c97-9GC (Link to this contribution) It is a great pleasure to have the opportunity to debate the devolution settlement with the noble Lo...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 706 c96-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am glad that others agree with me. The National Assembly for Wales should be given the chance to l...
Lord Roberts of Llandudno | 706 c96GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 12A 12A: Clause 1, page 2, line 10, leave out paragraph (d)
Lord Greaves | 706 c93GC (Link to this contribution) In a couple of groups’ time, we shall try to remove those references to Welsh authorities in these a...
Lord Greaves | 706 c92GC (Link to this contribution) I shall speak also to Amendment 11. This is not a major issue of principle in the Bill. It removes, ...
Viscount Simon | 706 c106GC (Link to this contribution) The Committee stands adjourned until Wednesday 21 January at 3.45 pm.
Lord Smith of Leigh | 706 c77GC (Link to this contribution) The first partnership that I got involved with in my career was the City Challenge Board, which the ...
Lord Greaves | 706 c77GC (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether I could just reply. The amendments refer specifically to a body which includes the ...
Lord Greaves | 706 c80-1GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for that long reply. I am not sure I understood it all. I shall read i...
Lord Low of Dalston | 706 c92GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that. For now, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment 9 withdraw...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 706 c56GC (Link to this contribution) Some people have sat on a council for so long that, if they do not resent it, they do not like the c...
Baroness Andrews | 706 c59-60GC (Link to this contribution) That was an excellent start to our discussions on the Bill. I welcome a new cast in the shape of the...
Lord Greaves | 706 c61GC (Link to this contribution) I did not say that. I said that I cannot draw a map of the system of local governance. I can draw a ...
Baroness Maddock | 706 c55GC (Link to this contribution) I declare a couple of interests: first, I am a borough councillor in Berwick-upon-Tweed, which is un...
Lord Greaves | 706 c53GC (Link to this contribution) Those who tabled the amendments will speak for themselves, but my view is that both are based on the...
Lord Geddes | 706 c49GC (Link to this contribution) I must advise the Committee that if there is a Division in the Chamber while the Committee is sittin...
Lord Greaves | 706 c76-7GC (Link to this contribution) This amendment focuses for the first time in this Committee on local partnerships, which are extreme...
Lord Tope | 706 c75-6GC (Link to this contribution) I am pleased that the Minister has recognised, albeit slightly too late for her own good, the huge p...
Lord Tope | 706 c67GC (Link to this contribution) Amendment 3 3: Clause 1, page 1, line 8, at end insert— ““( ) the duty of members of the authority ...
Baroness Warsi | 706 c66-7GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for her detailed response. It has been an extremely informative start. We heard...

Subjects

Disability
Devolved matters
Accountability
Councillors
Candidates
Devolution
Community councils
County councils
Elections
Eligibility
Greater London
Information
Greater London Authority
District councils
Local government
Political parties
Publicity
Public participation
Parish and town councils
Visual impairment
Wales
Local strategic partnerships
Petitions

Legislation

Local Democracy, Economic Development and Construction Bill (HL) 2008-09

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