Pensions Bill. Consent of the Queen signified. Lords third reading debate. Agreed to on question. Bill passed and returned to the Commons with amendments.
Pensions Bill
Debate on bills on Wednesday, 19 November 2008,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord McKenzie of Luton.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
705 c1139-62 Session
2007-08Legislative stage
Third readingChamber / Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 705 c1139-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have it in command from Her Majesty the Queen to acquaint the House that Her Majesty, ha...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1140-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 1:
1: Clause 8, page 6, line 1, at end insert ““or in respect””
The noble Lor...
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Lord Skelmersdale | 705 c1141 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, silence breeds consent.
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1140 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is helpful, but it would help us if the noble Baroness were to explain the reason for...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1162 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill do now pass. Although I would like to say a few words to refl...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1162 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply and for confirming that there is currently no intentio...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1161-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, indeed, it was.
There is nothing sinister about this. The issue is a serious one; we are ...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1161 (Link to this contribution)
Was the TUC there?
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1161 (Link to this contribution)
Indeed, my Lords—a nice summary. But I shall resist trying to give a definition as to when an inform...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1161 (Link to this contribution)
In other words, my Lords, the usual suspects.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1161 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on the number of bodies being informally consulted, I think that the interests around the ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 27 to 29:
27: Clause 133, page 68, line 29, leave out ““prescribed condition...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 24 to 26:
24: Clause 132, page 67, line 4, leave out ““prescribed conditions...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1152-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 21:
21: After Clause 124, insert the following new Clause—
““Review of the ini...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1153 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this allows what seems to be a reasonable time to elapse before the review is carried out,...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 19:
19: Clause 80, page 41, line 35, leave out from first ““conditions”” to en...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 20:
20: Clause 97, page 50, line 9, at end insert ““or (where section 9 applie...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1155-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 22:
22: Clause 130, page 66, line 17, leave out from ““functions),”” to end of...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 23:
23: Clause 130, page 66, line 22, at end insert—
““(4) Subsections (2) to ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1154-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Baroness for tabling the amendment and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Oake...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1161 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that assurance. However, it makes me wonder when a consultation i...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 30 and 31:
30: Clause 140, page 74, line 19, after ““17(1)(c),”” insert ““(S...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1157 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 32:
32: Clause 146, page 76, line 22, leave out paragraphs (g) and (h) and ins...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 705 c1157-8 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 33:
33: Schedule 1, page 78, line 11, at end insert—
““(1A) Subject to sub-par...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1158 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Government for bringing this back to respond to an issue that we rais...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1158 (Link to this contribution)
So am I, my Lords.
On Question, amendment agreed to.
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1158 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 34 and 35:
34: Schedule 1, page 84, line 8, after ““may”” insert ““, with th...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1158-60 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 36:
36: Schedule 9, page 131, line 26, at end insert—
““3A In section 90(3) (r...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1160 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, has been more resourceful than I have, as I have not yet ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1160-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not sure that our discussion would go in this direction, but I am happy to try to de...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1147-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, taking it on trust that the effect of the amendments is what the noble Lord says, we have ...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1147 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 10:
10: Clause 66, page 36, line 24, leave out ““powers conferred by subsectio...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 6:
6: Clause 37, page 18, line 44, after ““pay”” insert ““on behalf or””
On Q...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1145-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to both noble Lords for their support for the thrust of this amendment. I am...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1146 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that reply and I shall not prolong the debate. We share the same ...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1143-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 4, Amendment No. 5:
5: After Clause 27, line 10, leave out...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1141 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 2 and 3:
2: Clause 22, page 11, line 12, leave out ““such persons”” and inse...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1142-3 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 4:
4: After Clause 27, insert the following new Clause—
““Sections 20, 24 and ...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are happy with the amendments.
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for bringing forward these amendments, and in particular for clarifyi...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1152 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful for that support. I note that the noble Baroness has not changed her positio...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 705 c1149-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I obviously welcome this amendment. I, too, am puzzled at the use of the word ““must”” rat...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1150 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall, rather than must, speak on this amendment, which we on these Benches support, as ...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 705 c1150-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Skelmersdale, for counting the ““musts””. Apparently we are a...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1151 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 18:
18: Clause 80, page 41, line 31, after ““may”” insert ““, with the consent...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1148 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 11 to 15:
11: Clause 67, page 37, line 2, after ““order”” insert ““under sec...
Lord Tunnicliffe | 705 c1148-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 16:
16: After Clause 72, insert the following new Clause—
““Review
(1) The Sec...
Lord Skelmersdale | 705 c1149 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I must first express my gratitude to Ministers for accepting that it would be right to put...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1145 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, inevitably we cannot be sure how this will work in practice, but it seems to us on these B...
Lord McKenzie of Luton | 705 c1147 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 7 to 9:
7: Clause 60, page 33, line 5, leave out ““qualifying scheme”” and i...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 705 c1140 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the subject of the amendment has already been dealt with on the Floor of the House twice a...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 705 c1141 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are generally happier with these amendments today. The way in which the Minister and th...
Baroness Noakes | 705 c1155 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his response.
On Question, amendment agreed to.
Clause 130 [Del...
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