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Bournemouth Borough Council Bill [Lords]

Debate on bills on Wednesday, 29 October 2008, in the House of Commons, led by Tobias Ellwood.
Bournemouth Borough Council Bill (HL). Second reading debate. Motion that the question be now put agreed to on division (245 to 15). Main question agreed to on division (228 to 14) and Bill committed.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

481 c972-88 

Session

2007-08

Legislative stage

Second reading

Chamber / Committee

House of Commons chamber

Related items

Bournemouth Borough Council Bill (HL). Petition deposited by Sharpe Pritchard (vote)
Monday, 27 November 2006
Bills
House of Commons

Proceeding contributions

Tobias Ellwood | 481 c972 (Link to this contribution) I congratulate Members from the Manchester area on their success. I hope it gives an indication of t...
Tobias Ellwood | 481 c972 (Link to this contribution) I will give way once.

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Tobias Ellwood | 481 c972 (Link to this contribution) I urge my hon. Friend to read the Hansard of the debate in June 2008. He will then understand why th...
Peter Bone | 481 c972 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for his generosity, but is he not making a case for national legisla...
Tobias Ellwood | 481 c973 (Link to this contribution) In that case, I will not call for a Division immediately.
Tobias Ellwood | 481 c973 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend makes a valid point, and explains exactly why we are here today. Perhaps he can indic...
Christopher Chope | 481 c973 (Link to this contribution) Can my hon. Friend explain how Bournemouth is proposing to implement the undertaking given in the Ho...
John Butterfill | 481 c973 (Link to this contribution) That would be fine if we had unlimited policemen who were able to devote all their time to monitorin...
Peter Bone | 481 c973 (Link to this contribution) I think that my hon. Friend's argument is about enforcement, not legislation. In the previous debate...
John Butterfill | 481 c972-3 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is aware, of course, that when the Bournemouth Borough Council Bill was debated in th...
Tobias Ellwood | 481 c972 (Link to this contribution) I give way to my hon. Friend and neighbour.
Christopher Chope | 481 c975-6 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend asserts, contrary to established case law and statute law, that that is what a pedlar...
Christopher Chope | 481 c974-5 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend is right. Nobody will want to take out a street trader's licence to sell balloo...
Greg Knight | 481 c974 (Link to this contribution) An earlier intervention stated that the need for the Bill was shown by the fact that Bournemouth bor...
Christopher Chope | 481 c975 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, the Bill would not prevent a person in Bournemouth from going from door to door—...
Peter Bone | 481 c975 (Link to this contribution) In deciding my position on this Bill, I want to clarify whether it would stop a pedlar from going do...
Christopher Chope | 481 c974 (Link to this contribution) That was a very succinct response to an important question that I put on behalf of pedlars in genera...
John Butterfill | 481 c974 (Link to this contribution) Yes, I certainly can. If pedlars behave as the Act that governs them demands, they will not have any...
Christopher Chope | 481 c974 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend is engaged in a circular argument. Of course, the whole essence of the issue is that ...
John Butterfill | 481 c974 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend will know that the original Act envisages that pedlars would walk, carrying their war...
Christopher Chope | 481 c977-8 (Link to this contribution) I do not want to be tempted into straying out of order, so I will not comment on my hon. Friend's po...
Speaker | 481 c977 (Link to this contribution) Order. I counsel the hon. Gentleman that he is in danger of trying to broaden the debate rather more...
Peter Bone | 481 c977 (Link to this contribution) I am struggling with the fact that Manchester, which we have just debated, is totally different from...
Christopher Chope | 481 c977 (Link to this contribution) I shall do my best to achieve that objective and walk the tightrope, which is a good description of ...
Speaker | 481 c977 (Link to this contribution) I cannot accept that at this stage. I was listening to the hon. Member for Christchurch (Mr. Chope),...
Tobias Ellwood | 481 c977 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am worried that we are beginning to redevelop some of the...
Christopher Chope | 481 c977 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, for your comments. My understanding from the earlier rulin...
Speaker | 481 c976 (Link to this contribution) Order. I say to the hon. Gentleman and the House that there should be recognition of the fact that i...
Greg Knight | 481 c976 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure that I understand where my hon. Friend is going. Is he saying that the Bill is unneces...
Speaker | 481 c978 (Link to this contribution) That is not strictly a point of order, as I think the right hon. Lady probably knows in her heart of...
Christopher Chope | 481 c978 (Link to this contribution) I am trying my level best to do so, Mr. Deputy Speaker, but all these points of order, spurious or o...
Speaker | 481 c978 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that there is not a single hon. Member in the House who believes that for a moment.
Christopher Chope | 481 c978-9 (Link to this contribution) As they say, Mr. Deputy Speaker, ““Follow that.”” I do not know how I can follow it, but to summaris...
Peter Bone | 481 c979 (Link to this contribution) It would have been easy—perhaps the information is available, but it has not come to light in the de...
Christopher Chope | 481 c979 (Link to this contribution) I do not have that information, but I do have some information from Dorset police about the number o...
Greg Knight | 481 c979 (Link to this contribution) How valuable is that information? If, for example, someone obtains a pedlar's certificate in Hampshi...
Christopher Chope | 481 c979-80 (Link to this contribution) Obviously it does not give a national picture. However, if I reinforce what I have just said with in...
Speaker | 481 c980 (Link to this contribution) Order. Let me share my difficulty with the hon. Member. The point that he is making now could equall...
Christopher Chope | 481 c980 (Link to this contribution) I accept that the point is generic, but I have made it clear that the way in which the Dorset police...
Christopher Chope | 481 c980 (Link to this contribution) My right hon. Friend was here when he heard the response of my hon. Friend the Member for Bournemout...
John Butterfill | 481 c981 (Link to this contribution) What I said was that if the pedlars were trading genuinely, they would not have a problem. Of course...
Greg Knight | 481 c980 (Link to this contribution) With particular respect to Bournemouth, is my hon. Friend satisfied with how the council says it is ...
Christopher Chope | 481 c981 (Link to this contribution) I accept that, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am sorry, but I gave way to my hon. Friend the Member for Bourn...
Christopher Chope | 481 c981 (Link to this contribution) We cannot go behind the law on pedlars at the moment, which says that a pedlar's certificate can be ...
Speaker | 481 c981 (Link to this contribution) Order. We really are getting far away from Bournemouth, so let me counsel the hon. Member once more....
Christopher Chope | 481 c981 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has taken an interest in this point. I will give way to him if he can tell me why it ...
Christopher Chope | 481 c981 (Link to this contribution) I think that it matters because we are debating the merits of this Bill. I should have thought that ...
Speaker | 481 c983 (Link to this contribution) Order. I think the hon. Gentleman will recognise that he is now talking about matters of detail that...
Speaker | 481 c982 (Link to this contribution) I am not prepared to accept such a motion at this stage, but I can tell the hon. Gentleman that my m...
Christopher Chope | 481 c982 (Link to this contribution) I shall go through the clauses very quickly, Mr. Deputy Speaker.
Tobias Ellwood | 481 c981 (Link to this contribution) With respect to the hon. Gentleman, he is now dictating what is right or wrong for Bournemouth. Bour...
Christopher Chope | 481 c982 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend seems to think that any words of wisdom that come from his borough council are not to...
Rob Wilson | 481 c982 (Link to this contribution) My hon. Friend has been very generous in giving way. I may be able to answer his question. Governmen...
Tobias Ellwood | 481 c982 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. You have had to intervene on my hon. Friend the Member for ...
Peter Bone | 481 c982 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to my hon. Friend for giving way to me on a specific point before he moves on. I unde...
Christopher Chope | 481 c982-3 (Link to this contribution) I have no answer to that, but perhaps my hon. Friend the Member for Bournemouth, East has. If Bourn...
Gareth Thomas | 481 c984 (Link to this contribution) In a similar spirit of helpfulness, may I use this opportunity to ask the hon. Gentleman whether he ...
Christopher Chope | 481 c984 (Link to this contribution) Obviously, the Minister has used the intervention as an opportunity to put that on the record. I thi...
Speaker | 481 c983-4 (Link to this contribution) Order. I thought we had established that the generalised debate that began in June was intended to g...
Christopher Chope | 481 c984 (Link to this contribution) Certainly, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I am keen to make progress, and I have tried my hardest. I must say t...
Speaker | 481 c983 (Link to this contribution) Order. The hon. Gentleman is inadvertently drawing the hon. Member for Christchurch (Mr. Chope) into...
Christopher Chope | 481 c983 (Link to this contribution) I have not gone through the Manchester and Bournemouth Bills line by line to see whether they are id...
John Butterfill | 481 c983 (Link to this contribution) Under the existing Act, a pedlar is not permitted to sell services, so it is appropriate to say that...
John Battle | 481 c984 (Link to this contribution) rose in his place and claimed to move, That the Question be now put. Question put, That the Questio...
John Butterfill | 481 c973 (Link to this contribution) I shall be brief, because all the general arguments about pedlars have been made, and it would be wr...
Tobias Ellwood | 481 c972 (Link to this contribution) I will not give way, at least not until I have finished my point. I hope that the House will support...
Ann Widdecombe | 481 c978 (Link to this contribution) On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker. I have been listening carefully for the past minute, as I a...
Christopher Chope | 481 c983 (Link to this contribution) I accept that, Mr. Deputy Speaker, and I hope they will be dealt with in Committee. It is traditiona...

Subjects

Bournemouth
Street trading
Bournemouth Borough Council

Legislation

Bournemouth Borough Council Bill (HL) 2006-07 to 2009-10

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