Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Commons amendments considered. Lords amendments insisted on and agreed to on division (227 votes to 151) and (178 votes to 164). Commons amendments agreed to. Lords amendments not insisted on and Commons amendments in lieu agreed to. Committe appointed to report reasons for Lords insisting on their amendments 9, 301, 327 and 285. Reasons agreed to. Bill returned to the Commons with reasons.
Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill
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Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. Commons amendments and reasons.
Wednesday, 7 May 2008
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Wednesday, 7 May 2008
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 701 c574 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to take a moment to say that I did not find the solution of the noble Lord, Lord El...
Lord Bach | 701 c575 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is an option, and I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken. But if it is an opt...
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Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c571 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, these proposals represent incoherence and dither on the part of the Government. In 2003, t...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 701 c571-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with respect, I do not regard the Government’s situation in such ungenerous terms as the n...
Earl of Onslow | 701 c573 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, has produced the most marvellous comment on the Bill....
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 701 c573-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Earl has been somewhat unjust to the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan. I do not t...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c575 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the noble Lord agree that that is the problem with the 2003 Act? Great parts of it ha...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 701 c575 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise for the convoluted way in which I put the argument. The point that I am seekin...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c567 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, can the Minister explain why we are dealing with magistrates’ courts alone if there has be...
Lord Bach | 701 c567-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall deal with the imbalance in a moment and suggest that it is not quite as much an im...
Lord Mayhew of Twysden | 701 c567 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is the Minister telling the House that the Government dismissed this explanation for what ...
Lord Bach | 701 c567 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall come on to the tariff in due course. Mr Howarth, whom I have quoted, also talked i...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c564-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the Commons amendments be now considered.
Moved accordingly, and, on Q...
Lord Bach | 701 c565-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 9, 301 and 327, to which...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c570-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for giving me the formal date but I am reliably informe...
Lord Bach | 701 c569 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry to interrupt but the date on which this became active was 4 April 2005.
Lord Kingsland | 701 c569 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move Motion A1, as an amendment to Motion A, to leave out from ““House”” to end and insert “...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c583-4 (Link to this contribution)
I have argued throughout Second Reading, Committee and Report that designated caseworkers should be ...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c584 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Thomas of Gresford, for what he said, which see...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 701 c584 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 88A to Lords...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 701 c584-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 89A to Lords...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c587 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move Motion F, that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 115, to which th...
Lord Henley | 701 c588 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we, too, will not oppose the Government’s amendment at this stage, though to introduce fiv...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c588-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord and the noble Baroness for their general welcome to the am...
Lord West of Spithead | 701 c590 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendments Nos. 117 and 127, to which th...
Lord Henley | 701 c590 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in the absence of my noble friend Lord Kingsland, we accept the Government’s concession. W...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 701 c575 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is a proper political point to make but I do not think that it affects the argument i...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 701 c576 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as I understand it, Clause 201 is already part of the Bill. There is no proposal to amend ...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c576 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is so; but I did not understand the noble Lord, Lord Elystan-Morgan, to be suggesting...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c575-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to all noble Lords who have spoken in this relatively crisp debate this afte...
Baroness Scotland of Asthal | 701 c580-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this House do not insist on its Amendment No. 86, to which the Commons ...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c582-3 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move Motion C1, as an amendment to Motion C, at end insert ““but do propose Amendments Nos. ...
Lord Bach | 701 c579 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this House do agree with the Commons in their Amendment No. 28A, conseq...
Lord Brabazon of Tara | 701 c583 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the original Question was that Motion C be agreed to, since when Motion C1 has been moved ...
Lord Waddington | 701 c596-8 (Link to this contribution)
rose to move Motion J1, as an amendment to Motion J, to leave out from ““House”” to end and insert “...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c594-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 285, to which the Commons ...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c598-600 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a particular interest in this subject not only as a member of the Joint Committee o...
Lord Dear | 701 c592-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I spoke before in your Lordships' House. I speak briefly now. I support entirely what the ...
Lord Ramsbotham | 701 c592 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am glad that the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, has spoken as she has. I was interested th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c593-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, once again I have the great pleasure of welcoming the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, to our ...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c593 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support everything that the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, and other noble Lords have said...
Lord Thomas of Gresford | 701 c590 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are grateful to the Government for rethinking on this point. We have urged that there b...
Baroness Hanham | 701 c591-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister’s wish is not entirely going to be fulfilled. Lack of time in the House of Co...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c591 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do not insist on its Amendment No. 173, to which the Commons ...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 701 c604 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the case that I had referred to me was an allegation of having made a homophobic remark. I...
Lord Smith of Finsbury | 701 c604-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when I came into the House today, I did not originally intend to speak, but I have been li...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c608 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a terrifying thing to interrupt a former Lord Chancellor and a noble and learned Lor...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 701 c608 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is important to have in mind that the noble Lord, Lord Waddington, and I have no intent...
Lord Maginnis of Drumglass | 701 c609 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is with some trepidation that a simple old village schoolmaster rises in the midst of s...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 701 c608 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if the noble Lord, Lord Lester, was sitting as a judge, he might not have difficulty, but ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 701 c605-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, unlike those who were in the other place yesterday, and who were pretty few in number as I...
Lord Clarke of Hampstead | 701 c605 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have spoken a number of times on the terms of this amendment. I shall make one comment o...
Lord Armstrong of Ilminster | 701 c606-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I should like briefly to say why I support the Motion proposed by the noble Lord, Lord Wad...
Lord Elton | 701 c610 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does the Minister not accept that the number of individual cases quoted shows that the law...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c610 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish the noble Lord had taken part in our earlier debate. We have discussed the number o...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c609-10 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think there is a sense that I should respond at this stage. There has been general agree...
Lord Waddington | 701 c612-3 (Link to this contribution)
I am not going to give way at this stage of the debate, my Lords; the noble Lord, Lord Alli, has had...
Lord Waddington | 701 c611 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, at the beginning of his remarks when we commenced our debate, the Minister posed this ques...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 701 c611 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if I had produced an amendment that said the Secretary of State ““may”” produce guidance, ...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 701 c600 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, having listened with great interest to the noble Lord, Lord Lester, I do not think we can ...
Lord Harrison | 701 c604 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, like many colleagues, was written to about that incident in Manchester. Through interme...
Viscount Bledisloe | 701 c602-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I strongly support the Motion of the noble Lord, Lord Waddington. In doing so, perhaps I c...
Lord Alli | 701 c602 (Link to this contribution)
No, my Lords. I am arguing that the offence does not capture the theological argument about homosexu...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 701 c601 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord for giving way. He will know a thing or two about the question that...
Lord Alli | 701 c600-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I listened with great care to the debate on the noble Lord's amendment on Report. I listen...
Baroness Knight of Collingtree | 701 c603-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is very important that all of us keep our eye on the main point of this amendment. I fe...
Viscount Bledisloe | 701 c603 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord. I was aware of most of his points. However, the last...
Lord Lester of Herne Hill | 701 c603 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that I did not—I did not mean to—interrupt the noble Viscount in a discourteous way...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 701 c574 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope the House will forgive another lawyer from the Cross Benches having his say. I agre...
Lord Bach | 701 c575 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the noble Lord, but I would like to consider further what he has said. Ho...
Lord Kingsland | 701 c579-80 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment, which the Government have brought back to your Lordships’ House, is a cons...
Baroness Falkner of Margravine | 701 c607-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would not normally have spoken to this particular part of the criminal justice Bill, hav...
Lord Waddington | 701 c612 (Link to this contribution)
No, my Lords, I will not give way, not at this late stage. Let’s get on with the Division. How dare ...
Lord Neill of Bladen | 701 c610-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment that the Minister is backing and asking this House to adopt says that the Se...
Baroness Miller of Chilthorne Domer | 701 c587-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am glad that the Government have come forward with some sort of answer to the House’s de...
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