Children and Young Persons Bill (HL). Lords report stage. Amendment 7 agreed to on division (173 votes to 119). Part 2 of 3 records.
Children and Young Persons Bill [HL]
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Children and Young Persons Bill (HL). As amended in Committee (on Recommitment).
Monday, 18 February 2008
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Monday, 18 February 2008
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Children and Young Persons Bill (HL). As amended on Report.
Monday, 17 March 2008
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Monday, 17 March 2008
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Proceeding contributions
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c79 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister and, in those circumstances, I beg leave to withdraw th...
Earl of Listowel | 700 c81-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support these amendments. My Amendment No. 38 would place a duty on children’s homes and...
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Lord Judd | 700 c83 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in speaking to Amendment No. 22, to which I put my name, I hope that the House will forgiv...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c83 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, and all other noble Lords know that I have great sympat...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c84 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support all these amendments. They take me back a long way, to when I was chair of a juv...
Lord Adonis | 700 c84-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we recognise that advocacy has an important role to play in improving services for looked-...
Earl of Listowel | 700 c86 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his reply and for his recognition of the work of Voice.
Baroness Crawley | 700 c87 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that further consideration on Report be now adjourned. In moving this Motion...
Lord Adonis | 700 c68 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, read out word for word my proposed response to her amen...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 700 c68 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this rosy picture is not necessarily experienced on the ground. Work done on the transitio...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c66-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 17:
17: Clause 8, page 8, line 22, at end insert—
““(22FA) Accommodation with ...
Lord Williamson of Horton | 700 c70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I give a brief but warm welcome to government Amendment No. 18 which, in my view, goes to ...
Earl of Listowel | 700 c69-70 (Link to this contribution)
moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 18, Amendment No. 19:
19: After Clause 8, line 13, at end ...
Lord Adonis | 700 c68-9 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 18:
18: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause—
““General duty of loc...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c68 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister, and I certainly take on board what the noble Baroness,...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 700 c71 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, from these Benches, we welcome the amendments, and we are particularly pleased that the Go...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 700 c70-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I simply want to ask the Minister a question. Does he consider it appropriate that an olde...
Lord Northbourne | 700 c71 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have a modest concern about the amendment. It is very often the case that children who a...
Lord Adonis | 700 c63 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, my Lords.
On Question, amendment agreed to.
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c63 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will apprenticeships be covered by ““training””?
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c64 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was happy to add my name to Amendment No. 35 because, for us, it is about natural justic...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c63-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 16:
16: Clause 8, page 7, line 41, after ““2004”” insert ““, save that subsect...
Earl of Listowel | 700 c64 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support the amendments—my name is attached to Amendment No. 34. We must make foster care...
Baroness Meacher | 700 c64 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I wish to make only a single point in addition to those already made. The only possible ar...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 700 c64 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the proposal is in the interests of children. There is nothing like money to speed things ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c65 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I also support the amendments. It is clear that we should not be treating foster parents d...
Lord Adonis | 700 c65-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, although the number of foster carers affected is small, I sympathise with the view express...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c66 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister and other noble Lords throughout the House who expresse...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c78 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot say that I am 100 per cent satisfied with what I have heard and, under those circ...
Lord Adonis | 700 c78 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not believe that there is a case in this respect because there is a statutory basis. ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c78 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, are we really saying that there is a statutory duty to do everything that I ask for in my ...
Lord Adonis | 700 c78 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am informed that circulars issued under that section are binding on local authorities. T...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c78 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not sure that that is what I am asking.
Lord Adonis | 700 c78 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord is pressing beyond my knowledge for the circumstances in which applications...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c77-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before the Minister sits down, perhaps I may make a further inquiry on this matter. My und...
Lord Adonis | 700 c77 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I shall be quite frank with the House. I am not familiar with the evaluation to which the ...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c77 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, of course I am pleased to hear that more thought is being given to this issue—albeit not i...
Lord Adonis | 700 c79 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if it helps the noble Baroness, I shall certainly look at the issue of the evaluation and ...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c75-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, have put my name to the amendment. I continue to support it as I did in Grand Comm...
Lord Judd | 700 c75 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support this very important amendment. It seems to me that the child must be at the cent...
Lord Adonis | 700 c76-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this amendment seeks to place in the Bill an explicit requirement that whenever the local ...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c76 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree with everything that has been said. This is a vital issue. I supported the amendme...
Lord Adonis | 700 c72-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to noble Lords for their general welcome for this new duty on local authorit...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c72 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we very much welcome Amendment No. 18 and appreciate that the Minister has listened yet ag...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c73-4 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 21:
21: After Clause 8, insert the following new Clause—
““Recording the child...
Earl of Listowel | 700 c73 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his helpful reply and encouraging response, and beg leave to with...
Lord Adonis | 700 c77 (Link to this contribution)
Absolutely, my Lords. The regulations will do so.
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c42 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg leave to withdraw the amendment.
Lord Haskel | 700 c42 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment was grouped with Amendment No. 7. The Question is that the amendment be agre...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c42 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 8:
8: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause—
““Guardians for childr...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c39-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful, as always, to the Minister for his courteous and detailed reply. I tha...
Lord Adonis | 700 c37-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the rights in the code of practice have a statutory effect; it is statutory guidance to wh...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c37 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I in no way impugn the Minister’s sincerity and sensitivity in this matter, but he said th...
Lord Adonis | 700 c37 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I believe that the paragraphs of the code that I read out make clear the agency’s responsi...
Lord Judd | 700 c37 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to my noble friend, who is replying as fully as he always does. Would he ple...
Lord Adonis | 700 c35-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, perhaps I may start with Amendment No. 7. As the noble Baroness, Lady Morris, said, this i...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 700 c48-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thought that the noble Lord, Lord Judd, was going to suggest that the Minister might not...
Lord Judd | 700 c47-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, reference has been made to Scotland. As I am half-Scottish, from time to time I have an in...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 700 c49 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I realise that we are on Report, not in Committee, and I shall be brief. Like noble Lords ...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c45-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, Amendments Nos. 10 and 40 in this group stand in my name. Amendment No. 40 is an amendment...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c47 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I rise briefly to support the amendments in this group, particularly Amendment No. 11. I d...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c46 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have put my name to three of the amendments in this group, and shall speak particularly ...
Lord Haskel | 700 c42 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, is it your Lordships’ pleasure that the amendment be withdrawn?
Earl Ferrers | 700 c42 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I think that the Question has been put, has it not? How can you withdraw the amendment aft...
Lord Haskel | 700 c42-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I asked if it was your Lordships’ pleasure that it be withdrawn.
Amendment, by leave, wit...
Lord Northbourne | 700 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the noble Lord, and I am glad that the Government accept the intenti...
Lord Adonis | 700 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we shall certainly to ensure that the elements which form part of the definition of suppor...
Lord Northbourne | 700 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, would the noble Lord please repeat what he has said because I did not hear it?
Lord Adonis | 700 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are certainly seeking to ensure that the elements which form part of the definition of ...
Lord Northbourne | 700 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord. In that case I will withdraw the amendment, but consider whether t...
Lord Adonis | 700 c54 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am happy to write to the noble Lord before Third Reading to set out more fully our think...
Lord Adonis | 700 c50-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is a wide and varied group of amendments, and I shall do my best to respond to the ve...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c49-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, as always, the noble Baroness, Lady Walmsley, has made some interesting points. She speaks...
Baroness Sharp of Guildford | 700 c60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in the past we have supported these amendments from the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, and w...
Lord Adonis | 700 c62 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 15:
15: Clause 8, page 7, line 28, after ““education”” insert ““or training””
...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 700 c62 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for his considered reply and others who supported the amendments. Iss...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c63 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the amendment is yet another example of the Minister listening and acting. We warmly welco...
Baroness Massey of Darwen | 700 c54-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 12:
12: Clause 8, page 6, line 25, at end insert—
““( ) In fulfilling their du...
Baroness Howarth of Breckland | 700 c57 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I speak to Amendment No. 37, the only amendment to which I have attached my name, as I bel...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 700 c58-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support Amendment No. 37. We are all grateful to the Minister for the full letter that h...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c59-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we have been strong supporters of what the noble Baroness, Lady Massey, has been seeking t...
Lord Judd | 700 c34-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I apologise that I was not here for a moment or two at the beginning of this debate. I wel...
Baroness Morris of Bolton | 700 c29-31 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 7:
7: Before Clause 7, insert the following new Clause—
““Welfare for child im...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c31-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I support Amendment No. 7. In the letter of 25 February from the children’s champion of th...
Bishop of Portsmouth | 700 c32-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, before I support these amendments, I should apologise for my remarks earlier. They referre...
Baroness Butler-Sloss | 700 c33-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in supporting Amendments Nos. 7 and 8, I declare an interest as vice-chairman of the All-P...
Lord Elystan-Morgan | 700 c34 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, support the responsible and humane principles which underlie the two amendments th...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c86-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister and other noble Lords who have taken part in this debate. I have been...
Lord Ramsbotham | 700 c35 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I, too, apologise to the House for not being present when the noble Baroness began to spea...
Lord Northbourne | 700 c43-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 9:
9: Clause 7, page 5, line 40, at end insert—
““( ) In fulfilling his obliga...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 700 c53-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am most grateful to the Minister for his explanation of what the Government are doing, b...
Baroness Howe of Idlicote | 700 c50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, this is such an important group of amendments that I cannot resist just saying a few quick...
Lord Northbourne | 700 c59 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, after those three brilliant speeches, I have nothing additional to say except that, as a p...
Lord Northbourne | 700 c77 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the regulations ensure that, as far as possible, where a child’s wishes are not compl...
Baroness Walmsley | 700 c79-81 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 22:
22: Clause 9, page 9, line 11, at end insert—
““(1A) In carrying out his f...
Lord Adonis | 700 c60-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we are grateful to my noble friend Lady Massey for raising the issue of family and friends...
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