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Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Bill [HL]

Debate on bills and Committee proceeding on Tuesday, 15 January 2008, in the House of Lords.
Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage fourth day. Clauses 15 to 31 agreed to. Schedule 3 agreed to. Bill reported with an amendment (HL Bill 17 2007-08). Grand Committee held in the Moses Room.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

697 c461-508GC 

Session

2007-08

Department

Treasury

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords Grand Committee

Related items

Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Bill (HL). (Explanatory Notes HL Bill 2-EN published).
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Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Bill (HL). As amended in Grand Committee.
Tuesday, 15 January 2008
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness McIntosh of Hudnall | 697 c461GC (Link to this contribution) Before we start, I remind the Committee that if there are Divisions in the Chamber—which there may w...
Lord Newby | 697 c463-4GC (Link to this contribution) We support the thinking behind this amendment. Whether it is as straightforward to introduce into le...

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Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c475-6GC (Link to this contribution) I have not given great consideration to a laying of orders timetable for the Bill. I have enough to ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c472-3GC (Link to this contribution) Again I thank noble Lords for speaking in this debate. Before I respond to the Minister—because I wo...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c508GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the noble Baroness would allow me to be a little more helpful; I was not referring to a lott...
Lord Bach | 697 c502-3GC (Link to this contribution) The Bill enables the devolved Administrations to determine their own priorities for distribution to ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c493-6GC (Link to this contribution) Oratory is difficult enough without the interruption of a Division, but I will try to recall that I ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c497GC (Link to this contribution) I hear what the noble Baroness says. We had to negotiate the first part with the bank and building s...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c498GC (Link to this contribution) The £250 million is not my figure but that of the noble Lord, Lord Hamilton, in his proposal. We are...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c469GC (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords who have spoken in this debate. It has given me enormous pleasure to see that th...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c469GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Viscount will appreciate that the nature of this scheme, as he rightly says, is compiled o...
Lord Higgins | 697 c465GC (Link to this contribution) There is a basic problem here: the Big Lottery Fund is already suspect in the sense that it is felt ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c465-7GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to noble Lords who have spoken in this most interesting debate. The issue of additiona...
Lord Skelmersdale | 697 c475GC (Link to this contribution) On reading the Bill, it occurs to me that the Government anticipate making one order, and then that ...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 697 c476-7GC (Link to this contribution) I wonder if I might raise another matter that is related to that. I know we have an amendment on thi...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c477GC (Link to this contribution) In response to the point made by the noble Baroness, I recognise of course that the Secretary of Sta...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c476GC (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to intervene on this. The Minister keeps talking about Big. This is an activity that is c...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 697 c471GC (Link to this contribution) My point is that if there is a separate committee with the responsibility for dispersing these funds...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c474GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to Members of the Committee, but I would like some clarification. The noble Lord, Lord...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c474-5GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful, because it avoids repetition. I am always conscious that the tolerance of the Committ...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 697 c485GC (Link to this contribution) I should advise the Committee that if Amendment No. 73 is agreed to, I shall not be able to call Ame...
Viscount Eccles | 697 c492GC (Link to this contribution) Can the Minister say whether a study has been carried out by the department into the idea for either...
Lord Newby | 697 c489-90GC (Link to this contribution) These are important amendments. I completely agree with the noble Baroness, Lady Noakes, about the p...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 697 c490-1GC (Link to this contribution) I declare an interest as a member of the Commission on Unclaimed Assets, the main recommendation of ...
Lord Newby | 697 c480GC (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Howard, has raised an interesting point. There is an additional reason in that ...
Lord Bach | 697 c480-2GC (Link to this contribution) The probing amendments of the noble Lord would prescribe that the lead Secretary of State in respect...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c507GC (Link to this contribution) I am bound to succumb to the blandishments of the noble Baroness in saying that I agree with her ent...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c506GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his reply. I shall consider carefully what he has said but, at this stage, ...
Lord Newby | 697 c507-8GC (Link to this contribution) I did not intervene earlier in this amendment because I was sure that the Minister, even if he did n...
Lord Bach | 697 c504-5GC (Link to this contribution) The amendments in this group concern the expenses that the Government and the devolved Administratio...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c503-4GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 97: 97: Clause 25, page 12, line 39, leave out from ““State”” to end of line 2...
Lord Faulkner of Worcester | 697 c493GC (Link to this contribution) There is a Division in the House and the Committee will adjourn for 10 minutes. [The Sitting was su...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c496-7GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister said that he had negotiated these expenditure objectives with those who were passing th...
Lord Higgins | 697 c497GC (Link to this contribution) Was Help the Aged, for example, consulted?
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c501GC (Link to this contribution) Of course, Welsh Ministers might make the decisions with regard to England as well. I have to confes...
Lord Higgins | 697 c501GC (Link to this contribution) Why should Welsh Ministers decide what is done with private money?
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c501-2GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 78: 78: Clause 18, page 9, line 27, after ““shall”” insert ““publish their dra...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c501GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister. I think that the Bill would be considerably improved by the amendments but, as...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 697 c470GC (Link to this contribution) If I have understood correctly what has been said, I do not warm to the amendment. I am one of those...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c469-70GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 61: 61: Schedule 3, page 21, line 28, leave out sub-paragraph (5) The noble L...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c471GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to both noble Lords, but rather more grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Shutt, on this o...
Viscount Eccles | 697 c464-5GC (Link to this contribution) Following on what the noble Lord, Lord Newby, said, it could be difficult to introduce a safeguard. ...
Lord Skelmersdale | 697 c476GC (Link to this contribution) I am still confused, I am afraid. This section refers to the activities of the Secretary of State an...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c478GC (Link to this contribution) I think that the Minister told the Committee that the money would be distributed on a population bas...
Lord Newby | 697 c477-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister because he has given us a very clear definition of how the Government ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c478GC (Link to this contribution) I hear what the noble Lord says with regard to population, but I have indicated that the Government ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c471-2GC (Link to this contribution) I hear what the noble Lord says but we are also drawing on the experience and expertise that Big has...
Lord Newby | 697 c473-4GC (Link to this contribution) The subject matter of this amendment overlaps with our Amendment No. 69. If I may, it would be exped...
Lord Newby | 697 c474GC (Link to this contribution) It would be logical place to do that, if the Minister is happy to.
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c472GC (Link to this contribution) I do not have the slightest doubt that my noble friend Lord Sainsbury is associated with a hugely su...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c473GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 66: 66: Clause 16, page 8, line 37, at end insert— ““(4A) At least 60 days bef...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c484-5GC (Link to this contribution) The Government are totally in sympathy with the noble Lord, Lord Shutt, and I hope that I can establ...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 697 c487-9GC (Link to this contribution) I take this opportunity to speak to my amendments and to apologise to the Committee because I did no...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 697 c485GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the Minister’s words, but I fail to see why this matter cannot be made clearer in ...
Lord Higgins | 697 c492GC (Link to this contribution) Unfortunately, earlier I had to leave the Committee briefly to explain to another meeting that I was...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c493GC (Link to this contribution) This has been a full and extensive debate and a challenging one to respond to. I prefer the concept ...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c479-80GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 67: 67: Clause 16, page 8, line 38, after ““State”” insert ““in charge of Lott...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c482GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for his remarks. I hope only that there will be a clear lead department so that...
Lord Newby | 697 c482GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 70: 70: Clause 17, page 9, line 7, at end insert ““made in the following categ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c482-3GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Newby, for his amendments and for the clarity with which he ha...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 697 c484GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 71: 71: Clause 17, page 9, line 9, at end insert ““and the community”” The no...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c508GC (Link to this contribution) I accept the constructive point that the noble Lord, Lord Newby, made about how more immediate commu...
Lord Bach | 697 c506GC (Link to this contribution) I can go this far. The Bill follows the same approach as it does to the lottery, whereby payments of...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c496GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Higgins, who was as constructive as ever and we will certainly...
Lord Higgins | 697 c496GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that there is a great deal more work to be done and I hope that the debates this aftern...
Lord Shutt of Greetland | 697 c498GC (Link to this contribution) I speak as a simple searcher after truth. Let us suppose that, in 2009, £300 million is sent by the ...
Lord Newby | 697 c497-8GC (Link to this contribution) I am extremely depressed by the Minister’s response because it implied to me that the likelihood of ...
Lord Hamilton of Epsom | 697 c498-9GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister has raised the issue of the estimates. It is worth reiterating what I said earlier: is ...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c500GC (Link to this contribution) This has proved to be a useful, extensive debate on a wide range of issues. It was disappointing for...
Viscount Eccles | 697 c468GC (Link to this contribution) On that last point, I would be the very last person to argue in favour of a monopoly for a body othe...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c468GC (Link to this contribution) If the noble Lord will forgive me, I strayed from the fund and from this Bill to respond to the nobl...
Lord Higgins | 697 c468GC (Link to this contribution) I understand that. However, as the argument, presumably, is that the Big Lottery Fund would carry ou...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c468GC (Link to this contribution) I was merely advocating that the department might be more efficient in co-ordination rather than mor...
Lord Higgins | 697 c468GC (Link to this contribution) I am slightly worried about the Minister’s overall attitude, given the fact that on the Floor of the...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c4610-3GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 60: 60: Clause 15, page 8, line 7, at end insert— ““( ) Any grant or loan made...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c476GC (Link to this contribution) Not so. There are other means of bringing pressure to bear rather than the proposal favoured by the ...
Viscount Eccles | 697 c472GC (Link to this contribution) Perhaps the Minister could look at one charity which is very much involved with the young and with d...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c485-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 73: 73: Clause 17, page 9, line 15, leave out paragraph (c) The noble Barones...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c478GC (Link to this contribution) It was suggested that population played an important part and, indeed, it does, but I have emphasise...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c478GC (Link to this contribution) I thank noble Lords who have spoken. My rather modest amendment seemed to spark more of a debate tha...
Lord Newby | 697 c483GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for helping to clarify the Government’s thinking on this. I am interes...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c508GC (Link to this contribution) The Minister almost redeemed himself with his final offer to look kindly on the points made by the n...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c508GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord for that clarification. I can now see what he is referring to. In wh...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c506-7GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 104: 104: Clause 28, page 14, line 12, at end insert— ““( ) A direction under ...
Baroness Noakes | 697 c505GC (Link to this contribution) Before I decide what to do with my amendment, would the Minister comment on the issue of paying mone...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c503GC (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister, and I thank the noble Lord, Lord Newby, for his support. Perhaps the Minister ...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c497GC (Link to this contribution) I cannot answer that question directly but we are concerned about the issue of the third sector. Tha...
Lord Davies of Oldham | 697 c500GC (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord. I appreciate again how constructive he has been. I shall consider a...
Lord Howard of Rising | 697 c500-1GC (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 77: 77: Clause 18, page 9, line 26, at end insert— ““( ) An order may only spe...
Lord Newby | 697 c502GC (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments. It is eminently sensible that there should be some process of consultation...

Subjects

Devolved matters
Disadvantaged
Charities
Community development
Assets
Bank services
Banks
Building societies
Health
Education
Environment
Investment
Distribution
Northern Ireland
Lotteries
Scotland
Young people
Wales
Youth services
Big Lottery Fund
Operating costs

Legislation

Dormant Bank and Building Society Accounts Bill (HL) 2007-08

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