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Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill [HL]

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 4 December 2007, in the House of Lords.
Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill (HL). Lords Committee stage second day. Part 2 of 2 records.

About these Parliamentary proceedings

Reference

696 c1633-70 

Session

2007-08

Department

Department of Health

Legislative stage

Committee stage

Chamber / Committee

House of Lords chamber

Related items

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill (HL). (Explanatory Note HL Bill 6-EN published).
Thursday, 8 November 2007
Bills
House of Lords

Proceeding contributions

Baroness Deech | 696 c1660 (Link to this contribution) May I make a small correction? I am not sure what would be the procedure under the Human Tissue Act....
Baroness Tonge | 696 c1660-1 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness for that intervention. It is something that all of us on all sides of the...

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Lord Walton of Detchant | 696 c1661-2 (Link to this contribution) I do not intend to make a lengthy speech on this very difficult issue, which bristles with scientifi...
Lord Elton | 696 c1662 (Link to this contribution) I first echo support for my noble friend on the Front Bench and for the noble Lord, Lord Alton, in w...
Baroness Deech | 696 c1658-9 (Link to this contribution) No other field has been as extensively analysed by the lawyers as well as by the ethicists. The nobl...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 696 c1659 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend sits down, perhaps I may ask her a question because of her knowledge in this ...
Baroness Hollis of Heigham | 696 c1658 (Link to this contribution) Before the right reverend Prelate sits down, can he help me? I am now confused between the concept o...
Bishop of Winchester | 696 c1658 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness's second example is where the noble Lord’s later amendments come into play. It is...
Lord Mackay of Clashfern | 696 c1664-5 (Link to this contribution) It is always difficult to know exactly what one thought earlier in our consideration of these things...
Lord Winston | 696 c1664 (Link to this contribution) I, too, was a member of the scrutiny committee, and I was always unhappy about this definition and t...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 696 c1664 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord knows far more about this than I do, but, with the greatest respect, he has taken rat...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 696 c1664 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin of Roding, for his interpretation of and personal ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 696 c1664 (Link to this contribution) I expressed at Second Reading my admiration for the way in which Phil Willis chaired our committee, ...
Baroness Deech | 696 c1663 (Link to this contribution) As I have said before, we live in a world of freedom of mobility. There is nothing to stop anyone go...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 696 c1663 (Link to this contribution) In the light of the debate, I have reread a bit of the Joint Committee’s report and the evidence on ...
Lord Elton | 696 c1662 (Link to this contribution) We cannot? In that case, I withdraw that sentence. The principal concern is the legislation to allo...
Lord Winston | 696 c1662 (Link to this contribution) Very briefly, I wonder whether I might, without causing too many jitters on my Front Bench, throw a ...
Lord Patel | 696 c1644 (Link to this contribution) I thought that there were six centres, but there might be seven. That refers to the training related...
Baroness Tonge | 696 c1644 (Link to this contribution) That is how it came over. I would have said that a little humility was needed, in that training is n...
Baroness Tonge | 696 c1644 (Link to this contribution) I have been through the mill of medical training, and I am sure that it is not like this now, but in...
Baroness O'Cathain | 696 c1645 (Link to this contribution) I am really concerned about this, because leaving out ““abnormality”” and inserting ““characteristic...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 696 c1645 (Link to this contribution) I hope that we will think carefully before making this change. I am certain that it is not the inten...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1646-8 (Link to this contribution) Embryo testing involves removing one or two cells of an embryo created in vitro at the eight-cell st...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 696 c1646 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lord Alton must be surprised to hear that on this occasion I agree with him, because...
Bishop of Winchester | 696 c1648 (Link to this contribution) It seemed that the line of the noble Baroness’s answer precisely did not draw together various corne...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1648 (Link to this contribution) We said that we would be prepared to look further at Amendments Nos. 29 to 31 and 36 to 38, but made...
Lord Brougham and Vaux | 696 c1653 (Link to this contribution) I advise the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to, I am unable to call Amendments No. 32A t...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 696 c1653 (Link to this contribution) I am very grateful for the intervention of my noble friend. I know that he has been personally invol...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 696 c1653 (Link to this contribution) I interrupt my noble friend for one moment to say that there is now a major project under way, funde...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 696 c1648-53 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 32: 32: Schedule 2, page 55, leave out lines 27 to 34 The noble Lord said: Th...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 696 c1655-6 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the noble Lord and noble Earl for raising these issues. There is clearly widespread...
Earl Howe | 696 c1653-4 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord, Lord Alton has set out a range of concerns about these provisions. While I cannot su...
Bishop of Winchester | 696 c1657-8 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the speeches we have heard, in particular, for those of the noble Lord, Lord Alton...
Baroness Warnock | 696 c1639 (Link to this contribution) I think that I am not alone in supposing that the extension of research into this field is agreed to...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 696 c1638 (Link to this contribution) The Minister used the words ““therapeutic research purposes””. I believe that that is agreed under t...
Lord Patel | 696 c1639 (Link to this contribution) No, it is not. Perhaps I may say something that might help the Minister in preparing her answer to u...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 696 c1639 (Link to this contribution) Before my noble friend responds to the other inquiries that have been made of him, perhaps I may ask...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1638 (Link to this contribution) I shall certainly clarify the position in writing. I have been informed that should we wish to use e...
Lord Harries of Pentregarth | 696 c1638 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether it would be helpful in due course for the Minister to write to everyone who has tak...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1639 (Link to this contribution) Once more for clarification, the use of embryos for research into potential treatments for disease i...
Lord Patel | 696 c1640 (Link to this contribution) I have listened to the debate and thank the Minister for taking the time and effort to write to us. ...
Lord Patel | 696 c1642-3 (Link to this contribution) I believe that there may have been some misunderstanding, which has resulted in this amendment—the m...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 696 c1642 (Link to this contribution) I raise a slightly different point but I agree with the remarks that have just been made. To change ...
Lord Winston | 696 c1642 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether I might put in a very brief word as I think that my laboratory invented pre-implant...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 696 c1642 (Link to this contribution) I do not believe that I am making myself clear. The next section is concerned with pre-implantation ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 696 c1641-2 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps this is the time I might be allowed to say that the document produced by the department show...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 696 c1641 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I have considerable sympathy with the intention underlying the proposal set out in the ame...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1643-4 (Link to this contribution) In my next life I am going to be a scientist. Paragraph 2(2) of Schedule 2 to the Bill amends parag...
Baroness Tonge | 696 c1644 (Link to this contribution) I will comment just a little further. I accept the dilemma about which part of the Bill the amendmen...
Lord Patel | 696 c1637 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it the Bill will allow applications under regulation for a licence to create embryon...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1637 (Link to this contribution) I shall have to seek further clarification on the noble Lord’s point. However, in response to the no...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 696 c1638 (Link to this contribution) I was looking more with admiration at the way the Minister manages to cope with some of these extrem...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1637-8 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord is right that we are talking about two different things, and he has explained it far ...
Baroness Jay of Paddington | 696 c1638 (Link to this contribution) I hesitate to intervene as a definite non-scientist. I apologise to the Committee for not being here...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 696 c1633-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 25: 25: Clause 11, page 8, line 27, after ““research),”” insert— ““(a)”” The ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1636-7 (Link to this contribution) As the noble Lord, Lord Patel, has informed us, the HFEA currently has the power to issue licences f...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 696 c1637 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness advocates that this debate should take place in the future. Can she tell us wheth...
Earl Howe | 696 c1669 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful to the Minister for the offer she has made to reconsider that issue. If she is right t...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1665-9 (Link to this contribution) The screening and selection of embryos for the purpose of providing stem cells to treat a seriously ...
Lord Alton of Liverpool | 696 c1669-70 (Link to this contribution) The Minister has done real justice to this. Along with the noble Earl, I welcome her assurance that ...
Baroness Royall of Blaisdon | 696 c1669 (Link to this contribution) We have been advised by the House authorities that the Human Tissue Act is outwith the Bill. I will ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 696 c1670 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Deech | 696 c1660 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to say that I am not as familiar as I clearly should be with the definition there, but th...
Baroness Tonge | 696 c1648 (Link to this contribution) When I was first asked to move this amendment, my reaction was exactly that of the noble Lords, Lord...
Lord Lloyd of Berwick | 696 c1654-5 (Link to this contribution) I intervene for the first time in these proceedings to support the amendments tabled by my noble fri...
Lord Patten | 696 c1656-7 (Link to this contribution) I shall make two points, but as a preface to them I shall say that I strongly support the amendment ...
Lord Elton | 696 c1640 (Link to this contribution) When the Minister comes back in writing, would she be kind enough to define what she means by ““embr...
Baroness Tonge | 696 c1640-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 27: 27: Schedule 2, page 54, line 28, leave out ““the testing of embryos”” and...
Lord Patel | 696 c1634-5 (Link to this contribution) I thank my noble friend for moving the amendment for me, and I apologise to the Committee for having...
Lord Walton of Detchant | 696 c1637 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may return to the point that I raised at the beginning, before the noble Lord, Lord Patel,...
Baroness Tonge | 696 c1660 (Link to this contribution) I rise to speak to Amendment No. 35A in the name of my noble friend Lady Barker. I wish I had done t...
Baroness Tonge | 696 c1644-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 29: 29: Schedule 2, page 55, line 16, leave out first ““abnormality”” and inse...

Subjects

Abortion
Fertility
Human embryo experiments
Donors
Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority
Ethics
IVF
NHS
Medical treatments
Parents
Organs
Medicine
Standards
Training
Screening
Regulation
Research
Stem cells
Christianity

Legislation

Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill (HL) 2007-08

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