House of Lords Bill (HL). Queens consent signified. Lords second reading debate. Agreed to on question and committed to a Committee of the Whole House.
House of Lords Bill [HL]
Debate on bills on Friday, 30 November 2007,
in the House of Lords,
led by Lord Steel of Aikwood.
The answering
member was Lord Hunt of Kings Heath.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
696 c1415-84Session
2007-08Legislative stage
Second readingChamber / Committee
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1480-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I do not know whether the response has been published. I am quite happy to let him have a ...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 696 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the Minister for that. Has the response been published? I am afraid I have not see...
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Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 696 c1483 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would have said exactly that if I had had time.
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 696 c1481-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, since at the end of the last debate I was so critical of the Minister, let me say right aw...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1481 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I cannot give an absolute commitment, but we would try to see that Parliament had as much ...
Lord Tyler | 696 c1481 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am grateful to the Minister for allowing me to intervene. Will he assure us that those d...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 696 c1483-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, forgive me, but I am in mid-sentence, may I just go on a little? I will finish this point ...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 696 c1484 (Link to this contribution)
No, my Lords, I am finishing now.
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 696 c1484 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, we can debate all that in Committee. I hope that by Third Reading the House will vote so t...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 696 c1484 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the purpose of this House is not to send Bills to another place. The purpose of this House...
Lord Lloyd-Webber | 696 c1469-70 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I freely admit that my attendance in the House is not as great as I should like it to be. ...
Lord Addington | 696 c1470-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the length of this debate and the number of speakers is interesting for somebody who has r...
Lord Strathclyde | 696 c1471-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, anybody who listened to this debate will know that it has been a good debate, at times eve...
Lord Lucas | 696 c1473 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, if my noble friend is so afraid of a barge that is half designed in this House, why does h...
Lord Strathclyde | 696 c1473 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, of course that is not what I favour. I favour trying to build up a consensus in the long t...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 696 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, certain Members on our Front Benches who are in the Cabinet have no conception—
Baroness Boothroyd | 696 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
Order! There must be a restriction on interventions.
Lord Strathclyde | 696 c1474-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is true, and it has already been said today, that there is very little understanding in...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 696 c1474 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, they have no conception of what happened in this House on the House of Lords Bill.
Lord Trefgarne | 696 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Viscount said that he thought that he came here because his father had friends i...
Lord Selsdon | 696 c1459-60 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, one word that I hear repeatedly in the House of Lords is ““expert””. I do not really like ...
Viscount Falkland | 696 c1461-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Selsdon, is a hard act to follow. I did not realise that he was what ...
Lord Norton of Louth | 696 c1456-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Mackenzie. As Edmund Burke recognised, cha...
Lord Low of Dalston | 696 c1457-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I was not able to be here in July when the Bill was first introduced. I am therefore parti...
Lord Northbrook | 696 c1465-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, looking at the Bill introduced by the noble Lord, Lord Steel of Aikwood, overall, I approv...
Viscount Eccles | 696 c1466-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I admired the powerful speech of the noble Lord, Lord Brooke, but is he not a long way in ...
Lord James of Blackheath | 696 c1462-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would not take much of your time this morning except for the fact that as a very strong ...
Lord Brooke of Alverthorpe | 696 c1464-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I thank the noble Lord, Lord Steel of Aikwood, for giving us the opportunity for further d...
Baroness Finlay of Llandaff | 696 c1467-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my support for the Bill, viewed as a consensus Bill, is partly based on what I hear out th...
Viscount Eccles | 696 c1467 (Link to this contribution)
Well, my Lords, of course circumstances differ.
In thinking about this subject, are we not in dange...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 696 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is not just a question of the Supreme Court. If you read the wretched Bill you find it ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1480 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that is a most important point that the noble Lord, Lord Steel, will wish to con...
Lord Trefgarne | 696 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, will the Minister confirm that he is reconfirming the undertaking given by the noble and l...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am repeating what my noble and learned friend said then. I also reflect that the second ...
Earl Ferrers | 696 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the Minister said he was repeating the undertaking that was given. Was he confirming it?
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1479-80 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, my Lords.
The Bill provides for permanent leave of absence, including by means of failure to a...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1478-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have received various communications on the Bill. The noble Lord may be referring to a L...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1477-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I realise that there is a high risk attached to making that point.
I turn now to the ques...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 696 c1478 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, has the Minister ever heard of a parliamentary Labour group with members who left a missiv...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1477 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, that is a helpful point, but the wording I have used comes from the Bill in relation to th...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1475-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, first, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Steel, on securing a remarkably early slot for ...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 696 c1477 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, has my noble friend noticed that the political parties would certainly want to achieve int...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I stand corrected.
The noble Lord, Lord James of Blackheath, asked where the tripwire was...
Lord Selsdon | 696 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I would like to correct the Minister a little. If he looks in the Companion, he will find ...
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath | 696 c1479 (Link to this contribution)
He certainly looks to be in his 40s. I am sure that we wish them all long life. The noble Earl, Lord...
Lord Richard | 696 c1426-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I know that the noble Lord used the word ““incrementalism””, but that does not destroy the...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 696 c1426 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, does my noble friend not recall that I used the word ““incrementalism””?
Baroness Boothroyd | 696 c1428-30 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I welcome this revised Bill so ably moved by its sponsor, the noble Lord, Lord Steel, and ...
Earl Ferrers | 696 c1427-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am delighted to follow the noble Lord, Lord Richard, because I had feared that I might b...
Lord Strabolgi | 696 c1431-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sure that we are grateful to the noble Lord, Lord Steel, for introducing the Bill. In...
Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay | 696 c1430-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I hope that my speech will not be considered in the light of the very diplomatic phrase of...
Lord Bilimoria | 696 c1433-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, above our heads are the statues of our founding fathers—men who emerged from the dark ages...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 696 c1432-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have long been a supporter of a part-elected, part-appointed House. That dates back to w...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 696 c1415-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that this Bill be now read a second time.
Before I speak to the Bill, perha...
Lord Grocott | 696 c1415 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have it in command from Her Majesty the Queen to acquaint the House that Her Majesty, ha...
Lord Tyler | 696 c1424-5 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, my noble friend Lord Steel has already referred to the unfortunate coincidence that it is ...
Lord Howe of Aberavon | 696 c1421-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the striking feature about the work of the so-called ““cross-party”” group has from the ou...
Lord Lea of Crondall | 696 c1419-21 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, on behalf of the other members of the Bill team, the noble Baroness, Lady Shephard, the no...
Lord Richard | 696 c1425 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I have listened to the noble Lord, Lord Steel, for some 40-odd years in different assembli...
Lord Lucas | 696 c1453-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord, Lord Richard, was wrong to say that if we pass this Bill we shall be spitt...
Lord Cobbold | 696 c1452-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, like other noble Lords, I congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Steel, on the promotion of thi...
Lord Lucas | 696 c1454 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am sorry if I accused it of dishonour. I feel strongly that our views in this House have...
Lord Trefgarne | 696 c1454 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, to accuse the Front Bench of dishonour is not in order.
Lord Parekh | 696 c1450-2 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, pending general consensus on the composition of the House and whether it should be 80 per ...
Lord Jenkin of Roding | 696 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, unlike my usual habit, I did not come to the House prepared with any particular speech bec...
Earl Ferrers | 696 c1456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the noble Lord is perfectly correct. But that was my ancestor, not me.
Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate | 696 c1454-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I start by saying that it is a pleasure to follow the noble Lord, Lord Lucas, who is a goo...
Lord Mackenzie of Framwellgate | 696 c1456 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I agree, and I am delighted that it was not the noble Earl. It is another way of excluding...
Viscount Astor | 696 c1441-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I remain here to be the grit in the oyster for reform, not just to ensure that change come...
Lord Campbell of Alloway | 696 c1439-40 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a privilege to follow the noble Lady and I agree with everything that she said. It s...
Lady Saltoun of Abernethy | 696 c1438-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, in 1999 we were promised that a full and final reform of this House would eventually happe...
Lord Bradshaw | 696 c1437-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am rather regretful about following that speech, which I feel hankers back to the old da...
Lord Trefgarne | 696 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am not in favour of the Bill, and I hope that your Lordships will allow me a few moments...
Baroness Thornton | 696 c1434-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, while I of course congratulate the noble Lord, Lord Steel, on the introduction of this Bil...
Earl of Sandwich | 696 c1446-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, when they launched the White Paper in February, I was impressed by the Government’s determ...
Lord MacGregor of Pulham Market | 696 c1444-6 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I am glad to follow the noble Lord because I agree with everything he said. In advance of ...
Lord Howarth of Newport | 696 c1443-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, with constitutional reform it is a reliable maxim that the best is the enemy of the good. ...
Lord Steel of Aikwood | 696 c1483 (Link to this contribution)
Fine, my Lords, but the point that I am making is that my Bill ought to be welcomed by the hereditar...
Lord Richard | 696 c1427 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I will be brief and I will get on quicker if my noble friend Lord Lea is quiet and stops w...
Baroness Whitaker | 696 c1440-1 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, the second version of the Bill of the noble Lord, Lord Steel, would implement some essenti...
Lord Lipsey | 696 c1448-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I crave the indulgence of the House for my voice, which at least means that I will be brie...
Lord Higgins | 696 c1447-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it is a pleasure to follow the noble Earl. We are indeed fortunate to have him here and to...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 696 c1468-9 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, it has often been said that everything that can be said has been said, but not by everybod...
Lord Baker of Dorking | 696 c1473-4 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I appreciate that my noble friend is struggling with his conscience and is about to lose t...
Baroness D'Souza | 696 c1422-3 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I begin by thanking the noble Lord, Lord Steel, and all those who have so carefully nurtur...
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