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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Wednesday, 11 July 2007, in the House of Lords.
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Lords Committee stage third day. Part 1 of 2 records.

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693 c1423-58 

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2006-07

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Department for Communities and Local Government

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Committee stage

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New clauses

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House of Lords chamber

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Proceeding contributions

Lord Greaves | 693 c1448 (Link to this contribution) The more I listen to the Minister—and I do not blame her personally—the more I think the Government ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1446-8 (Link to this contribution) Again, I am grateful to my noble friend for introducing another range of political realities. He is ...

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Lord Greaves | 693 c1448-9 (Link to this contribution) I listened carefully to the Minister when she said that councils could put this in their constitutio...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1448 (Link to this contribution) In those circumstances, the leader can be removed by the council by a vote of no confidence.
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1450 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 186: 186: Clause 72, page 48, line 12, at end insert— ““(za) as to the dates o...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1450 (Link to this contribution) I thank the noble Baroness and I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdraw...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1449-50 (Link to this contribution) Amendment No. 183 would remove new Section 44F which provides for the executive leader of a council ...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1449 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 183: 183: Clause 72, page 47, line 37, leave out from beginning to end of line...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1450 (Link to this contribution) I believe that the same thing would apply.
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1453-4 (Link to this contribution) I was interested to note the noble Baroness’s choice of heading for the proposed new clause: ““Exemp...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1453 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 194A: 194A: Before Clause 77, insert the following new Clause— ““CHAPTER A1 Ex...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1451-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 191 to 193: 191: After Clause 74, insert the following new Clause— ““Larger ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1450-1 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 188 to 190: 188: Clause 73, page 48, line 18, at end insert— ““(A1) Section ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1450 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 187: 187: After Clause 72, insert the following new Clause— ““Power to make in...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1455 (Link to this contribution) There are many answers to that. The rugby union football club has always been called Calne and Nelso...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 693 c1455 (Link to this contribution) Before the noble Lord sits down, did he say ““Calne and Nelson””? I thought it was always Nelson and...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1454-5 (Link to this contribution) I am going to join the ganging-up. I apologise to the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, and welcome the n...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 693 c1454 (Link to this contribution) It is a puzzle as to why the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, should move the amendment. She knows Londo...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1454 (Link to this contribution) I support my noble friend. I should point out to the noble Baroness, Lady Hanham, that there may be ...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1436 (Link to this contribution) This has raised an interesting aspect of the Bill. We have been picking away at the question of elec...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1436 (Link to this contribution) Whether or not Amendment No. 165 is agreed, if there is a vacancy in the executive and there has to ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1437-8 (Link to this contribution) I have a terrible sense of déjà vu because we addressed some of these issues in some detail last nig...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1436-7 (Link to this contribution) I have given notice of my intention to oppose the Question that Clause 70 stand part of the Bill bec...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1438-9 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether political manipulation is the correct phrase. As I understand it, if a council...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1438 (Link to this contribution) Will the noble Baroness consider the fact that under those circumstances it would be entirely possib...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1440 (Link to this contribution) I briefly point out to the noble Lord and to the Committee that the four Liberal Democrat Members on...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 693 c1439-40 (Link to this contribution) As the Committee knows, I have sat through most of these debates. It strikes me that noble Lords, es...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1440-1 (Link to this contribution) I am slightly surprised by the intervention by the noble Lord, Lord Graham, who suggested that we ar...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1440 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the support of my noble friend, but I respect the reasons why noble Lords are rais...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1441-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 166: 166: Clause 67, page 42, line 21, leave out from beginning to end of line...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1441 (Link to this contribution) I am now trying to get my mind around what will happened during that six months. Presumably, if the ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1441 (Link to this contribution) The six-month rule will apply; the noble Lord is quite right.
Lord Greaves | 693 c1442-3 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw the amendment. Amendment, by leave, withdrawn. Clause 67 agreed to. Claus...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1442 (Link to this contribution) Indeed, but I know that I really am in the company of experts on the Bill. I cannot accept the amend...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1442 (Link to this contribution) I simply cannot wait to engage with the noble Lord, Lord Greaves. I do not want to reiterate anythin...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 693 c1445-6 (Link to this contribution) The word for which the noble Lord, Lord Greaves, was searching to describe what happens in groups on...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1445 (Link to this contribution) I support the amendments and the points made by my noble friend Lord Greaves on councils in no overa...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1443-5 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 173: 173: Clause 72, page 46, line 7, leave out ““, on the day of a post-elect...
Baroness Crawley | 693 c1455-6 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted to enter the debate at this point in the Bill and to reply to the amendment of the no...
Baroness Crawley | 693 c1456-7 (Link to this contribution) Yes. There is a commonality in the issues that face people who live in urban areas across the countr...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1457 (Link to this contribution) There is not a great deal of support around the Committee for the amendment and I get the feeling th...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1457-8 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume and, in so doing, that the Committee does not start again...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1431 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 139: 139: Clause 64, page 37, line 8, leave out from ““(England):”” to end of ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1431-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 141 to 143: 141: Clause 64, page 37, line 13, at end insert— ““(5) For the p...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1431 (Link to this contribution) I beg leave to withdraw Amendment No. 138A. Amendment No. 138A, as an amendment to Amendment No. 13...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1431 (Link to this contribution) My noble friend Lady Hamwee and I were left in no doubt as to the position regarding amending the am...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1431 (Link to this contribution) I confirm my understanding. I have to move the government amendments and the Bill is then amended an...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1430 (Link to this contribution) I, too, would like to be clear about the matter before we move on from these amendments. I raised co...
Lord Roper | 693 c1430-1 (Link to this contribution) I wonder whether there has possibly been some misunderstanding about our procedure. I understand tha...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1432 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 144: 144: Clause 64, page 38, line 1, leave out from beginning to end of line ...
Viscount Ullswater | 693 c1432 (Link to this contribution) I must advise the Committee that if Amendment No. 144 is agreed to I will be unable to call Amendmen...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1434 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 160 and 161: 160: Clause 65, page 41, line 17, leave out ““as follows”” and ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1434 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 163: 163: Clause 65, page 41, line 26, at end insert— ““(4) In subsection (3) ...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1434-6 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 164: 164: Clause 67, page 42, leave out lines 18 and 19 The noble Lord said: ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1436 (Link to this contribution) I am advised that the noble Lord has to speak to Amendment No. 166 separately.
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1432 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 147: 147: Clause 64, page 38, line 12, leave out from ““arrangements”” to end ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1433 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 148 and 149: 148: Clause 64, page 38, line 22, at end insert— ““(3A) Any suc...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1433 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendments Nos. 150 and 151: 150: Clause 64, page 39, leave out lines 4 to 9 and insert— ““(...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1433-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 157: 157: Clause 64, page 39, line 28, leave out from beginning to end of line...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1432 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 146: 146: Clause 64, page 38, leave out line 11 and insert ““Changes subject t...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1436 (Link to this contribution) I shall do that. I have the right to group the amendments if I wish to do so, but if the Minister do...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1428-9 (Link to this contribution) I was not going to intervene, but when the noble Lord, Lord Graham, gets to his feet he always rouse...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1429 (Link to this contribution) We are in some difficulty on these Benches for the reasons outlined by my noble friend Lady Hamwee. ...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1429 (Link to this contribution) Perhaps I may seek clarification. If the Government amend the Bill today, presumably the Bill will b...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1429 (Link to this contribution) My understanding is that, when the Bill as amended by the Government goes back to the other place, i...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1430 (Link to this contribution) But the Bill is not going back to the other place; it is coming back here on Report.
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1430 (Link to this contribution) Yes, indeed, and the changes, having been made, cannot be unmade.
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1430 (Link to this contribution) I gave as full and clear an explanation as I could and offered to ensure that noble Lords had that i...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1430 (Link to this contribution) This is extremely unsatisfactory. The Minister rightly said that this is a very complicated matter. ...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1430 (Link to this contribution) I am sure that this happens all the time and there must be some clarification. It may be that the Mi...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 693 c1428 (Link to this contribution) My two pennyworth on this is that until 1975, when we had the referendum on a massive issue, I took ...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1427-8 (Link to this contribution) I confess to having got lost on the bit about London. Can the noble Baroness explain where in the am...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1427 (Link to this contribution) moved, as an amendment to Amendment No. 138, Amendment No. 138A: 138A: Clause 64, line 2, leave ou...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1423-7 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 138: 138: Clause 64, page 36, line 11, at end insert— ““(4A) The proposals may...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1423 (Link to this contribution) My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill. Mov...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1431 (Link to this contribution) The point that I was going to make when I spoke before was that it is an interesting situation, but ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1429 (Link to this contribution) It is wonderful to have my noble friend behind me. Sometimes I think that I am redundant, as he is a...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1450 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for that response. Would it also apply if the leader’s term of office comes to an end ...

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Greater London
Exemptions
Local government
Referendums
Parish and town councils
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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill 2006-07

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