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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill

Committee of the Whole House (HL) and Debate on bills on Tuesday, 10 July 2007, in the House of Lords.
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Part 3 of 3 records.

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693 c1362-82 

Session

2006-07

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Department for Communities and Local Government

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Committee stage

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House of Lords chamber

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Proceeding contributions

Baroness Andrews | 693 c1382 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 136: 136: Clause 64, page 35, line 41, leave out from ““arrangements”” to end ...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1382 (Link to this contribution) We at least owe it to the Minister to thank her for explaining that, rather than ““Changing governan...

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Baroness Crawley | 693 c1382 (Link to this contribution) I beg to move that the House do now resume. Moved accordingly, and, on Question, Motion agreed to.
Baroness Pitkeathley | 693 c1382 (Link to this contribution) As Amendment No. 136 has been agreed to, I cannot call Amendment No. 137 for reasons of pre-emption....
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1380-2 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 129: 129: Clause 64, page 35, leave out lines 16 to 31 and insert— ““33C Alter...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1378 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 128: 128: Clause 64, page 35, leave out lines 4 to 10 The noble Lord said: Th...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1378-9 (Link to this contribution) My Amendments Nos. 128B and 153 would achieve the same ends as those tabled by my noble friend Lord ...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1376 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 127: 127: Clause 64, page 35, line 3, at end insert— ““33ZA Changing governanc...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1376-7 (Link to this contribution) My Amendment No. 128A would do exactly the same as the amendment tabled by the noble Baroness, Lady ...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1377 (Link to this contribution) I have three amendments in this group, but I am happy not to pursue them and to support the proposal...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1377-8 (Link to this contribution) There is a temptation, which I shall certainly resist, of having the debate we had when we opened th...
Baroness Pitkeathley | 693 c1380 (Link to this contribution) I must point out to the Committee that if this amendment is agreed to I shall not be able to call Am...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1380 (Link to this contribution) I cannot say that I understood all of that at the first go, so I shall read it carefully in Hansard....
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1372 (Link to this contribution) I am delighted that the noble Lord is so supportive of our attempt to create unitaries. I am so sorr...
Lord Tyler | 693 c1371-2 (Link to this contribution) I warmly support my noble friend. My local county council in Cornwall is currently engaged—successfu...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1371 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 118: 118: Clause 62, page 33, line 39, after ““(8)”” insert ““— (a)”” The nob...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1375 (Link to this contribution) I am not sure whether it is one cheer or two, but it is not three. Any cheers are welcome at this ti...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1374-5 (Link to this contribution) I can give the noble Lord a positive answer on Amendment No. 123A, which aims to ensure that the ame...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1373-4 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 123A: 123A: Clause 63, page 34, line 20, at end insert— ““(1A) Nothing in subs...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1372-3 (Link to this contribution) I am disappointed by that. It is horses for courses. What will work well in one area might be quite ...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1370-1 (Link to this contribution) Rather as my noble friend Lady Scott said, I am slightly hesitant in making a point about reducing c...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1371 (Link to this contribution) I can explain it a little more clearly now. We are obviously content that a council that wishes to m...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1369 (Link to this contribution) This has been an extremely useful discussion. I am not sure that the Minister wanted it to go on qui...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1369-70 (Link to this contribution) Our Amendment No. 159C is grouped with Amendment No. 116 and has exactly the same effect. I hope tha...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1369 (Link to this contribution) moved Amendment No. 116: 116: Clause 62, page 33, line 37, leave out subsection (8) and insert— ““...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1368-9 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry to come in again but I think it is useful to keep clearing these issues out of the way, e...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1369 (Link to this contribution) Do the executive have the powers to make the plan, rather than it being a matter for the whole counc...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1369 (Link to this contribution) As I understand it, that is correct. Did the noble Baroness ask another question?
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1370 (Link to this contribution) Amendments Nos. 116 and 159C would amend the Local Government Act 2000 and remove the Secretary of S...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1367-8 (Link to this contribution) That was the most encouraging thing that I have heard in the past two or three hours: the Minister s...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1366 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord asked an important question for which my answer is simple, because it is consistent w...
Lord Tyler | 693 c1366 (Link to this contribution) I apologise to the noble Baroness and to the Committee—I followed the earlier debate, but maybe my p...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1366 (Link to this contribution) The noble Lord and I are at one in thinking that this has to be about better services and better way...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1365-6 (Link to this contribution) I understand that very well, but it does not seem very sensible. Single-member wards might end up no...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1365 (Link to this contribution) Absolutely, but this is modelled on the elected mayor. There are so many parallels of a DEE with an ...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1365 (Link to this contribution) There may be two-thirds if there is an elected mayor. If there is a normal executive and Cabinet ope...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1365 (Link to this contribution) It is modelled on the elected mayor.
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1367 (Link to this contribution) We have brought in four-year terms, not just for this model but for others as well, to introduce som...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1366-7 (Link to this contribution) I am sorry; I must pick that up. The people elect the executive for four years, and do not like what...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1364 (Link to this contribution) The noble Baroness is right that the executive could be of a different party from the council compos...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1364-5 (Link to this contribution) It is interesting to imagine how such a council might work. The Minister is eloquent in describing i...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1364 (Link to this contribution) It is novel in our experience in the UK. However, there are examples from Switzerland and Portugal, ...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1364 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister delve a little more deeply into what the other members of the elected council will...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1363 (Link to this contribution) It came from the elected members. That puts a little more substance around what I can see noble Lord...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1363-4 (Link to this contribution) We are grateful for that and will have a good read of it. We will come later to parts of the Bill th...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1362-3 (Link to this contribution) I am grateful for the opportunity to resume the debate on the amendment. It was a good idea to break...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1363 (Link to this contribution) Will the Minister say where from Stockton this letter came? Was it generated by the elected members ...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1368 (Link to this contribution) I will reply very briefly. On by-elections and ward councillors, if this model is adopted, people wi...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1365 (Link to this contribution) The budget process will be the same as now; the council as a whole will still have charge of it. If ...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1378 (Link to this contribution) I thank the Minister for that not totally unexpected reply. This group of amendments brings us almos...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1379-80 (Link to this contribution) This group of amendments makes amendments to Clauses 62 and 64 which deal with local authorities cha...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1371 (Link to this contribution) The Minister puts her finger on what alarms me about the situation. I am less alarmed that the provi...

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Electoral systems
Local government
Local government executive

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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill 2006-07

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