Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Lords Committee stage second day. Part 1 of 3 records.
Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill
Committee of the Whole House (HL)
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Debate on bills on Tuesday, 10 July 2007,
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Local Government and Public Involvement in Health Bill. Brought from the Commons. Explanatory Notes HL Bill 74-EN also published.
Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Wednesday, 23 May 2007
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Proceeding contributions
Lord Greaves | 693 c1305-6 (Link to this contribution)
I endorse the comments made by my noble friend. Electoral law used to be almost set in stone and did...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1305 (Link to this contribution)
It is a great pity if the Government have not consulted those who actually set up the practical arra...
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Baroness Andrews | 693 c1306-7 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 109 and 110:
109: Clause 60, page 32, leave out lines 12 and 13 and insert—
...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1306 (Link to this contribution)
I see that the Minister is still not tempted. I shall continue trying to tempt her on this matter. M...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1306 (Link to this contribution)
Before my noble friend does that, I think that the Minister might have something to say.
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1306 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 106:
106: Clause 60, page 31, line 28, leave out ““or bodies””
On Question, a...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1306 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 104:
104: Clause 60, page 31, leave out lines 23 and 24 and insert—
““(3) An o...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1298-9 (Link to this contribution)
I hope that I can help the Committee by briefly explaining what Clause 59 does. It allows a local au...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1302 (Link to this contribution)
Amendment No. 105 seeks to address the same issue, namely the proposed power for the Secretary of St...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1301-2 (Link to this contribution)
I have Amendments Nos. 103 and 108 in this group, which probably pre-date what the Government are go...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1300-1 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 101A:
101A: Clause 60, page 31, line 5, after ““Wales),”” insert—
““(a) in sub...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1299-300 (Link to this contribution)
The debate provoked more involvement than I expected, but I am glad of that. The noble Lord, Lord Gr...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1305 (Link to this contribution)
Before my noble friend responds, perhaps I may ask whether the Government have consulted the Associa...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1303-5 (Link to this contribution)
We fully accept the points on the administrative burden of organising elections and the need for pro...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1303 (Link to this contribution)
We might find that we are talking about three sets of elections: European, local and even more local...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 693 c1302-3 (Link to this contribution)
I have been waiting for someone to refer to the Scottish experience earlier this year, when an attem...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1305 (Link to this contribution)
To date, I cannot say that we have. If I am wrong, I will remit to the noble Baroness.
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1298 (Link to this contribution)
This is getting more exciting as each moment passes. Who will be at this meeting? Where will it be h...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1297-8 (Link to this contribution)
Until the amendments were moved, I was happily thinking that the clause would do but, having listene...
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 693 c1298 (Link to this contribution)
My experience is such that I cannot believe that a council faced with some evidence to bring about c...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1296 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 100:
100: Clause 59, page 30, line 12, at end insert—
““( ) The meeting requir...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1295 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that. The Minister’s reply to me, if not to my noble friend, was almost exactly wh...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1295-6 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 98:
98: Clause 57, page 29, line 31, at end insert—
““( ) In section 15 (proce...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1287-8 (Link to this contribution)
My Amendments Nos. 89 and 90 are rather more modest in ambition than my noble friend’s, but they cov...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1287 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 88:
88: Clause 53, page 26, line 25, leave out subsection (3)
The noble Baron...
Baroness Andrews | 693 c1286-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Lords, I beg to move that the House do now again resolve itself into Committee on this Bill.
Mov...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1295 (Link to this contribution)
Parliamentary draftsmen obviously felt that it was reasonable to include that, but I will check and ...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1295 (Link to this contribution)
I do not think that my noble friend was being frivolous either in tabling the amendment or in asking...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1295 (Link to this contribution)
Before the noble Baroness sits down, let me say that I agree with her. That is why I would like to g...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1292 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendments Nos. 93 and 94:
93: Clause 56, page 29, line 6, leave out from ““that”” to end of...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1291-2 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful for that short debate, which has been a useful run through the issues. I beg leave to ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1293-4 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Lord for his amendment and hope that I can give him further information to help hi...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1294-5 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 97:
97: Clause 57, page 29, line 29, after ““may”” insert ““reasonably””
The ...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1294 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for her reply. I am pleased about one thing in it, which is that my readi...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1295 (Link to this contribution)
If the Boundary Committee has a general obligation to be reasonable, why is the word ““reasonable”” ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1295 (Link to this contribution)
I, too, hope to be reasonably short on this one. We do not believe that this amendment is necessary,...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1291 (Link to this contribution)
Yes, I agree with the noble Baroness.
Lord Graham of Edmonton | 693 c1291 (Link to this contribution)
At lunchtime today, the noble Lord, Lord Jenkin, and I attended the annual meeting of London Council...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1291 (Link to this contribution)
The question is perhaps easier than the Minister thinks. If it is recommended after the review that ...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1289 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness for that intervention. I was trying to think of one of the most extreme e...
Baroness Scott of Needham Market | 693 c1289 (Link to this contribution)
Why do the Government think that a parish council is potentially too politically charged to choose i...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1288 (Link to this contribution)
I congratulate the noble Baroness, Lady Hamwee, on speaking through quite a challenging moment. I am...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1291 (Link to this contribution)
I need to make clear that the principal concern here is determining whether a review of the electora...
Baroness Hanham | 693 c1291 (Link to this contribution)
My understanding is that an election would take place under the normal system—two or three-member wa...
Baroness Morgan of Drefelin | 693 c1290-1 (Link to this contribution)
I will seek to convince the Committee that these amendments are not needed and that the clause shoul...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1289-90 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 91:
91: Clause 55, page 28, line 4, at end insert—
““( ) A county council in a...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1296-7 (Link to this contribution)
My Amendment No. 101 pursues some of the issues mentioned by my noble friend. Ward and division name...
Lord Greaves | 693 c1292 (Link to this contribution)
moved Amendment No. 95:
95: Clause 56, page 29, line 20, leave out ““divisible by”” and insert ““1...
Baroness Hamwee | 693 c1289 (Link to this contribution)
I thank the noble Baroness. The answer to my amendment seems to be that that is what we do now. I do...
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