Draft SI on Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25). Motion to approve. Agreed to on question.
Prevention and Suppression of Terrorism
Legislative debate on Tuesday, 10 July 2007,
in the House of Commons,
led by Tony McNulty.
The answering
member was Dominic Grieve.
About these Parliamentary proceedings
Reference
462 c1346-68 Session
2006-07Chamber / Committee
House of Commons chamberRelated items
Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25) Order 2007
Monday, 11 June 2007
Statutory instruments
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House of Commons
Monday, 11 June 2007
Statutory instruments
House of Lords
House of Commons
Proceeding contributions
Dominic Grieve | 462 c1352 (Link to this contribution)
I am afraid that I find myself constrained to disagree with my hon. Friend on both counts. On the fi...
John Bercow | 462 c1352-3 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend has rightly emphasised how unprecedented and extraordinary the 28-day provision is. I...
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Dominic Grieve | 462 c1353-4 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend makes a good point and, indeed, I had a list of questions that I was going to ask the...
William Cash | 462 c1349 (Link to this contribution)
As the Minister knows, for many years I have been strongly in favour of an extension beyond 28 days ...
David Heath | 462 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
Perhaps we can dispose of one of the arguments that I have heard adduced by people outside the House...
Nick Clegg | 462 c1350 (Link to this contribution)
They would have to be arrested first.
Tony McNulty | 462 c1350-1 (Link to this contribution)
My answer to the hon. Member for Somerton and Frome (Mr. Heath) would have to be ““Maybe.”” I do not...
Dominic Grieve | 462 c1351-2 (Link to this contribution)
I welcome the way in which the Minister has presented his arguments to the House this afternoon. I t...
William Cash | 462 c1352 (Link to this contribution)
Does my hon. Friend accept that at least two former Attorney-Generals and the reviewer, Lord Carlile...
John Bercow | 462 c1356 (Link to this contribution)
That will not do.
Dominic Grieve | 462 c1356 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend says it clearly—that will not do, and it will not do under any circumstances whatever...
Chris Bryant | 462 c1355 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes a fair point. Does it not also apply to cases of extradition? Often, the Br...
Dominic Grieve | 462 c1355 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman may be making a good point about extradition. I have not focused on it especially...
Viscount Hailsham | 462 c1354 (Link to this contribution)
When a person is held for a long time, he may decline to answer questions through, for example, fati...
Dominic Grieve | 462 c1354-5 (Link to this contribution)
My right hon. and learned Friend makes an important point. Given that the PACE rules are clearly lin...
Nick Clegg | 462 c1355 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman makes an important observation. However, I wonder whether he is being too pessimi...
Dominic Grieve | 462 c1355-6 (Link to this contribution)
The hon. Gentleman knows that I am a rather firm defender of the jury system, and I happen to believ...
Dominic Grieve | 462 c1355 (Link to this contribution)
I do not believe that extradition would take place anyway in the case about which he is thinking, so...
David Winnick | 462 c1356-7 (Link to this contribution)
I am obviously in favour of the order and of keeping the period of detention without charge as it is...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
I will defer to the Conservative Front-Bench spokesman in the first instance, but I will certainly a...
Viscount Hailsham | 462 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
The Minister says that he will consult on 28 days. Does he actually mean that he will propose a 90-d...
Chris Bryant | 462 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
Will one of the options that the Minister presents allow the results of interrogation after charge t...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
The strict response to my hon. Friend’s question is no in the context of the consultation on 28 days...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
I beg to move,"That the draft Terrorism Act 2006 (Disapplication of Section 25) Order 2007, which wa...
John Bercow | 462 c1348-9 (Link to this contribution)
On pre-trial detention without charge, my objection has never been to the motives of Ministers, but ...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1349 (Link to this contribution)
I am not one either, so that is at least something I share with the hon. Gentleman. He makes a fair ...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 462 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
The difficulty that we face in the House is that, in a free society, if we agree to changes in the l...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
I absolutely accept my hon. Friend’s point and not least her argument that we need to look far beyon...
Patrick Mercer | 462 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
Will the Minister confirm that the current 28-day period is likely to be extant until such time as f...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1348 (Link to this contribution)
On the hon. Gentleman’s latter point, I am not suggesting that. On his former point, I do not want t...
David Winnick | 462 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
The Home Affairs Committee unanimously found recently that there was no justification to extend the ...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
That is an accurate reflection of what has gone before in respect of the 14 and 28-day provisions an...
Dominic Grieve | 462 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
I am grateful to the Minister for his comments, because he will appreciate that these two issues hav...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1347 (Link to this contribution)
That is an entirely fair point, but I would go further and say that I take the legitimacy of the poi...
David Winnick | 462 c1359 (Link to this contribution)
I partly agree, but I believe that the terrorists do have a specific goal and they hardly disguise i...
Jeremy Browne | 462 c1358-9 (Link to this contribution)
Is there not a slight danger of drawing too precise a parallel with the IRA? After all, the IRA had ...
William Cash | 462 c1360 (Link to this contribution)
Like others, the hon. Gentleman calls for further evidence. The noble Lord Carlile said only a few d...
Nick Clegg | 462 c1359-60 (Link to this contribution)
We support the disapplication, if that is the word, of section 25 of the Terrorism Act 2006 and I ca...
David Winnick | 462 c1357-8 (Link to this contribution)
I would not disagree with the hon. Gentleman. At the end of it all, any extension beyond 28 days mus...
John Bercow | 462 c1357 (Link to this contribution)
I strongly agree with what the hon. Gentleman is saying now, but I think that he and everyone else w...
David Winnick | 462 c1358 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend is right. We avoided a backlash against the Irish during the 30 years of terror in wh...
Gwyneth Dunwoody | 462 c1358 (Link to this contribution)
Is it not to the credit of the British population that since the recent outrages we have seen such a...
Nick Clegg | 462 c1360-1 (Link to this contribution)
I am sorry, but I do not entirely understand the relevance of the noble Lord Carlile’s comments on c...
Andrew Dismore | 462 c1361 (Link to this contribution)
As chair of the Joint Committee on Human Rights, let me begin by complimenting my hon. Friend the Mi...
David Winnick | 462 c1361-2 (Link to this contribution)
My hon. Friend says we should bear in mind that we are discussing an extension of 14 days to 28, not...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1367-8 (Link to this contribution)
I commend the hon. Member for Wycombe (Mr. Goodman) on the work that he has done in Wycombe since th...
Lord Goodman of Wycombe | 462 c1367 (Link to this contribution)
I shall be brief and address myself directly to the public interest to which my hon. Friend the Memb...
William Cash | 462 c1366 (Link to this contribution)
We are short of time, so I shall deal briefly with the main points. The Government cannot get away w...
Viscount Hailsham | 462 c1365 (Link to this contribution)
I take it that that is a rebuke of me, but I am not trying to be self-interested. I am trying to say...
David Winnick | 462 c1365 (Link to this contribution)
I have often noted that those who are in favour of Privy Council discussions are themselves Privy Co...
Viscount Hailsham | 462 c1364-5 (Link to this contribution)
In view of the lateness of the hour and the fact that other Members wish to speak, I will be brief.
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Andrew Dismore | 462 c1362-4 (Link to this contribution)
I understand what my hon. Friend says, and I certainly would not vote against the 28-day extension, ...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1368 (Link to this contribution)
I would love to give way, but I think that we have run out of time. We have another dance to come. I...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1349-50 (Link to this contribution)
I am blessed to have such an ally. The hon. Gentleman’s points are well made and consistently made, ...
Tony McNulty | 462 c1346 (Link to this contribution)
No, with the greatest respect, I do not in the sense that I think it fair and reasonable to start fr...
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